[Closed] dog on bike trails - wtf!

Good use of caps, and I liked how you managed to insult someone's bike.

7/10.

If a dog bit me while I was riding it would get a kicking.

Good use of capitalisation, random expletives, shoddy sentence structure and spelling.

As rants go, this is slightly above average.

3/10

We were out riding with a dog tagging along last night. It was ace, and he never bothered anyone. But following a dog over a drop is a little odd.

I bet he didn't bother anyone being it last night I would presume you mean after dark, therefore not likely to be many riders out to annoy!

Thanks for rating me, good job its not my riding your scoring!

my old jack russell , breeze has done all the drops at herts shore. love her 🙂

random expletives

what are you, a school teacher? or did you google 'witty and intelligent responses to forum posts!''

mimi123 - Member

"I bet he didn't bother anyone being it last night I would presume you mean after dark, therefore not likely to be many riders out to annoy!"

Well there was us. Obviously.

ok so obviously I have missed something! animal cruelty issue here - must be fashionable to want to get your dog ------- by a hardtail on spooky wood!

Sits back and waits.

Well there was us. Obviously.

Obvioulsy!

Top Marks

 

I would imagine we have been here before with this topic, and there is about 20 folk about to defend the dogs on trails brigade!

Tell the owner to pay for new trousers?

I would not be impressed unless it was a friendly doggy whiich will get a pat.

Angry Doggy will get its head bashed in if it hurts me but generally just ignore it.

Keep a long trail pump with you OP 😉

Keep a long trail pump with you OP

I think dogs on mountain bike trails cheers the place up and to be fair it's probably faster round the course than you are.

to be honest if you're that phased by a dog you're probably a cr*p rider anyway

Most dogs are fine but there is always one dumb owner or dog gets spooked.

Unless by law or owner says no dogs on this land you can't stop them but just keep riding and don't look at the dog or owner or that will spook the mutt.

Most dogs have been friendly a credit to the owner and breed.

Oh and you can buy anti dog sirens which they can hear only - ultra sound. Drives them bonkers - only to ward them away and not a toy!

I don't expect dogs on trails but if the owner has it trained it shouldn't be a prob but owners should pay out if the dog causes an accident and damages your bike.

A dog jumped from nowhere on a trail and it was pretty big to knock me off. The owner apologised but I was having none of it as I testing my new frame that was dented.

It cost her £1400 to get me a new frame. Good dog lol But that was yrs ago and never had a problem since.

Anyway- I rode 25km with my pooch last Sunday in Mid Wales. She was one of three dogs tagging along. She stays close to my back wheel unless called forwards, does't worry livestock, keeps up on the uphills, is wicked on the downs. She gets a bit worried on the river crossings but with gentle cajoling will cross and then gets heaps of praise. If she gets in the way of a wheel she soon learns that it hurts- and it only has happened twice. She always returns when I let her roam and then call her to heel. She is my riding buddy and is great. Riding solo with the mutt is a really good experience. Dogs are not called 'Man's Best Friend' for now't.

If the dog is misbehaving it is the owner's fault. Take it up with the owner, the dog is an extension of them.

Nice one Ambrose. I wish all dog owners were like you!

I think that most MTB riders with dogs are like this. All the ones I know are. It amazes me that there are rider/owners who are not this way, but hey ho I'm an innocent abroad I suppose.

I NEVER take my dog to trail centres as even though he is awesome and never gets in the way, he one day could! natural trails and bridleways etc i always take him though as he is a brilliant training partner and a cool dude 🙂

It's OK - the Mods will be along to close this thread in a minute. Criticising dogs is one of STW's no-no's.

Had the 'pleasure' of riding Cannock recently with some moron and his Jack Russell. Totally out of control running ahead of him as I guess it just hears a bike and thinks its the owner. Said Owner then whistles and the pooch stops dead in the trail...I have nothing against dogs (much) but this owner was a tool. Sunday at Cannock - not very bright!

Its all about the dog being properly trained.

a properly trazined dog is no hassle to anyone and is therefore no problem on the trailes, a badly trained dog has no place on the trails.

I am no fan of dogs but I have seen a couple of dogs at trail centres that were no hassle to anyone and therefore fine to be there

My dog prefers Mabie than Glentress as he doesnt like wearing body armour in order to go out and have fun.

I take my dog round Woburn with me. As its where the dog would be walked any way I don't see a problem.

Isn't this the equivalant of walkers ranting about the odd cockend rider who doesn't slow down..

What percentage of your rides are ruined by dogs?

Get over it, live and let live...

I have a very well behaved Border Collie, who has done lots of quiet UK trail centres. As he's not fast enough downhill i won't take him when its gonna be busy.

dogs that get in the way on trail centres should be forced to listen to the beatles... that'll teach em!

i had an interesting encounter with 2 riders and their dogs at carron valley a while ago,was on the runway and got to near the bottom and just as im about to go off the jump after the bottom berm this big dog is just standing right in the middle of the track,luckily it moved as id have split the thing in 2,the bawbag owners just stood there looking as if "whats the problem"dogs arent a problem if the owners actually have some brains and common sense.these 2 halfwits were f****** about at the craziest of places ie corners or bottom of blind jumps.think next time i'll just "TOE THEIR LINK"(good kick in the balls).............

I'm not going to read all the posts just put my opinion in. Dogs at trail centres can be fine if its a quiet day. Because the risk is reduced. But on a weekend its massively irresponsible. The whole reason for these trail centres is to segregate user groups to avoid conflict. Bringing a dog along creates user conflict and in some cases can be dangerous.

I too went to Glentress a couple of weeks ago and every day i rode there (i was there 6 days) there were dogs on the trail. All of them created issues to a greater or lesser degree. What happens if someone ploughs into these dogs? who is going to be responsible? Mountain Bikers already have a fragile relationship with countryside access, creating conflicts like this does us no favours.

Still training mine to be a good trail dog. Solo rides in out of the way places for him until he's got it right. This may never happen as he can be a little dumb!

Another dog thread! WTF?

+1 Neil853.

Coming from a devoted owner of 2 dogs that is saying something. I'd love to take my younger lab round the trails, but taking to Glentress of a weekend is asking for some knob end stormtrooper to run him over.

Went biking with my mate and his dog a few weeks ago at Glentress - at night mind you so no-one around really. Must say the dog was super well behaved and only once came near my wheels, but I was concious of it the whole time - I mean if I squashed his beloved spaniel he'd never forgive me.

On the hill - OK. Trail centre - no IMO.

It's a fairly common sight to see dogs running alongside their MTB riding owners at Cannock, some of the dogs are super rad gnarly sick too! 8)

In fact, I believe the original trail known as 'follow the dog' was so named because one of the trail builders would bring his pet jack russel along and this dog often picked out some great lines while they were course plotting whenever he was running on up ahead. 😉

Dog mess isn't a pleasant business and it is a shame that owners often suddenly seem to shirk that same responsibility they have on the streets but do try to remember that trail centres are places you WILL encounter plenty of other people, it's up to you to navigate round them whether it's a slow rider that just starting out or a dog taking a leak.

Besides, life's way too short to worry about such trivia. 8)

it's up to you to navigate round them whether it's a slow rider that just starting out or a dog taking a leak

fair comment, but it is the sudden high speed randomness of dogs stopping/starting/coming out of the bushes/chasing squirrels that makes them that much harder to predict and avoid. Of course some dogs are perfectly trained to maintain a constant 50cm gap to their master's rear wheel, but most aren't from what I've seen.

trivia

The last time some one brought there dog out with us it kept running just by my pedals or just in front of me. At one point the thing went under me between the wheels. Eventually I ran over it's neck. I love dogs but leave the bloody things at home. It's ****g dangerous. At trail centres any way. Natural rides is different. Some idiot took one to cannock on a busy weekend. It just pisses every one off. No one is impressed that your dog can run around a trail ffs !

My dog has no nose...

Bourbons or Hob Nobs anyone?

How does it smell?

awful!

i personally have a lab, but i wouldnt take it either out.

i think you can have a dog all well behaved etc, only needs one time to get spooked infront of another bike( if its your bike or you then not exactly a big deal. its your own fault) then the rider crashes i then think it takes the piss.

i was riding last month and dog ran accross the dh trail. i went over, not hurt or nothing but took a knock to the knee. the owner came over and apologised but i said its hardly acceptable. i was pissed with him and he went with the dog like i was wrong. lol

anyways dogs are what people make of them. i think dogs shouldnt be near a dangerous enviroment where people are speeding about on bikes. should be taken to places like i do to parks

I think you should be allowed to kill them at the trail centre then spit roast them using your seatpost and your super all powerful new night light as a heat source. If the owner says anything to you just wee on their shoes dog stylee

Mimi123, do you pee by the side of the trail when caught short whilst out at a trail centre?

I wager you do.

STOP USING THE TRAIL CENTRE AS A TOILET.

I'll take my dog there if i want, it's not illegal.

Junkyard i've tried... even with a Trout LL on boost, using an endurance battery its only enough to safely cook the thinner parts of a dog...

may i suggest that people who are fed up with dogs at trail centers take along some slightly more exotic pets riding with them

i find a bear or crocodile work well, but often take a wrong line choice and if on a lead, will wrap you around a tree.

Theres the issue of another rider not knowing if the dog is a good or bad one, and its not really fair worrying another riderike that.
However fellow dog owners seem to know the score and I'd probably be fine if the dog was clearly under control. Also some people are petrified of dogs and quite reasonably wouldn't expect to encounter one at a trail centre.

I'll take my dog there if i want, it's not illegal

I used to take my dog riding because he loves it so much, now I just do it in the hope I'll bump into someone from here who's not already started or indeed participated in a (seemingly weekly) 'Dogs on trails' thread. 😈

This is just another justification for "all mountain" trail centre riders to be armed.

My dog is great on all the rides we go on. She even came out on a night ride with 30 folk and was fine.

Think it depends on the training and level of control you have. I wouldn't take her to a busy trail centre out of respect to the other riders though.

When we went up to the Lecht she ran up under the chairlift and then raced us down the runs (taking the odd shortcut). Thought she'd be knackered but she kept going all day(!). Well, four hours.

Out of curiosity, just how long can a dog keep running? My old Spinger comes running, we go off piste for about 40 minutes and he is cream crackered after that. Mind you he probaby covers three times the distance from running off in every direction.

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new body armour for trails?

[b]dazzlingboy - Member[/b]
Coming from a devoted owner of 2 dogs that is saying something. I'd love to take my younger lab round the trails, but taking to Glentress of a weekend is asking for some knob end stormtrooper to run him over.

Why would you assume that the dog would only be run over by a "knob end stormtrooper"? Surely anyone could end up hitting an unruly dog, not just people on 8" travel bikes auditioning for the latest Star Wars prequel/sequel?

Actually, I don't see a problem with dogs anywhere, as long as they're well trained and the owners are responsible.

I'm not sure taking a dog to a busy trail centre on a weekend would be classed as responsible, but it's the owner's dog, the owner's choice and it's the owner who will have to live with the consequences (and the cost) should the dog get cut it in half with a set of Fox 36's, or injure a rider unlucky enough to hit it, because they were unable to keep it under control.

All the 7 staines needs is an exchange with the Korean national mtb team, the number of dogs will rapidly dwindle 8)

Is a dog under control if it's off the lead and the owners riding a bike?

Anyway- I rode 25km with my pooch last Sunday in Mid Wales. She was one of three dogs tagging along. She stays close to my back wheel unless called forwards, does't worry livestock, keeps up on the uphills, is wicked on the downs. She gets a bit worried on the river crossings but with gentle cajoling will cross and then gets heaps of praise. If she gets in the way of a wheel she soon learns that it hurts- and it only has happened twice. She always returns when I let her roam and then call her to heel. She is my riding buddy and is great. Riding solo with the mutt is a really good experience. Dogs are not called 'Man's Best Friend' for now't.

If the dog is misbehaving it is the owner's fault. Take it up with the owner, the dog is an extension of them.

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THIS, plus what TJ said

I'm a dog lover and occasionally take the furry child on XC runs. However, I'm quick to acknowledge some of the trails are particularly MTB-friendly so I'll either ensure he remains close to me or else we find another route.

Would never consider taking him while riding because he doesn't have the trail sense and would be a hazard to himself and others riders.

Hence what pi55es me off are riders that take their dogs and let them effectively roam wild. IMO this is plain ****in dangerous to all - way too easy for either MTBer or animal to be "ambushed" and hit.

Have some respect for the trails and people who share them.

What pi55es me off is riders who

Is a dog under control if it's off the lead and the owners riding a bike?

Don't even get me started on w4nk8rs who ride along pavements while holding their dog on a lead. I'd like to see them pulled along while occasionally darting out in front of traffic, and see how they like it.

Out of curiosity, just how long can a dog keep running? My old Spinger comes running, we go off piste for about 40 minutes and he is cream crackered after that. Mind you he probaby covers three times the distance from running off in every direction.

In winter our Springer used to manage 2hrs or so (with me running), but like you say he was totally knackered by the end. At least the puddles helped him rehydrate, hence I no longer take him out in the summer.

My experience of Springers is they seem keen to use their energy as quickly as possible, unlike Collies and Labs, etc. Therefore they hit the wall early and it's no fun for anyone. Joint and other arthritic problems can be increased as a result to IMO.

I take my dog to all trail centeres, he doesnt like the weekends especially at the Welsh ones or Glentress, far too many ATGNI weekeend stormtroopers clogging up the technical features so he cant see whats coming, dogs have much lower level of vision so its difficult to assess drop sizes.

I let him sh1t on the side of the trail, if he does it in the middle I put it in a bag and hang it up on a tree, why do folk expect me to carry it around with me if there are no bins, thats just rank !

Slightly off topic but same theory.

Walking along the Union Canal at Harrison Park yesterday - lots of walkers with and without dogs. I have 3 year old in tow (to feed the ducks) as well as two dogs. Lots of cyclists too. What pisses me off are bike riders who ride along this shared path at warp 9. Most are OK, but some (heading to the Pentlands usually, so on a big mission) are simply reckless. Dogs, children and all are in danger of getting mashed.

what pi55es me off are riders that take their dogs and let them effectively roam wild. IMO this is plain ****in dangerous to all

agreed

I put it in a bag and hang it up on a tree

I'm not a dog person, I appreciate some people like them fair enough. But I've only ever seen them get in the way on trails, I expect them on bridal ways and shared trails, be alert and expect walkers with dogs but bikers taking their own mobile canine obstruction with them is just stupid... Of course it's "well trained" right up to the point where you're picking bit's of it out of your front rotor...

Can't see why you'd take one with you when you go out riding, either you want to go for a bike ride or you want to ponce about with your bloody pooch!

Often dog lovers will tell me how their mutt is "part of the Family" well I'm not about to let my Daughter scuttle about across singletrack and busy DH trails trying to tangle herself in peoples wheels, so why are people so keen to do the same with their apparently Beloved Dogs...

^^^what cookeaa said.

apart from the "not a dog person" bit. 😀

I have always chosen dogs that have the stamina to take biking ,usually a collie cross something.I nearly always take mine out with the bike as it's the only way to exercise them properly.Usually in the local woods ,sometimes round the clic lap on the Mendips

Often dog lovers will tell me how their mutt is "part of the Family" well I'm not about to let my Daughter scuttle about across singletrack and busy DH trails

I let the wife do that and my son is keen to start a trail centre too so watch this space....

They can close a wall ride at Glentress for health and safety, surely they can ban dogs as the landowners? Just because your dog is well behaved doesn't mean it's good practice at a busy trail centre. But if you ban them all and then you cover the ones not controlled properly. Makes sure neither rider or animal comes to harm. At the end of the day it's not the dog's fault their owner is a numpty.

[i]surely they can ban dogs as the landowners?[/i]

Sorry buts thats blatant discrimination.

Is a dog under control if it's off the lead and the owners riding a bike?

it's uder control until it's not under control, what is "under control" depends on your "perspective"

someone may regard their dog as a natural accompanyment on the trail the same as a walker, think poo off/ next to the trail is "natural" and the dog running around at random as good fun, the dog snapping at clothing and getting under wheels as high spirits. They also see to believe in the poo fairy who collects bags that hang from trees

others may have a different view

I've been out with someone with two "trail hounds" at a trail centre and despite their assurances that they never get in the way they did. The owners also didn't understand a reluctance to take the dogs onto natural trails when it was the local lambing season and we would be crossing open moor and farmland

someone on a different variant of this subject mentioned dog owners having a level of delusion on a par with alcoholics, I think this is good analogy

slightly OT: as for dogs in public parks, I'd ban/limit them, why should the local football team have to "sh** pick" before each match and kids learning to ride their bikes can't do it without off the lead dogs being "friendly". and why do the owners of large dogs think it's acceptable to take them into fenced off play areas?

surely they can ban dogs as the landowners?

Sorry buts thats blatant discrimination.

are you going to march for dogs rights?

flatfish - Member

I'll take my dog there if i want, it's not illegal.

I assume that you and your dog are well insured, should your dog cause someone to crash, cauing injuries to the rider and wrecking their bike?

That sort of attitude (whilst probably only trolling) really sums up the population's attitude to anyone else these days. F*ck you as long as i can do what I want.
Grow up!

F*ck you as long as i can do what I want.

it seems most apply that approach to riding footpaths...

FC = land manager, not owner 😉

Share and share alike, show some consideration, try not to get too upset about it all, there's a time and a place etc.

Life is too short to be too angry, too often.

😎

oldgit - Member

Is a dog under control if it's off the lead and the owners riding a bike?

It can be - it depends how well its trained.

I have seen my mate do this thru town with his dog. Him on the road, dog on pavement. The dog stopped and waited for permission to cross at every side road and ran straight down the edge of the pavement bothering no one.

Its all down to how well trained the dog is. A properly trained dog that is under control bothers no one and I have seen a couple at trail centres bothering no one. if you dog is that well trained then fine.

Although this isn't actaully an issue for me personaly as I never use trail centres. I am surprised you can take dogs on them. I thought there was even a minimum age for humans?

TJ I'm probably over sensative with my dog. As I always think about the people that are petrified of a 'loose' dog. mine is always on lead unless we're in the wilds and I can see anyone coming.

I assume that you and your dog are well insured, should your dog cause someone to crash, cauing injuries to the rider and wrecking their bike?

That sort of attitude (whilst probably only trolling) really sums up the population's attitude to anyone else these days. F*ck you as long as i can do what I want.
Grow up!

Theres no law saying I can't so why shouldn't I? The trail centre doesn't belong to you, as it doesn't belong to me, so until i'm told otherwise i can take a dog.

If you were to hit a dog, that would prove(to me at least) that you weren't in full control of your bike and maybe you should be having some lessons on bike riding. I'm sure Jedi would be happy to help or even Ed Oxley of this parish.

Remember, Chin Up. 😉

Just remember to pop a wheelie prior to impact that way you can ride right over them without slowing too much

oldgit - Member

Although this isn't actaully an issue for me personaly as I never use trail centres. I am surprised you can take dogs on them. I thought there was even a minimum age for humans?

Not in scotland - they are just paths in the woods.

flatfish - if your dog gets run over it is not under proper control.

Teh dog should not be bothering anyone else - if it is at a trail centre it should be following you closely and getting off the trail when stopped.

Dogs on trails are a no no,they are a pain in the a55.Trouble is most people who ride with their mutt's are too lazy to take them out for a good long walk.
Oh & BTW I am a dog owner & go for a run with my mutt 3 times a week,as well as walking him twice a day....

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what tyres for spaniel fur?

Don't run over them,just boot'em out of the way....