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What an idiot.
Homemade headset press + nicolai argon FR + thinking it would be easy to press a headset in = trouble.
I've managed to get the headset cups half in but completely wonky, now I can't get them in or out. Lesson learnt, I hope the local bike shop can save me!
why didn`t you do one at a time? Try a practise on a POS frame first then move on to the good frames
Well done, spunk 1k or more on a frame, too tight to spend 40 quid on a headset press !
God they're going to laugh at you when you walk out the door.
Sorry.
surely you must have noticed they weren't going in straight??
Can you knock the cups out from the other direction? Don't just wallop it, but gentle and try again one at a time making sure they are going in square.
Did you buy said frame from the aforementioned local bike shop? If not, Nickegg is spot on the money above!
Even if you did, I suspect Nick's got it right anyway! 😉
erm, yeah, thanks for the encouragement. A headset press is going to be bought. Don't care how much they laugh as long as they fix it!
don't see why they wouldn't laugh when I walk in the door either
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Unfortunately, it's out of stock. Prepare to be laughed at.
Take it to a shop and get it done proper.
Should be fine.
Good Luck!
stop. Have a cup of tea. have a ponder. Put the hammer away.
Hot water on the frame will expand it knock the cup straight and carry on - or knock it right out from the inside and start again
Worst comes to teh worst and you have damaged the frame the headset can be fitted with locktite bearing fit or you can use a deep insertion headset. However I bet its fine.
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It's fairly normal for the cups to go in a bit wonky before straightening up. I very much doubt you have damaged the frame, but buy the right tools, just makes everything easier.
Should be ok,get them knocked out properly and refit,it will be fine
wahoo! I've got them out!
Now, can anyone recommend me a headset press that isn't park tool expensive?
Kbrembo - I like it.
YOu won't have done much if any damage, I've had them in right wonky in loads of frames. Just smashed them out with some old handlebars
panic over chaps, everything will be o.k.
TJ - I did think about that, I might try freezing the cups next time before starting
If its only slightly wonky and not far in, loosen homemade press and move threaded bar across to the lowest point of headset (bit that isnt in as far)
Tighten press until that point is in as far as the restthen undo again and centre press back up.
Repeat till tight and straight.
if its quite far in it will need knocked out with above pictured copper pipe.
estwing 24oz 😉 oh and some wood
If they were really tight it might be your headtube needs reaming.
Worth a trip to the bike shop for a check if you think they were a bit too tight.
You should be able to tap them out and have another go.
You have got the correct headset for the frame, haven't you? If it's giving so much trouble it sounds like it might be the incorrect headset.
Dont need no expensive tools, do one at a time, a mm at a time, straightening as you go. Once its in so far it will go in straight no problem.
Dont need no expensive tools.
Quite true, but the correct ones are a good start, and at £34 it's hardly expensive ?
I was going to say I've always tapped mine in with a rubber hammer, then the stem cap/star nut does the rest.
TJ - I did think about that, I might try freezing the cups next time before starting
Freezing isn't a completely stupid idea, but bearing in mind you're trying to get things a "distance" away from "room temperature", it's easier to get a temperature differential with boiling water (100C) than a freezer (-18C).
A story with a happy ending 🙂
Put some lube on them when you go for attempt No.2 & do them one at a time
Lumps of wood, a hammer warmer head tube than headset and some patience never failed me.
i've got the proper tool and i don't recall the headset cups ever going in wonky and then straightening up! They just went in straight to start with.
I have used the cyclus one and it's tip top.
Buy one and loan it out to your mates. It will get you lots of pints!
brant / captain - I do both - cups in the freezer and a cloth round the frame soaked in boiling water. It really helps - same with all bearings
I have one of these
That cyclus one on Wiggle that tragically1969 linked to is excellent and will last a lifetime. Money well spent I reckon.
as laready said, freezer overnight. Never needed more than a tap with a nylon mallet to get them in straight.
Is it a tapered headtube? I was in Head for the Hills a while ago and Rog had someone's nicolai frame off here (black one with green bits;lovely btw). He said that the nicolai tapered headtube was a bit of a nightmare. Can't remember his rationale but i'm sure it was something to do with the way they machine it. Anyway, it may be worth getting someone that has the proper kit and knows the frames to do it.
cyclus headpress is a quality tool, presses headset cups in with ease
brant / captain - I do both - cups in the freezer and a cloth round the frame soaked in boiling water. It really helps - same with all bearings
Or just a bigger hammer. Never fails. 🙂
FWIW, using the ill-advised hammer method the cups need to go in a fair distance before they stay straight.
Now, can anyone recommend me a headset press that isn't park tool expensive?
I've got a Cyclus headset press. As others have said, its a quality bit of kit. Fitted three headsets with mine now and had no bother with any of them.
FWIW, using the ill-advised hammer method the cups need to go in a fair distance before they stay straight.
I've been doing it for 20 years. Never had a problem. block of wood under the headtube on the floor and either a plank and a hammer or a wooden mallet. Don't pussyfoot around, 4-5 big wallops and it's in... 🙂
Not ideal, I grant you, but devastatingly effective! 🙂
[i]Not ideal[/i]
I think, for most people, even the £1.50 threaded rod, big washers and nuts approach is safer and more controlable. I've done that on all my frames (but I've never spent more than £200 on a frame)
on a £1k frame I'd be using the proper tool for the job
hammer n wood
Theaded bar and some big washers = 78p. CKs, FSAs Hopes even big 1.5 ones no problem.