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Out of (honest) interest,
Those of you who hate climbing, how much of that is down to actually hating climbing, and how much of it is down to having a bike and set-up that makes it torture?.
I occasionally have brief (very brief!) shots of other bikes and honestly struggle to have any enjoyment trying to keep the bike rolling forward on level, nevermind uphill gradients.
Maybe, what passes for a MTB in the UK is just too downhill oriented?
If I can't clean an obstacle on a climb, it's an excuse to give up and push. If I don't clean an something on a descent I dust myself off, push back up and try to get it right.
Descending is better. QED.
Bad climbs spoil a ride. There are no bad descents.
Those of you who hate climbing, how much of that is down to actually hating climbing, and how much of it is down to having a bike and set-up that makes it torture?.
I can nurse my hardtail up most things, it's a combination of the slightly lower weight, and the energy not being sapped into the shock. The Five is great on most ascents, but once the surface gets chunkier and the switchbacks tighter, it just becomes draining. I know which bike I'd prefer on the descents though...
"There are no bad descents."
disagree, road downs. I hate loosing hard earned altitude via tarmac but sometimes there is no other way to get to where you wanna go.
The only climb I've ever truly loathed is nan bield cos its 80-90% unrideable and about 60% carry ie too steep/rocky to even push, worth it for the down tho.
Nan Bield is totally evil ๐
Out of (honest) interest,
Those of you who hate climbing, how much of that is down to actually hating climbing, and how much of it is down to having a bike and set-up that makes it torture?.
I enjoy the odd techy climb where choosing lines and maintaining traction is a challenge but to be perfectly honest most climbs are just dull, slow and monotonous. My usual bike set-up for all round use is a 4X hardtail (but with double chainset and long enough seatpost for climbing) and although not ideal for climbing, I can still climb further than most mates on lighter XC bikes when it gets steep or loose (when I feel like it). but it doesn't really matter what bike I'm on, I have had lighter XC bikes in the past, I don't even really enjoy road climbs on my road bike (although making a 17% climb on a local route last week that had previously defeated me felt quite satisfying)
I s'pose its horses for courses then,
If a climbs boring, just ride it harder! Me, I'd happily have an uplift service to take me back down to the foot of the next interesting ascent. ๐
When i was fit i used to enjoy climbing as there is the challenge of taking the right line or even passing another rider who is on the line you want. The DHs will always be more fun becauce you can enjoy the speed and terrain without using unnecessary energy.
How many people can honestly say you dislike DH's or are you just against them because of the type of riders it attracts?
Nope, that just makes it more tiring but no more interesting and you need a longer break before the descent. ๐I s'pose its horses for courses then,
If a climbs boring, just ride it harder!
Me, I'd happily have an uplift service to take me back down to the foot of the next interesting ascent.
I'm pretty sure any uplift service would oblige, but if not, I'm happy for you to ride any of my bikes to the top for me while I walk up behind, just leave it at the start hut and I'll get you at the finish for your next shot.
Depends which bike I'm on. Neither of my bikes are lightweights I enjoy climbs on my xc hardtail but not my big bouncy bike (38lbs).The downs are still good on my hardtail but more fun on th FS.
Mostly I enjoy eating more than crapping, but sometimes you just have a really good, satisfying extrusion that leaves you feeling on top of the world, invincible, bluebirds singing as you go to wash you hands and so forth. It's an odd feeling that I don't think you could replicate the other way, and not one you'd normally share.
Climbing is like that, though less scatalogical.
@peachos not really shyte no. It's what I think of climbing. Sorry your opinion doesn't match mine.
@west kipper - it's mostly because I'm not fit enough to make it an event.
Tis all a matter of balance. (not 'side to side' balance but 'equalateral' balance)
I think.
Are you one of those folk who don't enjoy the climbs unless they've "earned" it with with a tough descent beforehand?
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I love the sense of achievement of getting up a big climb, but it's nowhere near as fun as a good descent.
I agree with Mike-at-dialled bikes.
If there were no downhills I wouldn't bother riding. There is far more skill involved in descending as fast as possible on the ragged edge, railing turns, picking lines,negotiating obstacles at speed, reflexes on overdrive etc etc.
One mans Ford Fiesta is another mans Ferrari though so everyone is entitled to their own opinion and preference.
Get a 575. Enjoy the challenge of a technical uphill: bumps, shelves, boulders, gravel. Have a drink, enjoy the view and then fly down the way you've come.
That's the way we do it in the Peaks.
Got rocks?
It's all good. Even better if I was fitter.
the descent is the reward for the climb. the last ride out i had with the lycra boys we did technical climbs followed by tarmac descents... wtf... that was dull.
GEDA - MemberTechnical Climbing requires more skill, strength and stamina. DH requires a bit less skill, strength and stamina but much bigger balls and no family.
I know you're only trolling but I'll take the bait - balls. If that were true someone like Josh Bender would be multiple time DH world champion. I'll give you stamina, but I'd wager the majority of elite dh riders would be stronger than their xc counterparts. To suggest technical climbing takes more skill than dh is absurd. You've clearly never ridden a bicycle quickly on technical terrain.
GEDA Jacobs ladder. Most could ride down it few could ride up it.
And the champery world cup dh course?
GEDA I get more of a buzz when I have cleared all the technical cimbs on my usual route the when I do the descents as the thing that stops me doing the drops and gaps is more my brain than skill.
That'll be your brain reminding you that you have no skill. Ever thought of taking up road racing?
For me personally, the most impressive descending skills I've ever witnessed were not by downhillers on 'engineless motocross bikes', but full on pro-elite cross country riders, on featherweight bikes with saddles six inches above the bars, pedalling at full speed down slopes I'd be feared to walk down, nevermind my usual mincelike downhill style. ๐
Both require a certain degree of skill anyway you look at it..A good climb is a very good thing as is a good descent..Only a flat ride is dull.
MisterGnar I am not trolling. I am serious
never done it. The most technical riding around there I have done is the singletrack at Ripaille which was the dogs b******s but I doubt I could climb it all :). I suppose it is my kind of trail though: technical and steep but does not require too much gnar. (big drops and gaps).And the champery world cup dh course?
Since MisterGnar has no idea what kind of skill level I have then I will not comment as MisterGnar does not have a clue. I could not care what skill level I have I just like biking. If you are ever over in Sweden you can come and try some of my trails. Hope you are good though so you don't get egg on your face.
Riding is freedom! couching is sh1t! TV sucks and this is utter trollage I think, Can someone explain trollage, am I a troll and can I be reformed?
I love climbing and descending - it's all good. I'm probably better at climbing than descending to be honest, although I like the challenge of both ๐
other than one corner Champery WC course is not that technical at all, just steep as ****! there are far more technical descents in the PDS area
Climbing is amazing. 30% of the fun in my riding is the climbing. 30% is the flat, and 30% is the descending. Then you've got 10% in the cafe.
Climbing is the same as descending, but where you need balls in descending, you need fitness for climbing. Other then that, its the same skills.
You can fake balls with stupidity/alcohol. You can't fake fitness.
"Climbing is like that, though less scatalogical."
Eccles: you are a genius!