[Closed] Cotic Rocket to be UK made...

if they got their own factory, they can surely pump out stupid-sized in between wheel frames for hard of thinking consumer sheep easily.

Love it! +1

If I need a new frame, and I can afford it, it'll be a Rocket for sure. I can even pick it up from the factory as it's just down the road.

Very best of luck, stick with the 26" please!

Sounds great - good luck!

If I buy a new frame it'll be to go with my 26" wheels. Why the hell would I want to stump up for new wheels as well? If your buying a new bike it's irrelevant due to lack of real difference in diameter.

Top work boys and good luck indeed.

One of my friends is a highly experienced engineering type, he is convinced that if we can improve our apprenticeship schemes, then the work will come back our way. Another friend that runs a recruitment company tells me, he can fill every CNC job 5 times over.

Good luck, Cy & Mike. This is excellent news.

how is 650b any different from 29 from a marketing hype perspective

29ers grew organically and took years to get established. 650b seems to have happened overnight, and is being pushed especially hard by the brands that were late to producing 29ers...

I too got a bit impatient whilst waiting for a new rocket, and so I plumped for.......a rocket (2nd hand)! A small part of me is disappointed that it's not 'Made in UK' but then I do have this great bike, right now. Given how much I'm enjoying it I'm incredibly happy to see this news and wish Cotic and BML the best of luck for the future.

and may I just echo what mugboo just said about apprenticeship schemes. We've got a really good one here at work and it's fantastic to see so many youngsters getting proficient. It just opens up so many possibilities for getting small batches of stuff turned around quickly

Good stuff Cy. I'm not in the market for a Rocket, but great that you're setting up this frames production in the UK and still flying the 26" flag 🙂

I though, I'd probably be playing around with swappable dropouts to have a bike that could swing both ways, or vary geometry a bit. assuming it didn't affect price too much.

Ive thought this for s long time. Excuse my frame building ignorance but would it cost that much more to do and would it change the geometry that much?

Good luck guys, as long as the price is competitive it will definitely be on my short list. Much prefer to support uk if I can.

Excuse my ignorance but what does this mean?

I though, I'd probably be playing around with swappable dropouts to have a bike that could swing both ways

Can I please vote for a bit less white on the paint job, especially on the swing arm? 🙂

@shakelton how is 650b any different from 29 from a marketing hype perspective, how is it more likely to stay ? To me it sounds just the same as we heard about 29. If you keep bikes 10 years then it's clear you don't care about hype/having the latest thing for the sake of it - so just buy what you want

True, however I am concerned by the availability of spares or new parts. Although my frame is 10 years old it is on it's 3 set of forks and 2nd wheelset (currently on their last gasp). If I buy a 26" frame and new wheels then when I need a new fork and wheel set in 5 years time will the top end parts that I want be available? Given how every company now seems to be 650b or 29er I'm not convinced they will be.

OEM must account for the greater proportion of fork and wheel sales and aftermarket 26" sales will get smaller as it gets harder to buy 26" bikes and frames, and is likely to get worse. Although I would much prefer to carry on with 26" wheels and see the 650b thing as marketing it is also a physical reality. When a manufacturer has to make a decision about losing products vs. introducing new ones I'm willing to bet that the 26" product would get axed to make way for the 650b (or 29er) new product. The market is also primarily led by what America wants/does and 650b is very big news there at the moment. So we can whinge and whine all we like but I think 650b is here to stay and will in all probability oust 26" as the main size purely due to how it is being pushed by the industry. 26" may linger but won't be a priority for manufacturers making getting good tyres, wheels and forks harder to get in 5 years + time.

I do wish Cotic all the best and am pleased to see them being made in the UK. I am just concerned for them that in 3-5 years time there won't be the support to make 26" viable any more. Not a problem for serial frame swappers who will buy a whole new bike in 18 months time but for me where a frame is a major investment the long term view makes me nervous about investing in 26". I would like to be wrong but I don't think there is room for 3 wheel sizes in the mtb world, especially with 2 of them being so similar.

Excuse my ignorance but what does this mean?

I though, I'd probably be playing around with swappable dropouts to have a bike that could swing both ways

Banshee Spitfire (for example) has separate dropouts, which are available in 26" and 650b flavours. Viable option for future proofing frames, at the cost of a bit of extra weight.

(Oh, and nice one Cotic - a bold move, and exciting stuff).

Banshee was exactly along the lines of what I was thinking.
Or Liteville, perhaps, who do different length stays on every frame size, where some sizes cater for more than one wheel size.

Especially at this point where things are in limbo, and seemingly every new bike is jumping on the band wagon, but 99.99% of what is actually being ridden is 26 with the occasional 29.

I'd bet 50p on a 650b 2015 model, but not sure whether that'd be the Rocket Lite, a sibling to the Soul/Solaris with a new name, ...

Well done Cotic.

LOL @ Genuinely cool news thread turning into wheel size debate

Nice to see. Now then, who's going to produce a home-brewed groupset?

@Shakelton understood. I for one don't see Cotic as wedded to 26, they Introduced 29's and I'm sure if the customer support / demand is there for 650b they'll respond, I mean Cy's not going to allow Cotic to fold due to being stuck ideologically with 26. In fact it sounds like he'll be more able to experiment with BML than before.

Anyway good luck again with it (and I assume my 26 ain't dead shirt got mailed yesterday 🙂 )

This is excellent news.
I wish you the best of luck I am considering your Rocket as my next bike.
I will love it even more knowing it's uk made. Employing local talent is the way forward.
It's a shame other northern bike companies didn't follow your lead.

jambalaya - I don't think customer demand comes into it in this country, I really don't think there is much. I think it will come down to the supply of parts from manufactureres.

all you need now is a an adjoining brewery and you've got it made.
factory/ brewery tours would be AMAZING!
oh, and a test facility in the local woods.

Shackleton I will have to disagree with you completely on that one
We have had one 26" enquiry in the last three or four months all our sales and enquiries are for 29 & 650b
26" sales dried up middle of last year.
We are stocking and selling what customers are asking for

who do you work for Sancho?
what brands do you have?

Lbs in leeds
We do kona, lapierre, transition, genesis, saracen,

Still fixing lots of 26" mtb's but new sales have shifted

Yep 650 / 29ers are where it's at, 26" is yesterdays news.

Cy is still making 26ers for those that want them and have a stock of bits they want to keep using - [b]WIN!![/b]

Cy has a facility in which he can more rapidly prototype, develop and manufacture changes to accommodate new standards -
[b]WIN!![/b]

[i]new sales have shifted[/i]

That'll probably be 'cos pretty much all of those brands don;t do 26" bikes at an enthusiasts price point any more 😉

Brilliant news, best press release I've read in ages, a turning point hopefully. Every time I go to a factory in Taiwan I'm a bit depressed that there's so few opportunities like that in the UK. UK made really is becoming more viable and I'm sure they will show how well it can work. I think or hope there's more to come in this area. Good times.

Great news,if I decide to get a new FS frame,it will be a Rocket.

We have had one 26" enquiry in the last three or four months all our sales and enquiries are for 29 & 650b
26" sales dried up middle of last year.
We are stocking and selling what customers are asking for

out of interest, are people coming into your shop and saying:

"I'd like to buy a 650b MTB please, what have you got?"

or are they coming in saying:

"I'd like to buy a MTB please, what have you got?"

and then being [i][b]sold[/b][/i] a 650b bike because the bikes/manufacturers you stock at that price point are 650b?

ie: trying to work out if people are genuinely coming in to your shop with 650b as a requirement?

Good to see a forward thinking Brit company producing a quality 26'r rather than jumping on the 650b/29'r going nowhere fashion wagon 🙂 🙂

I worry more about press fit BBs than wheel size 😉

ie: trying to work out if people are genuinely coming in to your shop with 650b as a requirement?

I suspect even if most people do want 650b it's only because they don't want to end up with a bike that's hard to get parts for. I don't know anyone who's convinced by the advantages of 650b.

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I think you're on to a winner there Mr Cotic. Well played and good luck!

For those asking, putting 27.5 wheels into a Rocket isn't the work of a minute, and does (in my opinion) require an entirely revised frame layout. Switchable 'both wheel size' frames are just a dogs dinner of compromises in my opinion. The Rocket is quite tightly packaged and bigger wheels just run into everything all over the place. For the first production run it's prudent to stick with something known, and we still have plenty of demand for the Rocket as it is. There are changes to the construction because we can do things differently here, and that was enough to work through.

I'd say we're wheel size agnostic. The aim is to support all three as and when, and give people choice. Our current experience is that 26" frame sales are still strong and still the majority of our business. 26" complete bikes aren't selling that quickly, as people buying all new bits will inevitably try and futureproof themselves, but a lot of people still have lots of nice 26" kit to put on nice Cotic frames.

In 3-5 years time, my crystal ball gazing says you'll still be able to get 26" wheels and tyres. There's just too many 26" bikes out there for that not to be the case. 27.5 forks aren't massively different to 26" so putting some of those on your 26" bike isn't going to ruin it, so that's forks dealt with.

I worry more about press fit BBs than wheel size

Yes to threaded BB's!

Awesome, if I go full suss puts the rocket top of my list (was in the top 3 already)

Tell me about it - getting the right press fit for my meta and paying heavily for it was interesting.

Have to get personalized decals on mine too 😉

Yes to threaded BB's!

Great news, I hope it goes well whatever wheel size your selling.

But..... whatever happened to the mini Rocket?? 😀

It is very cool this, am I imagining things or did Cy remark years ago that he'd tried to make Souls in the UK but found it just impractical- not on cost grounds but on volume and quality? Very cool that this is possible.

I wonder, does this represent something like a UK-ification of a far-eastern-ish mass production process... Or is it possibly comparable to Nicolai with more customisation?

Yeah but what about the excessive white bits on the swing arm.... 🙂

Cy is still making 26ers for those that want them and have a stock of bits they want to keep using - WIN!!

Cy has a facility in which he can more rapidly prototype, develop and manufacture changes to accommodate new standards -
WIN!!

This!

Seriously we are being asked for 650 b bikes
We would never push something on to a customer.
There will be many reasons for this but basically people are coming back from their demo rides loving the 650 b bikes and putting down deposits on new bikes we are struggling to keep stock

Got one enquiryrfor a 26" bandit

So is the new Cotic Fatbike going to be British made then ...... 😉