[Closed] Coil Shock?????? CCDB - Elka stage 5?????

My mate rides a spicy with a ccdb and loves it,Had a pushed rp23 on it before and that was good,The ccdb takes it to a new level of control and grip,comfort.

That's what I heard just want to make sure that I'm making the right choice before blowing a load of cash

CCDB. Its phenomenal. Takes a reasonable knowledge of suspension to set it up and a lot of tinkering but once you get it dialled, it is unrivalled. Put a Ti spring on it and its not much heavier than an air shock

Diverse Dueler 😉

What size do you need? I may be able to help with a good price 🙂

215mm, same goes for the Dueler 😉

Looking at a 216x63 i think - saying that Si the deals from the states on e-bay are pretty fantastic (as long as I don't get stung for tax)

Loco do you have a dueler or something????

Have had 2 CCDB's on bikes,Have always been faultless,As posted above it may take a while to find the correct setting and you need a bit of knowledge to understand the setting up.Once set its awesome,climbs better and descends quicker,what more could you want.The price is high but you get what you pay for.

I'm the UK Distributor, Service and Tuning centre 🙂

Ahhhhhh OK

Would be interested in having a look at the dueler 😉

Will mail you with details in the morning Si.

i just stuck an old fox rc shock on the corperaterocket. feels way better than the dhx air i took off

Anyone with experience of the Elka????

Jedi- I have owned a few bikes with Dhx airs and have always sold the air to get a coil.The airs have always blown through the travel.They either are to soft and blow travel or to stop them from doing that they are harsh could never find a decent medium.They have always spiked on square edged hits,the dhx coil spikes on the high speed compression side and can be a bit wallowy in the mid stroke.

I've just fitted a CCDB 2 days ago so have yet to get it sussed but you won't read anything but glowing reports and reviews on it.

i only ever use coil and ti springs. got to get a ti spring now.

Mr Jedi - RCS FTW! 🙂

http://www.rentoncoilspring.com/

thats what i had on the demo9 🙂

hows you?

Good mate - just back from 6 months in Germany. 🙂

blimey 6 months since our session. time flies and i hope the riding did too

Fox DHX3 or 4, nice and cheap. Ride it for a few weeks with a couple of springs and then get a custom tune and then the ti spring. If ccdb and elka are like having a custom tune... why not get a custom tune?

This is what I did in the past and am doing again... currently awaiting tft delivery of push bits.

Anyone with any experience with the Elka stage 5???

ash.addy - Member
Anyone with any experience with the Elka stage 5???

I have one on an Uzzi Vp currently set up as a heavy duty trail bike. Stunning shock compared to the pushed Van R and dhx 5's I previously had. Got it as I was worried the ccdb would be too difficult to set up (this was easy).

Kamina do you think the shock would be suitable to set up on a Lapierre Spicy??

Kamina - I'm interested that you prefer the Elka to Pushed Van R and a DHX5. Were these custom tuned with the same spring weight etc or completely different bike?
Would you care to elaborate? I'm planning to push and custom tune a DHX so I am after opinions.
Many thanks.

I have an Elka on my Banshee and love it: There is more than enough adjustability and it feels great. It actually takes a bit of getting use to because it feels pretty firm at first and then gets plusher the faster you go and when you take bigger hits.

Oh, and they custom tune it to you and your bike.

ash, look into a bos stoy too.......

Jedi i have a 450lb titanium spring off a old fox van rc if you are interested.

Vikingboy love to but too much wonga

Kamina do you think the shock would be suitable to set up on a Lapierre Spicy??

Hard to say, it's a horst link bike right? I find it hard to believe that it would not work, but then so would a CCDB if you know how to tune it right (I have friends that swear by CCDB's on their Nikolai's).

Before deciding on what shock to get, I was going through a lot of possibilities. I was worried I would not be able to tune the CCDB very well, since I always found tuning shocks to be quite hard (more on that later). After discussing with Tim Flooks he was convinced it's an amazing shock, but he had rarely tried a bike where it was set up well. It kind of confirmed the fear...

Kamina - I'm interested that you prefer the Elka to Pushed Van R and a DHX5. Were these custom tuned with the same spring weight etc or completely different bike?
Would you care to elaborate? I'm planning to push and custom tune a DHX so I am after opinions.
Many thanks.

I had a pushed dhx 5 on a Transition Preston FR about two or three years ago. Later I had an Intense Tracer VP and felt it could use a coil shock. I got a pushed Van R, and felt it was at least as good as the DHX 5 was previously.

I do think the pushed shocks where nice, and an improvement to how they are stock. I always felt I don't know how to set up a shock when using them, since I was not really feeling a lot of difference when changing settings. The lack of compression tuning limits what you can do, and I don't think boost valve in the dhx compensates very well.

With the Elka the settings make a big difference. When you slow down the rebound it really packs down, when you put it fast it does kick you off the seat. When you play with compression you notice a big difference, and it changes how high the bike rides. The fact that the settings change so much actually made it a lot easier for me to tune it. I would imagine the MX-tune from push is very similar and would consider it too.

So yeah, I'm not really even close to being a pro in setting up suspension, but I like to use my bike in pretty different terrains. Most of the time I'll be riding rooty rocky paths, but sometimes smooth ones or going to a DH resort for a day. All of them require slightly different settings, and I never felt I was able to tune that on the Fox shocks.

trumplesneaker : my son just had a demo with the CCDB he had setting up issues with it at first...bike shop set it too stiff at first but soon got it sorted...it seems abit complicated but once you got it set up correct its a great shock.

would someone like to explain to me the process of custom tuning..just asking...

Usually involves the arrangement of shims on the main piston of the shock, different thicknesses and diameters affect how the shock behaves.
There are various other modification that can be carried out depending on the shock, such as porting the piston to allow more oil to flow throught the piston onto shim stack and the direction and area it is flowed too.
Tuning are separate to the external adjustments of the shock.

Thanks Kamina. I've been running a pushed van for five years and its been great, always good to hear others experience, and as you say... turning the knobs does little, and a boy does like to play with his knobs sometimes. Although I also appreciate the fit and forget which at least means I can't mess it up too much.

I have a CCDB, I tried and failed to set it up properly for my Slopestyle. Ended up emailing Cane Creek for suggested settings, dialed them in and the difference was amazing. Once set up, it's a belter. Same as everyone else says.

The other one to think about is the Bos Stoy. Same price as the CCDB, but they tune it up ready for you and your bike, so no faffing with dials for weeks. By all accounts, it's the only shock on a par with the double barell.

slartybartfast - Member

Jedi i have a 450lb titanium spring off a old fox van rc if you are interested.

i need 550/600lb 🙁

Would anyone care, if they can, to try and put into words the difference they feel between a "standard" shock and their ccdb? I've tried pushed shocks, and a handfull of pro's bikes that just felt "right" but I would struggle to explain why. curious to hear if anyone as any interesting takes on it.

The other one to think about is the Bos Stoy. Same price as the CCDB, but they tune it up ready for you and your bike, so no faffing with dials for weeks. By all accounts, it's the only shock on a par with the double barell.

Sounds like a bit of an over simplication. From what I've gathered the ccdb when set up as recommended is not the smoothest shock on small stuff, it's just very controlled. The Bos has a very different charecter and is set up to be as sensitive as possible. Hard to say without trying, but from all I've heard they sound very different. The Elka I would imagine is also right up there with them, more sensitive then the ccdb on little chatter, but riding a bit lower in it's travel (hard to say how much you can adjust that with lsc since it has quite a big effect on how deep it rides).

The ccdb comes with one tune, Elka has a few depending on the frame. At least my dealer (Finland) is very knowlegable and offers to fine tune the shim stack depending on your preference. I know some people have taken that route, personally I have not felt the need.

IMO they all sound like quite different shocks, but without the chance to try them out back to back you will probably have 99% of riders recommending what they have, since they are all good and only few people have tried them all. I took ease of set up and support as big factors, for somebody else other things will matter more.

The thing with setting up the CCDB is not to panic 🙂

It really is quite simple to setup as one control does not change the other like on other shocks. For instance if you adjust the fast compression it does not change the slow compression at the same time. On other shocks you change one you have to go back and change the other.

If you read what the various controls do and then go out and have a play, you can dial it in quite easily.

What I did was to put everything to the recommended settings. Have a ride and to be fair it was pretty good like that.

Then I changed each of the 4 settings one at a time to there extremes, that way I could feel what happened to that control when it went too far in each direction. That way you realised that on some sort of riding each control changed. For instance you will see that slow compression does not really make much difference too a medium drop to flat, but it does to pedalling.

It sounds complicated but in reality in only takes a couple of hours.

Bazzer

I'm a dunce when it comes to set-up, but even I managed to get a CCDB feeling ace on my '08 Patriot. I just gradually wound off the compression until it felt mint. It's a taught feel, but very plush and controlled. The back wheel sticks to the ground - great for steep and tech downhills. Climbs very well too. The factory-fitted bushes are made of cheese though - mine lasted 2 weeks in Canada before play developed. Still, great shock - I just hope it proves reliable.

Can anyone tell me....if I run a 400lb steel spring, do I need the same weight of ti spring if I upgrade? And who sells them and at what price? It's a 2.5 shock. Ta v much.

Wouldn't it be better if there were less graduates, but they had skills that were in demand with employers?

Mine was on a 06 Patriot and as you say fantastic.

Did yours not have bearings rather than bushes ? or are you talking the alloy top hats that fit into the bearings.

Bazzer

if I run a 400lb steel spring, do I need the same weight of ti spring if I upgrade?

Yes - the 400lb is the force required to compress it one inch (I think - certainly the force required to compress it a defined amount). Therefore you want the same weight if you're happy with the current stiffness of the spring.

I brought mine from the US a couple of years ago on ebay.