I know it's not the most common of bikes but has anyone put a coil shock with a piggyback onto one of these? It's a 200x57 shock and I'm worried that it will compress enough for the piggyback to impact the carbon downtube. I don't know anyone who has one that I can borrow to check and I'm doing the les arc pila and la thuile in July so need all the help I can get...
Is going from a tuned air shock to a coil a terrible idea? Are there non-terrible no-piggyback shocks about?
Or if anyone has a shock laying around in north London that they fancy earning a beer or two by helping me out...
Cheers
If you're willing to spend a **** load of cash, 600-700 quid then you could go with an Ohlins with the kind of sideways/compact piggy back. Contact the Adreani group in Italy and they will custom tune it for you.
Anyway, that piggback looks like its a long way from impacting anything.
Honestly a decent air shock will be as good. What's wrong with yours?
The only air shock I've tried that was as remotely good as a coil was a float x2.
They have more stiction, less midstroke support without banging up the bottom out resistance, less pop off jumps and less reliability.
Coils are set and forget (as long as you don't get fat) - no leaking air, no fiddling with air pressures before a ride etc etc.
A good air will still be better than a cheap coil. People keep defaulting to coil for the alps where nothing is much harder than the UK.
Especially going to a non piggyback coil from a tuned air.
First rule of upgrading, work out what your trying to do, then work out what will achieve the solution.
Given the number of riders in ews running air keeps climbing they are making decent air shocks
EWS riders strip their bikes/shocks apart before each race day.
OK.... When I met Curtis keene in the sram tent this winter his bike had done the entire winter on the fork and shock, the rear mech was stuck on as it hadn't been removed in months and this was his first for service in a while.
Read the other part though, non piggy back coil vs a good air?
My monarchs have all be awful, as has my Pike in terms of reliability...who wants to bet that he gets the best components with the best tolerances from SRAM?
But of course, a tuned piggy back air shock over some pogo stick coil.
And my fox gear has all done really well, along with most people I know running air, including those racing it hard. Take a look around and in reality coils are in the minority. After the air can stuff they have the same things to deal with as the air shock internally.
Coils are set and forget (as long as you don't get fat) - no leaking air, no fiddling with air pressures before a ride etc etc.
Apart from an annual service that's exactly how my air shock is set and forget. No air leaks, no pressure tweaks. If I do want to make a change its simple though.
Just another thing to go wrong, my weight doesn't fluctuate so I don't care for it.
Need one spring for my fork and 2 springs 25lb apart for different gradients to get the weight distribution where I want it on the day.
Again, I think air is pointless once you settle on a setup or two - unless you're trying to save weight. But you can get enduro bikes down to 26-27lbs these days and IMO that is too light.
Tom_W1987 - MemberEWS riders strip their bikes/shocks apart before each race day.
I can say for sure that at least one world champion doesn't. Look after it, don't mess with it when it's working, is a better policy generally.
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I guess that's a good philosophy.
Some of the ones I've seen seem as anal as Formula 1 teams.
If you've settled on a sag setup, why not coil? As long as you don't care for the weight, it's always going to be simpler and more reliable due to less complicated internals and it's physically always going to have better midstroke support for a given bottom out resistance (Unless of course, you add another air chamber like Ohlins attempted to with the RXF which appears to have compromised the sensitivity of the fork further.) and sensitivity.
To answer the OP question, you will struggle if it is a 16", a 18" frame it should fit 20" or above seems to fit fine. This is based on my experience with float x and X2 so take up about the same space as a coil.
A week of Alps riding is waaaay more abuse than it would get in this country as doing a week of uplifted monster descents isn't something I could do here. I appreciate that Wales has plenty of hard rough descents but i wouldn't do a week of stiniog or bpw. I was hoping that for purely descending (or at least mostly) a more dh focussed coil would be simpler, less maintenance and tougher than the fox I have on currently. Just not sure that a ccdb or fox dh will fit.
The frame is a 20". I'll give it a blast. Cheers all.