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I also had a pike conversion kit from CRC. For me it did not work. The spring was way too soft and I was even using the slightly harder spring. I think the CRC solution works well when you are also buying the damping unit. This one is built like the Marzocchi dampers so you can adjust the last third of travel by the oil level.
Sad to say but also the service of CRC was hhhmmm lets say not so good. Before I did the transaction he was replying fast and to all my requests. After paying I only got the feedback that I must be wrong with my impressions??!! No spring exchange, no more feedback! To be honest I never had an even close experience in my 25years of mtb. Cannot recommend crc.
Quite interested in the Tft solution.
I have the conversion for my Lyrik 29. It does work and i dont get harsh top or bottom outs. Richard was good when the initial sag wasnt as requested, he sent me a bigger spacer to increase pre-load. The spring rate was just too soft and i had total radio silence about that. The spring is a domain spring, so i just bought a firmer one. Works fine now. If there was an option from TF i'd have used that but there wasnt/still isnt. I suspect Richard has a shortage of springs as RS don't make them anymore, getting hold of them isn't easy.
The damper is designed to work with an air spring, but its fine with my coil conversion, i might get it tuned/changed when i do the next service.
I would'mt say avoid CRC but, he's a French guy, in his shed in France, using Facebook to communicate. Its fair to say dealing with issues etc isn't straight forward.
I am using now the rs domain shaft and an xfusion venegeance 170 spring abd this works pretty well
The two folk with problems are brand new posters...
Lol.
Mine wasn't a Domain spring either - which is a bit odd.
In regards to bottom out, I did say with a coil you can either choose the bottom out force of your old setup or your sag - by speccing a different spring rate. What's good about the coil is with less sag, they still work. I'm on around 20 percent and it feels as comfortable as my Pike did at 25 with one token.
Still happy with mine in a Pike RC, I use the compression adjustment to avoid bottom out. I can't comprehend how it's possible to have the correct sag and maximum compression damping and still bottom the fork? If I had the compression set to max I would have to hit something very hard to do that
I had a conversation about these springs with TFT when my forks were in for a service last week. They were less than complimentary about the build quality of them. They did say they would be offering [s]their own[/s] [b]Push Industries[/b] coils conversion very soon.
FTFU.
[quote=Rick Draper ]I had a conversation about these springs with TFT when my forks were in for a service last week. They were less than complimentary about the build quality of them. They did say they would be offering [s]their own[/s] Push Industries coils conversion very soon.
FTFU.
fanks 🙄 I must have missed that bit. I wasn't aware you were listening into my conversation I am glad you were tho 😐
Still happy with mine in a Pike RC, I use the compression adjustment to avoid bottom out. I can't comprehend how it's possible to have the correct sag and maximum compression damping and still bottom the fork? If I had the compression set to max I would have to hit something very hard to do that
This +1
As I said earlier, the RC fork would be almost like the RCT3s lockout mode with one click from fully closed.
I half suspect the posters are either someone from TF or SA Springs - bottoming out easily with that much compression damping makes no sense to me at all.
I've had my first ride on a TFT coil converted Pike today 🙂 ...and it's predictably great! It's been a long wait (they've had my fork for weeks) but worth it I think. This is their own conversion ...they used Push seals I believe but other parts have been manufactured for them by a local engineering firm.
It is strange how two "new" names have appeared all of a sudden! Can't see how there can be a problem as described unless it's a blown damper unit.
Yes, i am new to singletrack forum. No, im not an competitor. Just a customer who searched the web for a explanation and is dissapointed with his purchase. This is my experience and my opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.
Tf tuned posted on Instagram they have their coil conversion ready. £109 DIY
http://www.tftuned.com/pike-coil-conversion-kit/p3314
Hydraulic bottom out bumper would be nice but not really the space to fit one
thedude - Member
Tf tuned posted on Instagram they have their coil conversion ready. £109 DIY
£149 according to the email.
Looks remarkably similar to the CRC one, except they've swapped to a metal -ve spring holder, you don't get a new spring rod, but you do get a top cap (and an extra spring, but I don't really get why you need that unless planning serious weight gain/loss)
Two different rate springs seems a good idea to me.
A spring swap programme would be an even better idea though!
Right… time to guess what rate springs to get…
It's 300g heavier than the solo air spring. That's more than the CRC conversion kit I think.
Also does anyone know why the dual position version is £26 more expensive?
Very tempted!
I can't see the weight being much different from one kit to another, mostly it's a spring.
The dual position kit may be more expensive because it needs a new aircap and the solo air possibly doesn't
Anyone else tried the TFT kit yet?
Rubber_Buccaneer - Member
I can't see the weight being much different from one kit to another, mostly it's a spring.The dual position kit may be more expensive because it needs a new aircap and the solo air possibly doesn't
You said earlier in the thread that the CRC spring added 150g to a dual position pike. TF tuned reckon their spring is 500g or 300g more than a solo air spring assembly. I can't see why there would be such a difference either, hence my question.
The kit comes with its own topcap, it doesn't reuse the topcap from the solo air spring, so still not sure why the dual position is £26 more expensive. Seems a bit weird!
Scene tax, innit.
You said earlier in the thread that the CRC spring added 150g to a dual position pike
It did. Can't pretend my cheap kitchen/shed scales are especially accurate but shouldn't be that far out. What I didn't do was weigh the CRC kit or the bits I took out.
I can't explain the difference in weight or price if you get a top cap either way ❓
300g more than a solo air spring assembly
Of course there is quite a bit more to a dual position spring, no idea whether it's 150g more than the solo but it is possible
Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought there was only a one position coil spring. The TF coil conversion has two versions depending if you're? converting a solo air or a dual position.
I meant the dual position air gubbins I removed to fit the coil.
I still have a CRC Pike spring kit to sell as I. I longer have any Pike forks, it doesn't fit in the Yari I'm using. 160mm 650b, 22% sag at 100kg. The thin plastic stantion protection is bent out of shape after an attempted fit in the Yari but an alternative boulder be too difficult to source at a stationers or similar- £85 posted.
Could anybody give the lenght of the spring for 160mm, 27,5 pike CRC conversion kit?
Just had a play on the newly converted coil pikes, amazingly plush and so much better on my hands than the dual position spring it replaced. Not sure which spring to run, one gives 23% and one 19% (without a rucksack) so I expect I'll have to move to the stiffer coil with a heavy pack. It feels like a much better performing fork already and I've not really got it set up 100% yet.
Mick, not yet - I've just ordered a Race Edition Orange Fox 36, I'll be dropping a Push coil conversion in it. The two stage spring will be nice to have.
Anyway, I'll soon have a coil equipped Pike with a FAST damper for sale. Nothing wrong with the fork, I just wanted something that was Orange. 😆
I'll have a review up in about 6 weeks.
Mick, not yet - I've just ordered a Race Edition Orange Fox 36, I'll be dropping a Push coil conversion in it. The two stage spring will be nice to have.
Just got a 170mm push conversion for my 2018 36!
Does anyone know what the difference is between the solo kit and dual position in terms of functionality. I have dual position Pikes but really don't use the dual position functionality, so if the dual position kit retains the dual position functionality can I buy and install the solo conversion kit instead or are there physical differences with the fork lowers?
Cheers
Just got a 170mm push conversion for my 2018 36!
Let me know how you get on with it! 🙂
Let me know how you get on with it!
I will do. I also have some factory Orange forks on order to drop it all into lol.
Great minds (or massive bling whores) think alike hey? What date have mojo given you for delivery? I've been counting down since last tuesday, since I put the deposit down.
I needed some new brakes, as I've wrecked two sets of deores now - I should really be running Zees or V4s. But who cares for coward levers!!!! I [s]wanted[/s] needed me some Orange forks....cuz....my shock springs orange!
Does anyone know what the difference is between the solo kit and dual position in terms of functionality.
The dual position 'version' is just because they add a solo air spring shaft in the package, nothing more. They both convert to the same functionality from different starting points. If that makes sense!
Thanks Neb. I spoke to the chaps at TF tuned and spontaneously ordered a kit. My Pikes were in dire need of a service anyway and I fancied a project, so i've got a kit winging it's way to me right now.
Ok guys, need a general opinion on this before throwing more money at my Pikes.
I bought a set of used pike forked 160mm 650b flavour a while back,
The damping was spiking so I sent to tf tuned and ended up having the full FAST upgrade done and had to have a new air shaft so already spent 300 on them.
To me they don't feel up to my bike in terms of performance (sb6c) and I'm considering selling them and getting a 170mm Lyrik.
I reckon with selling the pikes a Lyrik will cost me £350
What do we think will be a better fork for my bike in the alps
PIKE 160MM With FAST upgrade and coil conversion
Or
LYRIK 170mm stock fork (2017 model)
I don't want to spend more money on them if the chassis is the real issue here...
What's the crowd opinion?
I have a FAST Coiled Pike and my old man has a FAST Lyrik 2017. The FAST damping is superior to the standard Lyriks, where the Lyrik improves upon an older model Pike is how sesitive the spring is (the 2018 Pikes are closer in parity to the 2018 Lyriks in this regard) and stiffness.
My 160mm FAST Pike feels like it has a bit more grip and more midstroke support, however it has a racier feel and is slightly less comfortable than the Lyrik (partly do to the tune plus the increased midstroke support from the coil.... I think). It's a more sensitive fork though.
Personally, I'm not sure I'd bother upgrading to a fork without the HSC adjustment - it makes a huge difference, changing how quickly the fork opens up to use it's travel for bigger hits.
You don't say what your issue with the Pike is, your complaint is very non-specific so I can't say whether you would be happy with an upgrade.
ACS-3 Coil 170mm conversion shipped
Orange 36's still two weeks out
Arghhhhhh
Got my first ride in on my ACS336 the other day. It’s very nice. I went for the for,EE spring and am going to try the next one down with some preload. I do have to say though the 2018 36as a airsprung fork is probably the finest air spring I have used in a fork.
EE spring? The Green spring?
I went with the Green spring, at 181lbs without riding gear. What's your weight and which spring did you choose Rick?
I might order the Blue spring as well. So, do you think the 2018 air version is plusher than a Lyrik? How do you rate the 2018 coil against the 2018 air?
Bloody predictive text. Yes I have a black spring and should have a green spring tomorrow, I tend to hang off the back of my bike a lot which is something I’m working on so my spring weight is a bit strange!
You definitely notice the ACS cartridge ramp up on it, it’s very nice.
I’d say the air spring 36 is amazing, better damping control than a RS fork, very plush initial travel but very good midstroke support. It’s a better fork than the 2014-17 36, it’s just got less stiction and a lot nicer initial travel. I’d have left it air sprung but the elevensix out the back meant I had a coil sprung itch to scratch.
I'm going to write a proper, semi-legible review soon.
Well, Fox ****ed up and decided to move factory right when they decided to announce the race orange fork. So I quickly bought one of the last matte black 2018 RC2s in stock - good luck to anyone trying to source a Fox fork that's out of stock!
Anyway, out of the box the fork had about as much stiction as my old mans 2017 Lyriks - of course they hadn't bedded in.
So, I then dropped "go faster" 😆 ACS-3 spring kit in to a perfectly decent functioning fork and voided my warranty like any normal sane human being would do - and all I can say is this fork is bloody great. It's actually smoother than my coiled, FAST pike despite not having bedded in properly yet, so Kashima and that fangled new PTFE infused damper oil obviously works 😈 . The damping is not lightyears ahead, but it's more refined in comparison to the FAST damper. The FAST damper was better than the stock Pike tune (I had specifically asked for a firm race tune as well), it was firmer and less spikey in the rebound - however balancing High Speed support was a major weakness - with the recommended setting it was too harsh on square edged hits and with the high speed backed out enough to make it more comfortable it just collapsed into it's travel. The 36 by comparison feels as controlled in it's deeper stroke but feels more supple around the sag point.
With this said, when I was running my Pike with an air rear shock - it was a supple well balanced fork - the damping differences between the two forks really are quite subtle. The problem came when I went to a coil DHX2 on the rear and dropped a little bit of sag by speccing a slightly harder spring than recommended (I'm about 25lb oversprung). Previously, I'd balanced the more linear fork by sagging the rear shock more and adding volume spacers - what the DHX2 did was push the bike forward more and cause the Pike to smash through its travel on jumps. So with the ACS-3, the real icing on the cake is the two stage spring, that utilises air to separate the progressiveness from the main spring rate. I now have a coil fork that feels as bottomless as an air fork/shock on big hits - and it's ****ing amazing - the bike now feels balanced. I'm getting 20 percent sag (at 180lbs with no riding gear), with the Green spring - this compares to around 21-22 percent with the 160mm Pike. The 170mm Fox 36 ACS-3 is still more comfortable on fast square edged hits than the 160mm Pike despite the decreased sag, yet it handles big hit's and jumps in a more controlled fashion thanks to the dual rate coil/air spring.
It's not worth 1500 quid though - but whatevs.... YOLO. 😀 Fox need to buy out PUSH and offer this kit as a stock option for their forks.
I'll caveat all that though, it's bloody great because of all the fine details that it irons out in terms of ride quality. It's not going to give you 10 seconds more in terms of performance on a 3 minutes run, it might however if you're coming from air give you a smoother ride that is more controlled under braking and if you are coming from a coil fork it will give you that bottomless progression of air forks that induces you to attempt things that you may not otherwise.
Think of those buttery Marz 888's of yore and then your progressive Lyriks etc, and then imagine marrying those forks together - in sexy black, orange and gold perfection.
This is the first kit/fork that has achieved the best of both worlds from both air and coil forks, in one fell swoop creating a fork that I'm not sure is ever going to be bettered. PUSH should be commended for developing something for mountain bikes that is often seen in the motor racing world, that does actually have an impact on ride quality and performance. As opposed to the snake oil and marketing crap that we usually get sold in the mountain bike sphere.
Shame it has to cost so much to get to what I think should be standard for all forks., the Pike kit will be great when it comes out - for those of you who don't want to spend Ohlins motorbike fork kind of money.