[Closed] Classifieds.................the prices some numpties want..........

Its worth what someone is prepared to pay.

I know there is a second hand XTR shadow mech up for £90. They are currently £95 brand new from CRC.

Buyer beware...

held back on posting about some brake that were more expensive that merlin deal yesterday, some-one else didn't though...

What's the considered opinion about posting a 'thats too high' post on some-one elses classified's thread?

Feel free to make an offer if it's something you want. Otherwise, chill!

One H H is right, totally.

some people get all precious about it. Sod them.
I think its a public service to point out pricing daftness - this is a community for the benefit of all, not a scam market for someone to prey on the stupid or lazy.

Ton - I posted a similar thread last month
http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/prices-in-the-classifieds

It is a bit daft now what some people are asking - TBH I don't even bother looking there any more, It's not as if the stuff is actually selling either

Ton has rear my mind but braver than me as I thought I'd be crucifide.

Yep Buyer beware but some stuff is a rip off. But if someone wants to buy my xtr mech for £90 please email me :O)

I wouldn't pay more than half price for anything 2nd hand and anymore I might as well buy new with a warranty.

Car prices have shot up too in the recession someone is selling an X reg Escort 1.6 for £1600 115K miles...I would buy it anyway but a pal asked if it was a good buy. Hell no.

Thing is there is one person* who will come along and buy it as my Bro in law sold his car for twice the value-it took 6 weeks though and it was ono but they paid the asking price.

Just stay clear of the adverts if overpriced!

*=Numpty who can't use Google.

My personal favourite is the ratbike commuter which has been re-posted repeatedly claiming to be a "BARGAIN".

So many threads with only 1 posts (the original advert!) on classifieds these days.
It never used to be that way.

If I was to put something up and it was priced too high I'd be very happy if someeone pointed it out.
Even if it was a "WTF?" or "No chance at that price!"

I don't understand why people get ****ing annoyed when you do it.

The ebay mentality creeping in I think, ie if it's on ebay it must be a bargain, when most of us can do a bit of research to find out if it actually is.

You lot should try the belgian second hand market. If something cost 1000euro 10 years ago, but they've 'looked after' it, they still want at least 900euro back. Crazy I tell you!

I usually get accused of selling to low, but they way I figure it, the money id better off in my pocket than in my spares box for all eternity.

Some peeps sell high, other sell low, others don't sell. C'est la vie modern.

this is a community for the benefit of all, not a scam market for someone to prey on the stupid or lazy.

It's only an ad. Nobody is being forced to buy the stuff, so how's it a scam? I guess you're ok with people picking stuff up at silly low prices, are they scamming the sellers ( who are possibly "stupid or lazy")?

I think some people check what stuff goes on ebay for, but often forget is that selling on ebay results in around 10-20% loss in ebay listing/selling/paypal fees.

I think we should start naming and shaming on the classified, that way it might get back to its former glory!

The default reply to every item you feel is overpriced should be "your avin' a larff geeza!" Keep posting until the price drops to something civilized, then the default post of "nice one fella" should be entered.

In a couple of weeks folk should get the message 😀

I welcome people telling if I've overpriced something on the classifieds, some stuff I'm just not sure what sort of price I should ask so just guess at it. As with anotherdeadhero most of the stuff I sell is too cheap (most stuff I sell is to mates) but I just want the money rather than the bits sat in the shed and it means that a mate has the bit they need too

HoratioHufnagel - I think some people check what stuff goes on ebay for, but often forget is that selling on ebay results in around 10-20% loss in ebay listing/selling/paypal fees.

that makes no sense at all. regardless of what deductions have been made, some one is still buying it at that price. so that's what its worth.

I advertised a set of wheels once and someone pointed out that a similar set could be picked up from Merlin for the same price. I was thankful they did, I revised my thinking and ended up keeping them.

I am happy for anyone to say my prices are too high etc, what I think is reasonable may not be but sometimes you need a nudge!! as others say if you price too high you wont sell, nothing lost to anyone..

There was some 2006 fox 36 on the other day and he wanted £300 for them LOL
ive seen them sold for less than 150.

ok so lets clear up the classifieds.

Mister P - Member
I advertised a set of wheels once and someone pointed out that a similar set could be picked up from Merlin for the same price. I was thankful they did, I revised my thinking and ended up keeping them.

Had simmilar once but the person went on to say that if i sold them to him or half that price then he would do me a favour and take them. Mine were unused but taken off a bike so had priced them at a bit less than i could find them on CRC.

Car prices have shot up too in the recession someone is selling an X reg Escort 1.6 for £1600 115K miles...I would buy it anyway but a pal asked if it was a good buy. Hell no.

Thing is there is one person* who will come along and buy it as my Bro in law sold his car for twice the value-it took 6 weeks though and it was ono but they paid the asking price.

Just stay clear of the adverts if overpriced!

Value is where buyer and seller meet. Second hand cars have increased in "value" due to the scrappage initiative creating demand for new cars and the number of old cars on the market is reduced.

when i sell stuff, which is often, if it is a couple of month old and not had much use i knock a quater off the price i paid.
most of the time after that timescale i sell for half price.
i have never had a single complaint or issue with anything i have sold on classifieds.

I hate these threads makes me want to buy stuff. 😀

I've only paid asking price once cos I thought it was very fair for what I was getting. Any seller should ask a realistic price, but just because its second hand doesn't mean it should be dirt cheap. And it doesn't hurt the buyer to ask for a bit (or a lot) off if they don't think it is worth it. Some folk are embarrased to negotiate about prices, asking to pay less doesn't mean your tight!

asking to pay less doesn't mean your tight!

thats right never hurts to ask, I ask in a fair few shops I go in sometimes they can sometimes they can't sometimes we meet in the middle no one gets embarrassed

So Ton are you trying to tell me something 😉

Its the old tactic of starting high as you can always bring your price down if it doesn't shift, you can't put the price UP once someone has shown interest (well you can but it makes you look like a James Martin).

Agreed it needs to be around the right price to start with but most people are open to offers and if its stuff that doesn't come up that often it can be difficult to price correctly in the first please so you have to test the water.

I see nothing wrong with people telling others if stuff is overpriced compared to what you can get it for elsewhere as long as its in a constructive manner. To just come out and say "thats too expensive" is open to abuse by people just wanting something for nothing and hoping by saying it that the seller will bring the price down to a level below what it's worth.

As said above "buyer beware"

I find that I'll decide what an item is worth, by looking a new disounted and used prices, then set my price. If it sell on the classifides, then fine, if not it goes on Ebay.

I did this with my 575. Not much interest here then I got a bit more than the price I wanted on Ebay, taking fees into account.

The best one was my old 2004 Stumpy FSR frame. I wanted £200 (A fair price) so stuck it on here for £225. The best offer I got was £150 which I declined. I then sold it on Ebay for £354! The buyer collected and paid cash, too....
🙂

I managed a second hand/collectables store for two years and standard 'industry' protocol is to buy at a third of the value and sell at two thirds.

There were exceptions for items that retained their value through their being little to damage or go wrong and we did use Ebay as a median gathering tool in relation to what people were willing to pay.

I generally think two thirds of the RRP or bought price is a good starting point because then you can go back to a straight 50% reduction as a bargaining tool.

I was interested in buying a frame- mentioned I thought the OP's price was abit high considering what you can get it for. Which is fair as the OP said 'ONO' so I was preparing my case/what I thought.. and someone else (totally unconnected to the OP) stormed in with some dumb/wierd defence of the OP. Wasnt fair on the OP either.

As a rule though, 50% of what its currently selling for/unless its changed in design etc. But it must be of that years selling price, not 2007 Fox 36's using 2009's RRP. Different forks for a start.

Interms of 'offers'- theres a sensible offer (see above paragraph) then there is definitely lowballing (which is offering someone less than 50% of that items new price). All IMO of course.

z1ppy - Member

held back on posting about some brake that were more expensive that merlin deal yesterday, some-one else didn't though...

**waves** 😆

Dont think it was you? Cant remember their name though.

saw some used flatties on yesterday for £45. Thought ooh like the sound of them, stuck em into ebay and they are £55 including shipping new from far east. So I bought some new ones.

Probably not quite what the OP intended...

It wouldnt offend me if someone politely pointed out my error. I tend to google mail order houses to find cheapest possible new price, then go about half give or take on condition. Haggled a few quid off a saddle recently on the same basis-seller had found it on one site for X, I found it cheaper on another site, we agreed a price on that basis and I bought the saddle. I've paid full asking price if I think it is a fair price and I'd rather guarantee getting it than get into a bidding war and lose it for the sake of a few quid. Paid £55 for a hope pro2 front wheel. Saw one a week later for 50 quid. Did I lose any sleep? Nope.

About 30% off for each year of age seem to be ballpark.

Surely haggling is to be expected with second hand stuff? I'd haggle at a car boot sale so why not on the classifieds.

I always feel a bit cheeky haggling, but if you don't ask you dont get!

Anything I sell I price higher as people will haggle me down and I will be glad to lower the price, and anything I buy I try to get as cheap as possible... admittedly I've lost out on a few buys I would have liked 'cos I wouldnt pay the price, but hey ho, maybe next time...

£270 for a pike with a scratch on teh stanchions now!

This is a forum... so we should use it as such, its not Ebay, and people are not paying to advertise stuff. They shouldn't be profiteering from the site IMHO. So we should use it as a forum and comment on stupid prices, or even bargains. If anybody trying to sell stuff that is obviously over priced gets publically slated they won't carry on doing. Also if somebody keeps trying to sell the same thing incessantly at the same price, same thing applies.

Use it as a forum, and comment, and it will work better for everybody.

As a very occasional user of the Classifieds, I do find it difficult with pricing. Have put a load of stuff on there recently, some has been sold and I now realise that the wheels were a bargain 😳

Have no problem if people want to comment on my prices, I do try to be realistic but am always willing to listen to others 🙂

Whenever I've tried to sell I put what may be higher cos I always expect people to offer lower - its all part of the bargaining process (cos I don't know the market rate) and would generally accept 20% less, but happy to accept full price.

Just like buying a car - you never pay full price

However people rarely respond to my rarely posted ads.

I've just had Stompy let me know that he thinks my pricing was too high, and I'm glad he did it, with the awful search engine on here it's hard to find out what things are worth unless people make offers, and eBay prices are ridiculously inflated. Most of my prices on stuff are guesses?!?
Anyway my point is that people should be happy to be told that there stuff might be over priced, in most cases people appreciate the advice.

I've never had a problem selling stuff on the classifieds, but I try to pitch the price at something thats fair for all. If I think its fair and that it'll sell, then I'll politely refuse any lower offers.

Don't see anything wrong in other forum members pointing out if something can be had for cheaper brand new! As long as you don't get on your high horse about it...

Cough cough cough, splutter splutter splutter!!!!!!!

High horses and STW Forum 🙄

So, do you folks alert sellers that their asking prices are too low? (or just snaffle up any bargains?)

There's a lass at work got really upset the other day when a 'less than Brad Pitt' type started chatting her up.
How dare he.
He who dares.....

I've got half a Torq gel @ £2.49 (+ £3.99 P&P) - 50% lighter than the new ones. ONO.

I sold some cranks here 2 yrs ago and saw the same cranks by the buyer on here for twice the price lol.

I've seen stuff I've sold - re-advertised, with dodgy descriptions, at a profit - including a cracked road frame, that the buyer negotiated from me as a freebie. It reflects general life though doesn't it?
It's clearly not that hard to spot the wide boys.

zaskar thats a big problem too, so many w@nkers buying low just to sell high.
Can of worms opened!

so many w@nkers buying low just to sell high

I'm with you on this, but isn't it just like the retail trade?
The seller gets the price they agree and the buyer (albeit sometimes unwittingly) is happy.
I feel the same as Ton when I see 'designer' stuff in shop windows.

It's a fine line, that one. There have been incidents in the past where people have fairly clearly (imho) bought because it was a good price with intent to then resell at a later date; combine that with sales volume as well and it becomes (again imho) trading in bike parts rather than the bring and buy style that I think it should have.

Or at least, if people are just buying low to resell later and doing that over and over at least admit it and pay STW something for the free service.

Agreed, but let's keep it civil - this name and shame business is vigilante.

I once gave someone some old wheels (M525/mavic 223), who had asked on the classifieds for parts to build a budget bike. I felt I was acting in the spirit of the forum.
A few weeks later they showed up on the Ebay. I was unimpressed.

Paying too much?

This guy does really good prices!

[url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-know-iwh-aka-lee-anderson ]dodgy pri*k[/url]

On those Pikes.. I dont beleive sellers when they say 'Pushd 12months ago and not used for the last 7months'. They look well used to me. I think its borderline 'pricey'. If I was looking for Pikes (in that condition- **** the TF bit) I'd only offer 180 max. I sold a pair of air Pikes with a small blemish for 160.

Isn't the whole idea of getting forks 'Pushed' to modify the damping to suit a particular rider?

If so - they must be worth less than a standard pair as they'll need to go back to be set-up again to suit

How old are those forks? I paid £275 for a pair of 454's from lbs 2yrs ago.
How much are new stanchions though? Not sure on that scratch!

Anywaaay.

Should be a rule- classifieds is locked to new users making a post until they have made contributions to the other forums?

Should be a rule- classifieds is locked to new users making a post until they have made contributions to the other forums?

Or maybe people who never post anywhere else other than dealing on the classifieds?

http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/search.php?search=mike&advanced=1&exact=1&posts=1&highlight=1&users=778&located=0&forums []=0&maxcount=100&age=999999&direction=0&sort=date&order=0

Jeesus!

Oh well time to risk a flaming.......

Surely this is a free market economy on here. If someone wants to ask a ridiculous price for secondhand kit then why worry about it. It won't sell and does no harm to anyone. If you think it's more than you want to pay then don't buy it....fairly simple really.

I think there should be a limit to how many times you can post the same ad because there are certainly a number that I've seen over and over again with no modification. If it didn't sell the first couple of times at the excessively high price then it probably isn't going to sell no matter how times you post it.

Taka's overpriced Inbred and a Planet X hammerhead spring to mind on the above.

one guy now has seven (7) ads on the front page

I agree with Ken Shields- it's a free market economy. If I'm selling stuff whey shouldn't I try and get the most for it? Stuff [b]sells[/b] on here for a huge variation in prices- sometimes bargains, sometimes less so- if it's too much, fine- I think 'that's too much' comments should be restricted to occasions when the stuff is available new for less money.

If I want a part urgently then I'm normally prepared to pay more for it than if it's something I can wait for a couple of weeks for. If I'm in a good mood I might accept a cheeky offer for something, if not I'll hold out for more.

The way some of you are speaking there's a magic formula for determining what the sale price of something should be which is bullshit. If I try to sell a sh carbon full susser blingbike I'm sure that I'd lose a higher percentage of the new price than if I try to sell a rat 456 frame- and despite retail for those being £125 I've never seen one go for less than £80.

At the end of the day, it's worth what somebody wants to pay for it, and if the seller doesn't have much spare money he should be entitled to get the max he can for it, unlike, say, Ton, who says he has a large amount of disposable income to spend on on bikes.

one guy now has seven (7) ads on the front page

http://www.singletrackworld.com/forums/classified-rules/

No more than two ads from the same user on the front page at any one time or they will ALL be deleted.

Waits for a mod to do the business...

If someone has multiple ads- report them.

They're getting more exposure and know the rules. The poster should.

Same with the poster who is selling shedloads only- hes definitely a trade seller.

Edit- it looks like someone has!

Well weirdly enough since the "new" forum I don't even bother looking to the classified anymore (mostly because I am off the kingdom).
But prices have gone well up and what scares me more is the number of post from people that are not part of the "stw" community. I am not speaking of the very regulars, but people that only post on the classified. That I find it very dodgy.
So I'd rather miss a bargain than buy a stolen good.

What are your views on the Head French Ladee Ewen?

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Excellent point Juan. I have noticed this as well. I only buy from people who seem to be genuine members. Anyone who seems to be on the forum just for the classifieds I point out to the mods.

Ahhh... a local forum for local people. Just listen to yourselves!

When I advertized a set of RC31'S at half original price no one said OI Tinsy, theyre a bit cheap, just had 4 buyers queing within 10 mins...

Anything remotely cheap on there goes in seconds, and there is def a few people profiteering from it. (the forks went to good home I think though)

That said I also delt with a few exceptionally nice fella's when gathering bits for my wifes bike....

Only shame was it was knicked within a month, also make me worry about posting pics of nice bikes and dealing with addresses and stuff on here. (didnt worry me enough to stop hosting a pic of my new bike though, however I have taken Ton up on the offer of £5 an hour and pork pie gaurd duty offer). 🙂

one guy now has seven (7) ads on the front page

That would have been me then - Reason for so many ads was that I've split my bike and as I was giving pictures for every item, though it would be a good idea to 'group' things together.

Clearly I had not read the rules otherwise I would have known that the ads would get pulled and I'd wasted a lot of time linking all the pictures.

I sincerely apologise to all those who have taken offence to my actions - I can only hope this will deter you from coming after me with pitchforks ready to burn me.

Hora - you're the biggest timewaster going you bell. You're the king of over-pricing stuff

I've sold stuff so cheap it upsets me to think about it (my Morning Glory for one...) but thats the way things go. Fact is, if its over priced it won't sell. Seller either drops the price or keeps the kit.

i'll be the bell if you be the end. Ive sold forks recently for Pikes for 160 on here. everything I put on here sells. So it cant be that overpriced.....and I buy a helluvalot of stuff previously on STW (as I have a rep for getting new kit).

Whatever, I'd like to nominate Flange for having the best STW name.

I bought a set of forks of Hora, got loads of pics, an honest appraisal of their condition and they were here in no time and for what I felt was a good price so I think Flange's comments are a bit unwarranted.

Why is it such a big issue for people what stuff does or doesn't sell for.

Im NO expert but is this right pricewise?

http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/stumpy-for-sale-1

If you're not interested in buying then just STFU? It really is that easy! If you are interested in something and you think it's overpriced, kindly justify and offer what you're prepared to pay. You're less likely to piss someone off (maybe that was your plan to begin with) and cause a silly Internet arguement where you both end up looking like idiots. There's always a shop with a clearance offer on something that you might not be aware of. At the same time, sellers trying to sell something for £3 less than what it can be had from a retailer with a proper warranty, don't expect to have to much luck or get arsey when someone makes you a lower offer.

It's quite annoying to see some moron trashing someone elses thread when a) they're obviously not interested in an item and just being a nosey/contentious * or b) they want something for nothing.

Do the same people who make these sort of posts phone up crc/wiggle etc and tell them that their bike bits are a *ing rip off? Probably not, they'd just facelessly moan about it on the interweb forums

Personally I love the classifieds, saved about £500 over buying new on a fork/crank/front mech in the last couple of days, because those bloody retailers are such a damn rip-off 😀

It's quite annoying to see some moron trashing someone elses thread when a) they're obviously not interested in an item and just being a nosey/contentious ****

Totally agree. If your interested and one of the top hits on google is cheaper- then its fair to say 'Im interested but its x at so and so would you be open to an offer to reflect this'?

However if you say 'want £300 ONO' a response like '£100 mate?' is purely trolling rather than being reasonable.

hora, and if you start a post saying 'I'm no expert but is this right pricewise' and you've no intention of buying else you would ave said 'I'm interested, but...', then what's your interest- stirring up trouble?

I'm doubtful it's protecting the interests of those poor naive buyers out there with £800 burning a hole in their pocket...

If you're not interested in buying then just STFU?

I probably wouldn't chirp up if I saw something overpriced but if you don't want comments - stick it on ebay
STW is a discussion forum & as such is open to people discussing things