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Had always overlooked Cervelo as always thought they were fast aero race bikes only and I'm definitely a sportive/endurance geometry sort of guy, means I can at least spend a reasonable amount of time in the drops!
Anyway, was surprised at the reach and stack measurements ofvthe Cervelo R2 and R3, which are otherwise my ideal sort of frame. 605mm stack for 396mm reach is pretty upright I thought.
Any other flexibility-challenged types riding one of these frames?
I'll just leave this here, completely different frame but it makes you think about the quality of design elsewhere in the company..
Hmm, difficult video to watch, the guy isn't exactly a natural bornnpresenter!
Does he address the whole lightweight bike vs. crash damage aspect, e.g. perhaps that travel stop piece works fine unless you crash REALLY hard?
I've written off perfectly well designed components just by crashing them hard enough...
Thankfully the R2 and R3 are conventional enough designs
Yeah he can be a difficult guy to watch but by all accounts is just about as highly respectied as it gets when it comes to carbon manufacture, loads of videos on his channel of frames he has sliced in half to show just how bad some of the frames are on the inside.
I watched the whole thing and in his opinion simply carrying the bike and having the handlebars swing around to the stop could damage the frame to the point where it is written off.
As you point out (and as I said) it is a completely different frame design but if Cervelo consider that an acceptable solution to a steering block what other corners are they cutting on other models.? Add this to a certain Mr Hambini's opinion of Cervelo and it would certainly make me think twice..
#EDIT : Apologies for the topic hijack by the way, I realise that this is nothing to do with your original question, I just so happened to spot this video yesterday so it was fresh in my mind.
Fair enough, will do my research!
I think most manufacturers will have some skeletons in their closets, would need to research warranty back-up etc.
Would be more worried about funky bottom bracket standards to be honest, but given how limited the market is for decent lightweight rim-braked 'endurance' road bikes these days I guess there will always be some sort of compromise...
Oh yeah, rim braked is really going to restrict your options in this 'disc braked' new world order.
Having done some reading on similar subjexts recently, I'd restrict myself to either threaded or BB86 pressfit. Stay away from GXP as a rule and definately if pressfit, not sure about DUB but GXP was purely a patent avoidance exercise on SRAM's part and has some really stupid design choices.
Certainly a decent, trustworthy warranty is a good idea too.. Actually the more you think about it the more attractive a custom steel/Ti frame sounds.. 😀
I recently went with a kinesis aerhin - rim brake, endurancey geometry, 71 HA. Aluminium but I figured the weight penalty compared to CF is not worth worrying about. BSA BB.
Yeah, I always keep an eye on Kinesis but their definition of endurance geometry is quite different from mine, the Aethien is 3cm lower than the Cervelo for the same reach!
I’ve had a few Cervelos, due to the geometry suiting me. I ride 61cm frames as I’m a bit over 6”4.
Ive had zero problems with them, and I give them some stick!
I ride over 12,000 miles a year on them, done roubaix sportive twice, tour of Flanders, liege and Amstel sportives.
The bottom bracket gives no problems as long as you use a quality screw together one, I use the wheels manufacturing one.
currently own a r5 disc, c3 winter bike and a r3 rim brake.
Unfortunately you only hear about problems, never about the majority that don’t!
I would not buy a S5, the design is shocking!
Awesome, it would definitely be tasting some cobbles at some point, Paris-Roubaix and Flanders sportives very much on the radar, and we have some great training cobbles here in Edinburgh...
Could the R3 take bona fide 28mm tyres?
R3 will take 28 easily
loads of videos on his channel of frames he has sliced in half to show just how bad some of the frames are on the inside.
They are made to a cost and work fine, videos like this are a waste of time IMO
They are made to a cost and work fine, videos like this are a waste of time IMO
That's fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion, but everyone of the frames he looks at has come to him as a failure. A disturbing number of the faults he finds are due to poor manufacturing processes or design mistakes. For example, the BMC fork recall due to some idiot designing a fork steerer with sharp corners on it to make room for hidden cables/brakelines.
I think there is a value to manufacturers being called to account for easily avoided problems in the name of saving $2 off a frame/fork which costs them $150 to make and they then go on to charge the customer $4000 for.
frame/fork which costs them $150 to make and they then go on to charge the customer $4000 for.
Oh dear
I've had an R3, and now have the R3 disc. I'm around 6'2 and ride a 58. I don't have any headset spacers and find it comfortable enough for 100 milers and can get low enough on the drops.
It's only two frames but I've had no issues at all. Approx 7000 miles between the two (R3D was new last spring).