[Closed] Canyon question

They look like a pretty decent improvement over last years AM as they have 142x12 bolt thru rear, more hydroforming to get rid of some gussets and a slacker head angle. Very similar spec and price to last year but moved from DT Swiss to Mavic wheels which is good IMO. I'm after the AL+ 9.0 as it ticks most of my boxes but they all look good.

Where is your hire fleet based? I'd imaging you'd get a lot of business from people wanting to try them for size and how they ride before they buy.

EDIT: I see you're based in Spain.

Hi Neal. Thanks for that and I totally agree about the wheels. We're in the Sierra Nevada - Spain(puremountains.com)and our hire fleet does get thoroughly tested here as the trails are narrow, dry, rocky, fast and demanding. I'm also tempted by the CF as a guide bike for me but wonder if the carbon is up to it. Decisions,decisions!

Surely as a fleet operator, you'll be able to get other bikes at trade price.
In which case, the Canyon's main selling point is definitely reduced.

Not that I've ever run one, but I would have thought that for a hire fleet reliability and serviceability were more important than absolute performance. How quickly you get it repaired / replaced where you are if it goes wrong?

Am I barking up completely the wrong tree?

You may be Doc, as surely repairs to a MTB are generic, and the Canyons have components available worldwide, so don 't require any specialist spannering?

Surely if you're buying volume, you could go over to Canyon (pretty sure they're in Koblenz so fly to Cologne or Frankfurt or Luxembourg) and test ride

Interesting points, guys. I'm hoping our workshop can handle any issues that arise and as to the cost..the retail value of the Canyons are cheaper than many big brands available to us at cost! I guess our main concern is this: would a prospective client be less inclined to book one of our holidays if the bikes available were from an internet brand? What do you think?

Canyons are well-regarded in the UK and Germany, no clue about in other countries - where's your client base from?
It will be a while before the AL+ are delivered and even longer before any common issues are picked up (if there are any) so guess it depends on how long you can wait before buying the new fleet?

would a prospective client be less inclined to book one of our holidays if the bikes available were from an internet brand?

I'd guess it depends on what your competitors are hiring out and at what cost. When things go well with Canyon, my impression is that they're well regarded. If you can buy cheaper bikes or similar quality and charge correspondingly less for their hire, what's not to like?

I take my bike with me on riding holidays, but a mate does not. Depends on how likely you are to seriously injure yourself when you ride I reckon.

E.g: Holiday to somewhere where I'd ride XC all the time I'd take a punt on an entry level rental. Holiday to somewhere that's perhaps a once in a lifetime ride or has some pretty techy downhill then definitely my own bike, or they'd better have something I've heard of and would trust to ride when I'm there if I rent!

I reckon if you put pictures up and people see the kit on the bikes then they'll know they're good bikes. Few people in their right minds would put Fox forks and XT kit on a frame that was rubbish. Hopefully your customers are smart enough to realise this?

If it helps, I'd happily rent a Canyon. Tell me which company you're with. Will save me having to lug my bike on a Sleazyjet flight across the channel next time I'm on holiday!

P.S: Ah, just figured out whom you're with. I believe we did look at you when considering the next biking holiday, but the dates didn't line up. I'll definitely be back if you get some Canyons in though!

Honestly I wouldn't go on-line for a bike that is your livinghood. Too much to go wrong with very little resort but send the bike back and not be able to work.

Our reason for not choosing Canyon for rental bikes was re-sale value.

For me, the economics of bike rental don't add-up unless you can re-sell the bike at the end of the season for a reasonable price. Can't see that happening with a Canyon, as it's just going to depreciate massively as soon as it's ridden.

But if you buy another brand at trade price (say, for the sake of argument, 50% of retail price) then re-sell, you can probably recover most of your initial lay-out. Then for the actual rentals, you only need to make a profit on parts, brake pads, tyres, spannering-time, etc.

Very interesting point stevomcd. Anyone else think that the resale value of an internet bike depreciates by a higher percentage of it's value than that of a 'known' brand?

Actually, I think it's just possible that you'll get a higher percentage of your bike back in resale. I think punters, especially the eBay types, are likely to pay well for a known brand, and it is this price which will matter, rather than the imaginings of the cognoscenti. If you don't believe me, look at the resale value of Carreras and Boardman on eBay. I got £515 for a 3 year old Hybrid Pro, so a mate advertised his on the 'bay, hoping to clear that, and got a BIN offer of £650. That's on a 3 year old £800 bike. So, if joe public recognises XT, Fox etc as the mark of a good bike, he'll happily pay what the market stands. If that means the bike goes for a price no dissimilar say to a similar aged and equipped Zesty, then I for one wouldn't be surprised.

Simple fact is, Canyons are the highest spec of bike for the money at the moment. Therefore people will pay a premium for that, even 2nd hand. I see this only being a greater factor time and time again over the coming months/years. Look at the 2011/10 CUBE's, they hold good money as they're all XT specs where for the same price you'd get SLX at best on anything else.

IMO Canyons should do very well on resale.

Anyone else think that the resale value of an internet bike depreciates by a higher percentage of it's value than that of a 'known' brand?

Certainly not the case for Islabikes, but then they've got their corner of the market pretty well sewn up...

Ive recomended Canyon to all my mates that have got intrested in biking after taking them out on my spare bike, one lad is just getting his from an ebay win and the other is buying direct.

I think there excellent top spec bikes, the frame costs over a grand to buy alone all the parts are from major companys and as there a direct company any problems well there there direct. The guys saying oh there might be a problem who do you call well its not like Trek are in my back yard, you would have a better result at getting it sorted with a Canyon than if I tried bothering my LBS about my Trek

I would prefere to ride a high spec bike than a crap spec with a badge I reconise, i'd say do it and put the saved money into improving other things.

Good luck with your purchase and Ive noted your site and hopefully come out and ride in the future with your company