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[Closed] brake flutter, do i need burly forks?

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ive got a set of fox float 140 rl's with qr15 and the tapered headtube thingy. nice enough forks and all that but they do flutter a bit under heavy braking. ive checked all the other possibilities; brakes, hub, bushings, headset etc and i think it can only be the fork. would a set of revs with a 20mm axle be any stiffer or do i need to go back to a set of 36's spaced down to 140mm?

I know, mtfu and all that, but when im boom-gnarring it up to the sick-rad its a bit off-putting...


 
Posted : 20/05/2011 12:57 pm
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I don't think a 20mm axle would make that much difference over a 15mm personally, not as much as larger stanchions would make anyway.

Do you "need" burly forks? Depends how important this is to you. I used to get on fine with an old set of 2001 Marzocchi Z1's at 130mm travel, really plush fork. But as soon as I rode a set of Fox's (ironic in this context) with 32mm stanchions, I couldn't go back as I then noticed how flexy the Marzocchi's were all the time... This was a number of years ago by the way.

How heavy are you, and what brakes (and rotor size) are you running, as both could be a very contributing factor too...


 
Posted : 20/05/2011 1:28 pm
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What brake rotors do you use? IME, pretty much anything that isn't properly circular can result in pretty catastrophic flutter.


 
Posted : 20/05/2011 1:29 pm
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clean the discs?

check it's not warped?

a spot of oil, or a warped disc, can cause fluttery/juddery braking.


 
Posted : 20/05/2011 1:47 pm
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I've found that Fox 15mm forks are not as stiff as 20mm RS forks, although it never bothered me. I'd suggest trying (beg/borrow/steal) some with a 20mm axle and see what you think and failing that do what you say and go for reduced 36's.


 
Posted : 20/05/2011 1:54 pm
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What brake rotors do you use? IME, pretty much anything that isn't properly circular can result in pretty catastrophic flutter.

Actually, that's a very good point. Had some A2Z sawtooth rotors a couple of years ago, they caused constant braking pulses almost as if you'd braked too heavily in a car (probably Audi) causing the ABS to kick in and pulse the pedal.


 
Posted : 20/05/2011 1:58 pm
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Clean and lube your brake pistons if you haven't already. Mine were rubbish, lazy piston at fault.


 
Posted : 20/05/2011 2:02 pm
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Fox 32's are the least stiff forks fore-aft ime, esp. the 140s, but not to an extent where it's an issue, you just notice when swapping between them and rebas, revs or DT.


 
Posted : 20/05/2011 2:06 pm
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Sand down the disc - could have uneven deposits of pad material


 
Posted : 20/05/2011 2:11 pm
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I found that my Magura Julie brakes fluttered loads. I inquired about this to Magura UK and they said that the wavy disc could be the cause.

My Magura forks used to judder a fair bit under hard breaking.

Don't get it on my RS forks.

It was evident riding rigid so I went down a rotor size.

Problem solved/hidden ๐Ÿ™‚


 
Posted : 20/05/2011 3:14 pm
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The brakes are formula's, I'll try that though, ta


 
Posted : 20/05/2011 4:25 pm