I took my bike in to the lbs on saturday as it was well overdue 'fixing': the damage:
One broken and several bent spokes (dunno how or when that happened 😕 )
New cassette (Deore)
New middle chainring
New chain
New rear gear cable
Service of rear hub, its making noises it shouldn't(poss. new one, Deore)
New jockey wheels for XTR mech
A creak with each pedal stroke, could be cranks but I suspect its a suspension pivot point issue (had a problem with it a while back)
So what do you reckon that lot (plus labour) will set me back? Do I need to go and see the bank manager? I'm reckoning about 150 quid...??
You could do it all yourself for a lot less than what the bill will be..
You didn't get a quote/estimate?
But I'd have to buy all the tools (eg. chainwhip, lockring tool etc etc), order all the right 'matching' parts (what do all the numbers mean 7600, 6600??), do the job myself using a manual I'd have to buy, then take it to the lbs to sort out the mess I've made. 😐
EDIT: cynic-al : I forgot to ask 😳
If you've got a bike shop that'll do all that, including a hub service and dismantling suspension pivots and a whole new transmission for £150 you want to stick with them!
Not quite a whole new chaindrive: I'm keeping the granny and big rings!!
A lot more than 150 I'd say
£150 - you must be joking. it's not 2007 any more!! double it.
Hahahaha £150 you Jockey wheels for XTR like for like will be £35 before fitting.
deore cassette & XTR rear mech combo???
I had a new chain ring, cassette and chain replaced on my road bike recently and that cost me £120 for parts and labour.
Free hub serviced on my MTB cost me £50.
That was with discount too so I'd guess £150 is way off.
Peachos no one was mentioning that, you know it's like when you see a pretty girl with a big spot on her face. Everyone is laughing at it quietly but it's rude to point and laugh.
One broken and several bent spokes: Spoke + wheel true = £20
New cassette (Deore)= £25
New middle chainring = £20
New chain = £20
New rear gear cable : Cable plus indexing = £20
Service of rear hub/new hub = £35
New jockey wheels for XTR mech = £35
A creak with each pedal stroke, could be cranks but I suspect its a suspension pivot point issue = grease pivots/pedals = £5
Labour = £75
Total = £255
That list reads like a happy couple of hours in the workshop. You really should learn to work on your own bike. Yes, you'll need to make a small investment in tools, but it's a one-off rather than repeated costs for shop labour. Take a look at my bike blog ([url= http://steveukmtb.wordpress.com/ ]link[/url])and see if any of it appeals to your inner-wrench.
You've got, with a conservative estimate and without a new hub and wheel build, at least £100 in parts alone, although they could easily be more than twice that. Doing it yourself would allow you to shop around for less-than-RRP deals, which can easily work out to savings of as much as 50%.
Depending on the parts used, you could be looking at as much as £350 to get that lot done.
New jockey wheels for XTR mech = £70
**** me which shop do you use that charges double?
They have got cheaper, the top one alone used to be about £35.
Deore cassettes weigh a ton, actually 1000kg of cassette. XT saves about 200g for £20!
New jockey wheels for XTR mech = £70**** me which shop do you use that charges double?
Err, oops. Think the rear hub service/possible wheel rebuld would be more expensive though
They don't need to rebuild the wheel to be fair, just swap all the internals out of a donor hub, we used to do it all the time.
Aye probably and more for labour too maybe.
There's a lot to be said for home mechanics, so what you have to buy the tools you only do that once.
Just to counter the 'will cost more' comments and admittedly nothing like the same scale, I had a new XT cassette spacer, lockring and complete retune of my indexing and tightening of freewheel and hub bearings (the whole thing was trying to abandon wheel) carried out by Jon at Bicycle Smithy in Hazel Grove. I reckoned about £30 if I was lucky probably more. Actual charge was £7:00! I was stunned in a very good way.
I'd be calling the bike shop up now if I were you, hoping they hadn't done the work, and asking for it back. Even if there's stuff on there that you didn't feel comfortable doing, and you didn't want to invest much in tools, you really should do the following yourself. Easily halve your bill and, parts'll be a lot cheaper from crc, merlin etc..
New Cassette - sure you'll need a chainwhip and locknut remover but they cost f*all
New middle chainring-
New chain- just cut it to the same length as the old one
New rear gear cable- diy, try and do the indexing yourself- if you can't get it right, get the shop to do it
Jockeys- a few minutes with an allen key
Creak - as others say, a tub of grease.
That just leaves the hub and spokes for the shop....
Monksie £7 the parts are more than if they replaced them so not sure how that would work. Can only see that they tweaked and tightened things up but for £7 that's still worth it really.
There is only one solution. It's time for a new bike.
Free hub serviced on my MTB cost me £50
**** me! Cost me an hour of my time (first time I've done it) and about £1.50 worth of cleaner and grease to do it myself. The only tool required was a chainwhip I got in a £30 bike tool kit that I've had for about 10 years.
To the OP, unless you are rich in money but poor in time then why not learn to do the job yourself. The only bit of work that is remotely tricky is truing the wheel so even if you do the rest yourself you will be saving a small fortune and you will have the tools to do the job if you need to again. If you have any tech queries about how to get a job done there is loads of info and video on the internet which some kind soul will probably give you a link to if you ask.
I had a new XT cassette spacer, lockring and complete retune of my indexing and tightening of freewheel and hub bearings
So they tightened your cassette and nipped your hub lockrings up? That's 10 minutes work at most, £7 is good, but it's not a lot of work!
Free hub serviced on my MTB cost me £50
What I meant to say was it was a replacement. It was a DT Swiss one and it was completely shot.
+1 for learning how to do it yourself. I managed and I'm a girl 😀
Hub service and wheel build/true I'd pay for, but everything else I can manage myself.
You don't need the book - just [url= http://www.parktool.com/repair/ ]http://www.parktool.com/repair/[/url]
Well I spent close to 5 hours in my garage Sunday morning:
1.Setup 2 tubeless wheelsets (taking photos for maintenance articles)
2.Service front and rear Pro II hubs and converted to 9mm and 10mm (inline with my other bikes)
3.Seal service on my Talas forks
4.Cleaned 2 bikes
Reckon I'd save myself a packet on maintenance costs - Cahin whip and other tools would not cost you £75 - so you'd be quids in there 🙂
Labour = £75
You could buy a chainwhip, BB tool, cone spanners, grease, a spoke-key and a chaintool for that. Then you would be a bit more self sufficient!
Seriously, Park Tools website will tell you everything you need to know, and this forum will tell you everything you don't need to know, and if all else goes wrong your LBS will bail you out if you pay them.
I'd have thought the new shiny red casette ring and new shiny silver lockring would have cost more than that but no, £7. I insisted on paying more.
Njee- you want me don't you? It's Ok to want me.
Go back and read it again. In fact, I'll cut and paste it just for you:
[i]I had a new XT cassette spacer, lockring and complete retune of my indexing and tightening of freewheel and hub bearings[/i]
See that? What you said [b]and[/b] some new parts.
Xx
Cycle Surgery.
Bought chain PG971 - £26
Cassette - PG980 - £61
I nearly swore. But I needed them, so paid up.
Hope your LBS is cheaper than that, headfirst.
Internet shopping only for me from now on.
Yes I realise that, but it's still a very quick job with some bits out of the spares bin! They do you a good deal so you go back, everyone's a winner! They're not going to do that on a service, new transmission and suspension rebuild!
What I meant to say was it was a replacement. It was a DT Swiss one and it was completely shot.
That's a bloody good deal if it was a DT 240? They're about £60 normally, admittedly a 30 second job to swap, but still.
Monksie sounds like they used spares bin bits a lock ring and spacer is more than £7 but they sorted you for a good price anyway.
OP here.
I've been surprisingly/annoyingly busy so haven't had the chance to check back earlier...Think I'll call in the shop on the way home, ask for an estimate and then probably retrieve my bicycle and give this DIY lark a bit of a go...what's the worst that can happen???
What do people think to quirrel's recommended tool set? Anything else worth considering? I don't want to spend shitloads ( <£50) to then learn that I have no mechanical nouse whatsoever.
And re. the XTR mech and deore 'combo': you can see the 'XTR' on the mech but you can't see it on the cassette or the hub. 😉 I'm not a weight weenie, more a money weenie. 😕 Its like for like (factory-fitted)
that tool kit look like it has everything you will need
If you've got absolutely nothing in the way of tools then that looks like it's got all you need for the jobs you'll be doing - probably a few extraneous bits but good enough to get you going... except the site says it's not available at the moment from UKBS! [EDIT]But [url= http://www.dotbike.com/productsP1291.aspx ]DotBike[/url] have it in for similar money - and you can get some BBB jockey wheels from them too[/EDIT]
Another approach might be to get a half decent multi tool with chain splitter on it plus a bog standard cassette tool & BB tool (that's probably the creak you've got).
BREAKING NEWS:
The shop's just called me, and suggested I get a whole new wheel as it works out about the same as a new freehub and spokes, I asked if he'd call me back and give me a quote for all the work doing. A minute later he called and said.....
£195.
I told him to go ahead. It is the first time the bike's needed that much work doing on it in the five years I've had it. (Its spent the last year languising in the garage as I'd caught the road bug). So there we are, helping to keep my lbs in business.
Thanks for all the advice, will prob get round to tooling up in the future, but not just yet...
PS: Might get the toolkit now anyway, with all the money I've saved by not taking it your more expensive bike shops...
cool, they get the work now and you get to break yourself into bike maintenance slightly more gently..
What do people think to quirrel's recommended tool set? Anything else worth considering? I don't want to spend shitloads ( <£50) to then learn that I have no mechanical nouse whatsoever.
Only thing I haven't been able to do so far with that toolkit was press in a headset (strangely enough)
I've got the mechanical knowledge of my big toe and so far have had great fun putting my bike together and tinkering with it and the other two bikes.
For 32 quid it was a bargain, compact and sits in my boot.
