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You've clearly had some issues and I'm guessing you really do look after your bike, so that is a bit of a worry.
Well yes and no, I wouldn't go as far as 'issues' as such, not least because it was remedied with new cables, which is pretty routine anyway. But it had needed a lot of fettling to work acceptably well (but no better) on a couple of rides, and then it just went to pot and was rubbish!
Is Shimano really better on reliability? Much of a muchness in my own experience.
I found it more consistent and less needing of regular attention personally, based on XX (which I used for a year) versus M980 XTR (which I used for 3 years). Plenty of people would disagree though, I think there's a personal preference thing in there as I do think they're quite different in feel anyway.
XX1 has definitely needed more attention to stay working well, and that's on a hardtail where I'd expect it to need less - better cable runs etc. However, as said, I was using some lightweight gear outer, which probably exacerbated the problems. Will revert to SP41 with XTR I suspect.
[i]For 9/10ths of my riding I'd be fine, for that 1/10th I'd be throwing the bike into a tree and walking home I was kind of over it by the end of the glentress seven... [/i]
But there wasn't anything steep enough to need a granny in this years' GT Seven
Why are people paying near £200 for a cassette ? it is crazy.
The same reason that they pay over £3000 for a frame, or £800 for a single rim, or £400 for a pair of shoes, or £500 for a handbag.
Because they want to. You don't have to. Not sure why it's crazy though? Just not your choice.
b r - MemberBut there wasn't anything steep enough to need a granny in this years' GT Seven
The first time, aye, but after 50 odd miles of going as quickly as I can, it got a tad wearying. I would have shed blood for a 42T going up the field for the last time, or up the steep road, or up past the freeride, or in fact up anything steeper than a descent 😆
Which is kinda ironic, because I had one in the garage, I just didn't fit it because I'm lazy
Adsh, I ran XO 2x10 on my 16" spearfish with XX mech up front and it all worked spot on. Still got the front mech in as near new condition too if you're looking for one!
X01 rear mech was not returning as if the return spring has gone weak, stripped all the pivots down and washed out all the grit and dirt with GT85, but still no joy. So decided to shorten the spring with some pliers and choice swear words, bit of a bitch to put back together but now returns with a nice clunk like a Shimano rear mech - result!
Think I might change over to Shimano next time they have some XTR 11spd mechs and shifter on special offer 🙂
My XTR mech and shifter have arrived - shifter has a far more positive click than 10 speed XTR (Northwind will be pleased). Can't see any accidental double shifts as with previous versions. Will fit them tomorrow.
Fitted XTR 11 speed mech and shifter on my Nomad with a XX1 cassette a few weeks ago now. Feels great and better feel than the XX1, operation is perfect as well.
X01 rear mech was not returning as if the return spring has gone weak, stripped all the pivots down and washed out all the grit and dirt with GT85, but still no joy. So decided to shorten the spring with some pliers and choice swear words, bit of a bitch to put back together but now returns with a nice clunk like a Shimano rear mech - result!
I had a similar issue with a mech like this, I tried everything (even with no cable fitted it wouldn't shift down the block).
When I spoke to SRAM it was a known issue, something to do with the mounting pivot seizing, the clutch being knackered & a weak spring.
They just chucked it in a bin & gave me a new one. I think I might swap my stuff over Shimano & just run it with an XX1 cassette in the future.
njee20 - Member(Northwind will be pleased).
Ta! Still want to try some out but that's good to know.
So a top end groupset is improved by switching to another manufacturer's top end shifter and mech? What a bargain!
My XTR mech and shifter have arrived - shifter has a far more positive click than 10 speed XTR (Northwind will be pleased). Can't see any accidental double shifts as with previous versions. Will fit them tomorrow.
Really looking forward to hear how this goes, as I'd be inclined to go for this setup on my new build rather than all out SRAM. Do you need a rad cage or similar to help the mech get up to 42 or does it supposedly work fine as standard?
My M9000 shifter and dérailleur have also just arrived to be fitted to a X1 cassette, looking forward to trying it out tomorrow.
Bit gutted the XD driver body for Crossmax wheels isn't in stock anywhere until middle of Jan so I'm going to have to live the with the chunky Stan's wheelset that came with the bike.
Shimano all the way, I'll be swapping out spam x0 for 11speed xtr.
Much prefer the feel of shimano shifters and the double click system
Really looking forward to hear how this goes, as I'd be inclined to go for this setup on my new build rather than all out SRAM. Do you need a rad cage or similar to help the mech get up to 42 or does it supposedly work fine as standard?
I'm hoping not... We shall see tomorrow I guess!
Really looking forward to hear how this goes, as I'd be inclined to go for this setup on my new build rather than all out SRAM. Do you need a rad cage or similar to help the mech get up to 42 or does it supposedly work fine as standard?
No you don't need anything other than a XTR mech and shifter. I've had it fitted for over a month now and it's been spot on. Far nicer shift than Sram, I've just bought another mech and shifter for my other bike.
Rick Draper - Member
Really looking forward to hear how this goes, as I'd be inclined to go for this setup on my new build rather than all out SRAM. Do you need a rad cage or similar to help the mech get up to 42 or does it supposedly work fine as standard?
No you don't need anything other than a XTR mech and shifter. I've had it fitted for over a month now and it's been spot on. Far nicer shift than Sram, I've just bought another mech and shifter for my other bike.
Rick, how is the chain retention with the XTR setup. With SRAM i have never lost a chain even on the very rough stuff. I have always preferred Shimano shifting over SRAM and i am tempted by this set up.
Not dropped a chain riding exactly the same trails as I did with my XX1 mech but you can hear the chain rattling around more so I might tighten the clutch a little bit.
a top end groupset is improved by switching to another manufacturer's top end shifter and mech? What a bargain!
More prospect of trickle down to reasonable price level within a year or two with shimano though.
And then I guess they'll make an 11-40t cassette, which could be modded to 10-42t?
I have decided to go full shimano 1x11 - the xx1 cassette plus xd body proved a tad expensive for a small increase in range.
Will report after 1st ride tomo.
Well, after a muddy ride in the Surrey Hills, I can report the new XTR drivetrain works, and works really well.
The good points:
- shifting is very precise, the upshift in particular. My 10 speed XTR often double shifted up, which was a tad annoying, not the case with new XTR
- The drivetrain is almost silent
- Stood up well to mud and grit, despite me running summer lube (squirt)
The bad point:
- The clutch lever is a pain and will break very soon
Im happy with some extra range as my 1x36 in the winter was hard going.
Good to hear the positives, not so good to hear about the clutch. Does it feel flimsy? Also what's the warranty on shimano kit?
I used my XXXTR1 setup today (as I'm calling it). Very impressed. The XTR shift is far better than the SRAM IMO, much snappier and less vague, particularly in the middle of the block. Very light, but with a defined click, more so than M980s. Nice positive downshift too. I'm happy. Didn't use the 10 or the 42, but on the stand it happily Shifted into both (GS cage mech).
Clutch was fine, bike was silent
XTR sounds good, although 20 miles around Grizedale this weekend with the modded X01 worked OK, guess I'll put up with it a while longer 🙂
Can you guys mixing and matching post a full list of bits please? I've lost track!
I'm using:
- XX1 chainset/chain/cassette
- XTR M9000 shifter and GS rear mech
Works very well. Will change to an Absolute Black spiderless chain ring in the spring.
Great - keep us informed of 10t and 42t performance.
It's fitted to a hardtail, so no reason to think it will work any different IRL to on the stand! But yes, will update.
Saved a tiny bit of weight too - XX1 rear mech was 244g, XTR was 222g. XX1 Grip Shift was 89g, XTR was 104g, grips were exactly the same as I went from Chunky to Racer's Edge ESIs. So a whopping 7g saved. Will fit alu clamp bolt into the shifter at some point for pimpyness, probably take me to a monstrous 10g saved.
every little helps njee - im nursing a hefty 110gram gain in the rear cassette, changing from an XX 11-36 to an XTR 11-40!
Should've gone for the XX1 cassette then, cheap weight saving despite the extra expense 😉
I have one lot fitted on a 2015 Nomad and I am fitting another lot on a Solo.
I using the following parts:
XX1 Chain and Cassette,
Raceface Sixc cinch crank and narrow wide ring,
XTR M9000 Shifter and Rear Mech.
Working spot on with no issues at all and I have a fair few miles on it now.
I'm using
XX1 Cassette, Chain, Cranks (30t), mech.
X01 Shifter
I find it absolutely faultless. Only think i fancy changing is to a spiderless chain ring and to drop to a 28t to avoid using the 42t so much.
The thing is if this works so well why would anyone buy the shimano 11-40 cassette (or front mech) ?
I'd have tought shimano would have managed to work in some sort of incapability myself.
Am I right when I say you can use the Shimano 11 speed cassette without changing your hub driver body because the cassette is the same length as a 10 speed?
Anywhere selling a 1x11 XTR groupset with brakes?
Curiousyellow
Correct, you can use an 11 speed cassette with a 10 speed hub.
I have a brand new 11 speed cassette and shifter for sale if interested.
Duplicate gift!
The thing is if this works so well why would anyone buy the shimano 11-40 cassette (or front mech) ?
Cheaper, particularly if you already have a hub, think this is particularly prevelant with people assuming that by the time they replace they'll have the option of XT cassettes at £60 or so. Daft otherwise though IMO, the range on the SRAM one really is significantly better.
Guys, just looking online at the Shimano 1 x 11. What cage length rear mech are you running and have you kept the same chain length as with the SRAM set up.
Ta
GS mech, I have kept chain the same as with SRAM, but I could shorten it by at least one link, possibly two, didn't want do so until I was happy it was going to work!
It's not doubled up on itself in the 10, so I wasn't hugely worried.