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I've built up my 456 and i'm very happy with it but can't quite get the position right, tried different stems and saddles, moving bars and saddles etc. But always end up with shoulder and lower back pain.
Finally i think i've nailed it by experimenting with bar height, i raised the stem so only the bottom bolt was actually on the steerer tube, obviously the headset was all over the place but i sat on it and rode once round the garden and could really feel the difference.
The forks where second hand and the steerer cut quite short so i can't simply move it all up. the solutions i can see are: 35 deg rise stem or stem riser
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Handlebar-stem-raiser-fits-steerers/dp/B0039Z6ANO/ref=pd_sim_sbs_sg_3
the riser i like the idea of beacuase i can adjust and move spacers about but 212 grams is alot and i'm a bit worried about abusing it in wales... and the 35 deg stems i have never seen on a trail bike so am wondering if they have any issues.. obviously i'd like to avoid having to get new forks as i like the ones i have..
Any advice would be great as it is almost putting me off riding it...
I already have 50mm risers on it aswell
no idea how fit you are, but at the start of the year I was getting terrible lower back pain, it was a fitness issue though, just had to grin and bear it through it. sorted now.
I don't think it could be, I've been riding alot, 20 mile round trip to work 2-3 times a week plus 2 or 3 proper off road rides. 100 mile sportive last weekend and an enduro a few weeks ago. About as fit as I'll ever be!
Too many people always think it's the bike. Shoulders could be bike position, but lower back is more often then not due to a weak core. You may be reasonably fit for riding but without a strong core to cope with the amount of riding then you will suffer in that area.
Core exercises will help strengthen the muscles thus minimising muscle fatigue.