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but it would seem odd that a rim would be designed not to work with tubes?
Stans work by having a shallower rim bed to hook dist/depth than std rims and that helps UST tyres seal. It also makes seating a normal tyre and a tube a PITA in many cases ime. The tube doesn't apply even force to the tyre there in the same way as air does in a tubeless system. Maybe a very thin, well talced tube would work, but a normal one on a tyre with a load of dried sealant inside, unlikely. They're not really designed to work with tubes unless it's a better option than a cut tyre that won't seal.
I've got Flows and Maxxis or Conti USTs to seat with a tube in using a bit of dry lube but it's one of those things rarely needed, just for those occasional cuts that will flat any type of tyre.
Hey Jules, if you decide to sell the wheels, give me a shout - I might be after a pair.
My Hope hoops run on stans. I can remove and fit with one sweep of a maxxis tyre lever in seconds! NBT- sure you haven't flatted your rim at somepoint- turned the rim over itself slightly on rocks?
I dont run wire bead double ply though, only folding EXO's.
I can remove and fit tyres with my thumbs, I don't even need a lever - that's not the issue, it's getting the beads to seat when inflating that I have issue with. I accept of course that's it's entirely my fault for doing it wrong and using tubes on a tubeless only rim (althoug you can of course run a tube purely as a get-me-home fix).
I've been offered a couple of different 29er tyres to try both for fitting and for whether I like the tyres, so I'll see how they go before getting spendy on new wheels I think
I run tubes too- although I'm on 26'er so maybe different.
It's not a problem on the 26 flows - but the crests (26 and 29) can be properly stubborn
nbt - MemberI accept of course that's it's entirely my fault for doing it wrong and using tubes on a tubeless only rim,
Where did you get that from? There's no such thing as a tubeless only clincher.
[quote=Northwind dijo]Where did you get that from? There's no such thing as a tubeless only clincher.
being a bit melodramatic, perhaps 😈
but reading through this thread, all I can see is people who haven;t rea the OP and are telling me how to seat tubeless tyres, or people saying I'm wrong for using tubes on a rim designed for tubeless
In a more serious vein, this post
[quote=jameso dijo]
Stans work by having a shallower rim bed to hook dist/depth than std rims and that helps UST tyres seal. It also makes seating a normal tyre and a tube a PITA in many cases ime. The tube doesn't apply even force to the tyre there in the same way as air does in a tubeless system.
does suggest that Stans rims are primarily designed to work tubeless - not to work with tubes as a default then improved to work tubeless
Arch EX 29 with Ardent 2.25 (summer) and Beaver 2.25 (winter), both tyre types fitted with tubes and no issues whatsoever?
Only ever needed levers to get the tyres off, will go on fine just with fingers once the bead is in the center of the rim channel. The Ardents "pop" on nicely I think the Beavers didnt but I deflated them to check the bead was properly located all the way round and been using them for over 8 months without issue.
Just you.
To back my point about Stans rims design and tubes, that 'pop' doesn't happen when using tubes on std Mavic rims - it's the rim hook dims that makes that happen and it's the same thing that means other tyres with a fraction smaller bead diameter sit with a wobble. Or, tubes just don't have the even pressure to pop it into place.both tyre types fitted with tubes ..... The Ardents "pop" on nicely
Stretch them out a bit with another rim and higher pressures, use some moto-x bead cream, it'll help as it's very small tolerances that make a difference.
jameso - MemberTo back my point about Stans rims design and tubes, that 'pop' doesn't happen when using tubes on std Mavic rims -
It can- I've had it with at least some of my mtb rims, couldn't tell you which ones but probably the 717s or 721s. And my Open Sports definitely do it
In general it's normal for TL rims and not normal for std hook rims, based on dimensions of the TL rims, was more the point. Never had it on any std rims here that I rememeber but surely it can happen with the right tyre and rim combo, they all vary enough.
Tried getting a road tyre onto a deep rim??? Fack!!!