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Light = Fast BUT fast does not always = Fun.
Yep, that's why fat people have the most toned bodies of all, and as a general rule can run and cycle just as fast as thin people and never get out of breath ...
not toned, because toned is due to muscle being able to be seen through the skin, if there's fat between them the size of the muscle isn't going to make a difference.
e.g. if you want a six pack the best way is to lose fat, not gain muscle.
I think anybody who really thinks that human body has a constant fat-to-muscle ratio needs to log of the Internet now and meet some real people
I never said there was a constant ratio between them, but that doesn't mean there isn't at least *[i]some[/i]* relationship.
i.e. power to weight ratio usually goes down with obesity, but absolute power (i.e. irregardless of weight) goes up.
Therefore if you neck a KFC bargain bucket and gain 100g of fat, you might also gain an amount of muscle needed to power an extra 20g of you along. You still shouldn't have done it, because you're still *[i]effectively[/i]* an extra 80g heavier, but losing 100g off your bike more than compensates for it.
If fat people never grew more muscle as they got fatter then you'd never see any fat people as they'd never make it out of bed without collapsing.
The other obvious argument against "you'd be better off losing 100g off your body than off your bike" is that you could, of course, do both.
If fat people never grew more muscle as they got fatter then you'd never see any fat people as they'd never make it out of bed without collapsing.
True, but the muscle power required for a fat person to get out of bed is not the same as the muscle power required for a 10 mile TT.
Take an obese person, give 'em liposuction and stick em on a bike and they would still be horrendously unfit. Sure, they'd be able to find the remote control and trot along to KFC ok, possibly do a few low repetition excercises at high intensity, but they would be terrible at anything cardiovascular or with a moderate rep rate such as running, cycling, rowing etc.
There is a more complex issue here bonj with body type and metabolism. I think that people who gain muscle easily are also prone to gain fat. I think this could be down to their metabolism and their consequent eating habits. There are many blokes out there who are fat, but really strong, and in fewer cases also fast up hills.
I have hardly ever (if ever) seen such a bloke on the start line of an Elite race tho. Anyone know any big elite racers?
[i]In the meantime, hoiking the 2kg+ wheels around means I'm getting fitter. And better. Give me a sub-20lb machine, and I'll burn you all! [/i]
Apart from obliviously, the bloke who's fitter than you and already rides a 20lb bike....
You can ride a heavy bike slowly, or a lighter bike faster and get the same workout. In other words, you push yourself as hard as you are willing to push yourself - the weight of your bike is not a factor.
I never said there was a constant ratio between them, but that doesn't mean there isn't at least *some* relationship.
i.e. power to weight ratio usually goes down with obesity, but absolute power (i.e. irregardless of weight) goes up.Therefore if you neck a KFC bargain bucket and gain 100g of fat, you might also gain an amount of muscle needed to power an extra 20g of you along. You still shouldn't have done it, because you're still *effectively* an extra 80g heavier, but losing 100g off your bike more than compensates for it.
If fat people never grew more muscle as they got fatter then you'd never see any fat people as they'd never make it out of bed without collapsing.
The other obvious argument against "you'd be better off losing 100g off your body than off your bike" is that you could, of course, do both.
Or not. You don't just spontaneously grow muscle. Following what you say would mean that people riding light bike have less muscle than people riding heavy bike because you need to have less muscle to haul the bike up.
It takes a lot of weight gain and a lot of time to get the muscle to carry extra weight by just walking around. On the other hand if you loose 500g or a couple of kilo out of your body your muscle are not going to shrink overnight.
I think as some people have said you really need to get out of the interweb...
I think as some people have said you really need to get out of the interweb...
I think you should be nice and stop endlessly picking on people.
You can ride a heavy bike slowly, or a lighter bike faster and get the same workout.
On the flat?
Apart from obliviously, the bloke who's fitter than you and already rides a 20lb bike....
Oh yeah, forgot about him.
I'll just bung a stick in his spokes.
Please can this thread be deleted now. 😐
Retards f***king a doorknob springs to mind.
Retards f***king a doorknob springs to mind.
+1
And dare I say it, based on what's said on this page, I agree with Juan 😉
Take an obese person, give 'em liposuction and stick em on a bike
Do you mean take an obese non-cycling person, stick em on a bike, or do you mean take an obese [i]cyclist[/i], who is cardiovascularly fit despite being obese, and give them liposuction, and see how fast on a bike they are?
The latter is more relevant and I think they would be faster than the person who was the weight after liposuction originally.
Or not. You don't just spontaneously grow muscle. Following what you say would mean that people riding light bike have less muscle than people riding heavy bike because you need to have less muscle to haul the bike up.
to some extent, but the effect of that only takes place while you are riding your bike, which is probably a fairly small percentage of the time.
are-we-getting-a-bit-to-precious-about-weight
Judging from this thread, I would say yes we are.
No, this thread is whether or not it's important. No-one's actually weightweenieing on here.
Weight within reason is nowhere near as important as the marketing guff would have you believe.
Old Bike: Spesh S-Works FSR 120 approx 26lbs
New Bike: Blur LT approx 28lbs
The Blur is faster going up (better shock) and a lot faster going down, better geometry and stiffer
richmtb - MemberThe Blur [s]is[/s] [b]feels[/b] faster going up (better shock) and a lot faster going down, better geometry and stiffer
Fixed that for ya! No need to thank me!
Judging from the people who seem to know or exaggerate the svelteness of their bikes - I would say people are over obsessed with their bike weights.
There is no required weight for a bike and rider and it's not an exact science - why do people think it is?
In other words, if you put on a bit of fat, you don't have to get on your bike to compensate for it, you build more muscle to carry it around just by walking around, since it's always with you.
Bollocks
if you want a six pack the best way is to lose fat, not gain muscle.
Bollocks
power to weight ratio usually goes down with obesity, but absolute power (i.e. irregardless of weight) goes up.
Bollocks.
Please stop now.
Perhaps it should say:
[size=6]Are we getting a bit to precious about bike weight as we are a nation of fatties ;)[/size]
Backhander - yes to two of your bo77ocks (!) but the fat/six pack thing - ou need a bf %age of less than 12 to have a "proper" six pack - look at skinny chavs with six packs - sod all muscle, but also not much fat. Strengthening your abs is useful but doesn't make your six pack better - I know of martial artists with a bit too much fat so no six pack but incredibly strong abs.
I know roughly (very roughly) what my bikes weigh and always try and get a lighter part when I break stuff or wear it out but there's a limit. I've ridden a 17lb Klein HT and it was horrible.
But I agree - fat riders worrying too much about bike weight is a bit silly.
If you think that all you need for a good six pack is a lack of fat, you are mistaken. a six pack requires muscle AND a lack of fat. I didn't say strength. Training mucles in a certain way make them increase in size. Do you think that if you took the flab away from a lazy idle obese person that there would be a proper six pack underneath?
I don't agree, becuase no matter how fat you are a lighter bike could well handle better. You know from cars that a lighter car doesn't just accelerate better - it stops, corners and handles better too.
Yes but on a pushbike it also raises the CofG of the rider+bike.
Backhander - yes I do. Have maintained a six pack since I was a teen - through strength and cardio exercise but I have also seen people carrying naff all other muscle with six packs. Ab muscles are very small - training them makes very little difference to their size unlike major muscle groups.
Mol - a bike weights a fraction of what a rider does. A driver weighs a fraction of what a car does. Totally different dynamics going on.
weight saved off the bike is "free" weight
And gets 'free-er' the richer you are
Have a fight with a really big fat fatknacker to find out how strong they are!
The bigger they are the harder they fall is a complete myth, its more like the harder they hit back. Its true what was said earlier, carrying all that extra mass about does make them physically stronger, though in *some folk it can be at expense of cardio fitness.
*I know a massive lad who's a roofer who can haul slate and roofing sheet up ladders all day long and hammers the Manc to Blackpool charity ride..incredibly fit despite his size, and i can only wonder how uncatchable he would be if he lost some of the daddispads...
Errrrmmm - having fought many lardy people in kickboxing sparring and tournaments, I'd say the above is utter bo77ocks and a justification for being fat. The best fighters I know are all lightweight and very quick.
Fat people are slow and get knackered very quickly - many think because they are "big" they are hard - most of the time they aren't.
Fat boy gets you on the floor and its game over unless you've been trained in wrestling..
fat boy manages to bear hug you your F****d
If fat boy knows how to punch, and has had some training previous to getting fat, your also in trouble.. your defence would lie in wearing him/ her down..
Underestimating your opponent loses you fights, mat!
On an aside, a boxing mate of mine couldnt get many fights (at the time no opponents of the same weight ) at his natural fighting weight, 16st if i recall, so dropped weight to the next class (14 st?), ive never seen him loose a fight so comprehensively before... excuse if i have the weights wroong, this was 20 year ago and dont follow / cant remembr owt about boxing any more!
So that's why I've never lost (out of many) a single one on one street fight then is it (ahem - I have VERY much lost me against 6 and me against 4 as the hospital trips will testify)?
Fat boy will NOT get a half decent scrapper on the floor and he will NOT land a punch because you can see it from a mile off.
6 years karate, 7 years kickboxing including teaching and good placings in national comps is useful. Being fat isn't.
having fought many lardy people in kickboxing sparring and tournaments
I know how tournaments work and also that you'll have only fought people at your weight which is only about 11 stone right? So were your opponents a good few inches shorter also? you're about 5'9"? reach helps.
Even sparring, you'll only have fought heavier blokes who are less skilled.
Law of the jungle states that a good big 'un will always beat a good little 'un. Well done on the tournaments BTW but these sports don't translate literally onto the streets. I'd guess you've been a bit lucky there.
Backhander - I've had many, many street fights from crazy Uni days and beyond. Also worked a few doors over the years.
It's the smaller, wiry but confident people that make me nervous, not the shouty, oversized thug wannabees.
How the hell do you know my weight and height though?!
Innit, think about the mechanics of a punch..not an untrained punch, but someone who knows how... starts from the legs upwards, back, shoulder, that's an awful lot of mass and energy, especially with a heavy man..
If that connects, even if it doesn't knock you on your ass, its gonna rob a helluva lot of energy out of your own fight
Agreed on the mouthy thugs, Mat, those who know how to fight know they dont need to shout the odds...
U31 - yes if it connects it will hurt but if you LET it connect, you really shouldn't be attempting to get involved.
It [i]will[/i] be slower and easier to spot than a quick punch from a well trained non fatty.
Also about taking hits though - you can train forever in a dojo but never know how to take a wallop.
Amen to that brother!
Mat I think you've posted it about 5 times!!! I reckon I could also find your %body fat and BMI!
Fair play I've never seen a doorman your size. WTF did you go to uni?
As a general rule, the one with the least amount of alcohol in him usually wins the fight. Still disagree that all you need for a six pack is an absence of fat. I take it you don't bother ab training then?
Who cares who could fight who 😯 [running away] - really would be good to get back on topic? Yes? No? .............
The best bouncer who i know(who also happens to be the afore mentioned boxer mate of mine's uncle) was a boxer, boxing coach, olympic standard wrestler, who used to train the local cops to wrestle....
If it kicked off in a club he'd just stand back and let the protagonists and young "Lump" bouncers fight to exhaustion.. then walk over and casually handcuff the prone bodies and restrain till the cops arrived! Very very seldom did i see him trade blows. Legend.
Reet, back on topic, chaps!!!
Back - lots of ab training as I know the value of a strong stomach but I still don't think it's the key part of six pack revealage. Went to Swansea Uni - English + surfer + student = aggro! TBH I got quite a buzz from it, sad as it may seem.
U31 - sounds good! I know a complete hippy who was a PTI instructor in the Marines for years. He genuinely flattened five aggro blokes once when a mate of his was whacked for no reason. Little wiry guy with long hair and about as scary looking as a vole.
Anyway back in topic - errmm - what was the topic?
Although not a PTI, I was an Army Commando for a good few years.
A lot of my old mates are now at Hereford and Poole. No, I don't know the colour of the boathouse at Hereford but I do at Poole!
They're not particularly small guys.
Back - only did selection for the Marines (POC and AIB) at Lympestone. Passed, was offered met my now wife (who wasn't keen), didn't go for it.
From my small number of days there, I spotted all sizes of Marine from pretty small to proper monsters. Most of the officers were pretty average sized.
A very odd experience - a student (at the time) being called "sir" and getting the full silver service treatment then getting utterly beasted on the various physical tests!
Ah, Lympestone. I did some instructing (as DS) down there a few years ago. Great place. GET YOUR ****ING HEELS TOGETHER WHEN YOU TALK TO ME!!! hahaha