[Closed] Anyone swapped from a On-One Steel 456 to a Carbon version?

my mate has and hates it

yes.

I found the carbon a more comfortable ride and (obviously) a lot lighter. It did seem to lack something though and was replaced by another steel frame (a Curtis, this time).

Yes. I found the steel heavy (not a huge problem given the price) and harsh. The carbon is much lighter and a lot more comfortable. The carbon is just as much fun in my opinion

Yep, had a steel one for ages and loved it. Have had a carbon one for 18 months and love it even more. Lighter, more comfy and with added zip. I have an Inbred SS to fulfil my steel bike needs

Recently swapped a Cotic Soul to a C456 and i'm massively impressed

Only swapped it to get a slightly bigger frame, so was worried it wouldn't ride as well, but its a very quick XC machine - really stiff on the climbs, very quick DH with 140mm forks and doesn't beat me up to much on a 4 hour ride

Go for it

All good comments, thanks

I went from a steel 456 to a 456Ti. Lighter and more comfortable at speed, but if it was now I'd have bought a c456 - purely on price.

Carbon is a much better bike IMO. Honestly can't feel a downside but it loses the lumpyness and deadness of the steel one.

(doesn't really make much sense but riding my carbon one always reminded me of a Soul but not really of a steel 456. I'd assumed geometry would be the most important factor but turned out not to be)

PS medium carbon 456 for sale 😉

I swapped from a 456 Summer Season to the carbon and much much much prefer the carbon. Added a 2 degree Works slackset as well, so in theory exactly the same geo. basically, the 456SS was just a dead weight, the carbon is just so much easier to skip and jump around, get airborne, be a pilot of rather than a passenger.

Went from a summer season to a ti456 to a carbon one. If money was not an issue ti would be my choice but the carbon flavoured one is 9/10th's of the dearer one. The carbon one is superb in that it is so stiff at the front when you hit rocky area's yet the back end can feel you have 30-40mm of travel. Superb frame for the money as long as you accept it was beaten badly by the ugly stick.

Or as a mate of mine put it "Looks like it was set on fire then beaten out with the ugly shovel"

I was all set on getting one then I read a couple of reviews that said it was overly-built and too stiff/harsh feeling (I think Bikegadar was one comment).

Is this true? I don't minds its *looks- ffs it gets covered in mud!

*Exception being El Guappo.

Nah, that review was utter pish. Simultaneously so stiff that you can't ride it over rocks, yet so flexible that you can't pedal it. Total gibberish- tbh I don't think there's a bike in the world that could have the effect they describe.

More realistic complaints- the cable management is awful, and the finish is poor (it wouldn't be an On One if it had good finish). And personally, have to say the handling is competent but unimpressive, which isn't a massive criticism but is the reason I binned mine.

But to be fair- my points of comparison for that are a Cotic Soul, and a Ragley Ti, so that's an unfairly high bar.

Was the geometry on the carbon version tweaked compared to the steel version?

Does it still have the same bb height and mud clearance?

Geometry is the same (though the tapered headtube means you've got more ability to mess with it. Mud clearance is I think better, from what I remember of the steelie.

mud clearance is huuuuuge.

Anyone know what size peterpoddy rides?

16" from memory I think.

Cool. It felt 'right' for me.... flame me but Im 6ft1 😆

I think there's only 9mm difference between 16 & 18" frames. If I'd realised then I would have bought the 16. I'm 5'8" on the 18" which is fine, but more stand over would have be a bonus

yes I've done it a really like the c456 over the steel 456

yeah i managed to find a miniscule hairline crack at the seattube toptube junction and therefore needed a new frame. went to the c456 and found it a different bike. a flyer and really immediate, where the steel one would land with a thud the c456 was more delicate but the overriding impressions was the warpspeed it could build quickly and which you could then skip over bigger stuff until the rear tyre gave in.

sold it and regretted it for the odd occaisions i would want it for a ride, i just found i kept picking a slower full suss for most rides as there isnt much room for speed on my usual trails, and the full suss suited the off piste stuff better.

given the choice between steel and carbon id pay for the carbon again definatley

(was using a 150 rev on the steel one, and a talas 36 on the carbon )

oh, and i went for the gloss black and red, and the finish was great. and yeah that bizarre bike radar review made no sense at all nor did it fit the bike itself. shame

/threaddiversion
@northwind - how much - frame only or built up?
/ends

🙂 had second thoughts on detail couldashouldawoulda
My summary was towards an element of truth, but an element of influence from outside. .
Someone like On One offering super expensive carbon black magic at £249 must be sticking the finger up others arses, who are offering bullshit nirvana at £2500 a carbon frame.

😯 ❓

I've owned all the steel Inbreds inc the 456. I had settled on an original Summer Season till they started selling the c456 off at £299!

Like B.A.Nana, mine has a 2degree Slackset to replicate the slacker HA of the Summer Season. Until somebody makes something lighter & just as cheap then it's a keeper. Mines the raw look in black and I've grown to love it's mongrel looks 🙂

And I have no idea what On One must have done to make that magazine right such a daft article. Imagine how many frame sales that has put the kibosh on. Or for those that have ridden it, imagine how many magazine subscriptions got canceled..

I have one and the back end is so harsh I still keep checking my rear tire because I think I must have a slow puncture.

Eh?!

So for someone clumsy like me (wont wash, bad storage, rough etc etc) although it will look cosmetically shabby it should be very durable longterm?!?

I once cracked a Summer Season and Im convinced the ti456 that I had would crack soon due to horrific lateral flex in the BB area..

Saying this the c456 wasnt created by brant was it.

Brant I know youll read this, will you bite? 😉 )

I paid £250 for a new undecalled banana yellow C456 frame

I'm a known bike breaker and always stayed clear of carbon (catastrophic failures scare me.... 🙂

However, i've paid more for seatposts, so they way i look at it, is that this frame is expendable

Its had a very rough 10 weeks of abuse and I like it more and more. The finish isn't great and its slowly turning black - but i'm not bothered how pretty it looks because its always gonna be ugly!

The review in Bikeradar was criminal. Such reviews have completely turned me against that publication - they are clearly drivel with sh*te testing criteria

Has anyone else seen alternative reviews?

Has anyone else seen alternative reviews?

I had one of the first steel 456 (in 'that green') and kept it until the c456 came out when I pre-ordered from the first batch. I've also ridden the Ti one (can't remember which version).

The biggest difference between carbon and steel - obvious really - is weight. It realy does make a big difference to the feel when climbing stuff.

The next biggest difference is stiffness - on a good day I think the back end of the carbon one is [i]direct[/i], ona bad day I think it's [i]harsh[/i]. I now use a Ti seatpost and it has transformed the bike.

Next on the list of difference is mud clearance - never a huge issue with the steel anyway (although some people had issues round the chainstays). Clearance on the carbon frame is immense.

Handling is very similar across all three materials (I have not messed about with head angles on mine).

Mine now has a 150mm 44 on the front - having tried Pikes, Revs, AM SLs and a 120-160 55. The 44 is a superb fork and suits the bike wonderfully.

I have no plans to change either frame or fork.

£250 for a carbon frame! 😯

Wow, think I paid more than that for my steel frame 😉

It's up to £400 now I think, and yes I still paid more than that for my steel frame 😉 But string and glue must be cheaper than pretentious steel, no?