[Closed] anyone know or dealt with ...LYONS from forum!

i have ridden with him a few times. he's an ok dude

I got that impression that's why I don't want to slate him but nearly a month to send something is taking the ....!

Jedi..do you reckon he will come through with the stuff eventually?

[url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/lyons-buyers-beware ]D'oh[/url]

What do you mean ..doh?? 😕

Clicky Clicky

Oh ****!!

I dealt with him over a year ago. It's documented on here. Loads of excuses then no comms. I had to get his home phone number by nefarious means in order to sort it out. I don't have the number now as I think he's moved. He has ridden with enough people on here for someone to have a number for him though.

Yeah Andy's alright. Not a bad bloke at all but has had a pretty rough time of it over this year. He's certainly not one to screw someone over.

Not good enough. If you're OK to advertise & take money...you're OK to post stuff out/answer emails.

had a pretty rough time of it over this year.

so? is that a legitimate excuse to dick people around?

No. Nor did I say it was.

Sometimes your sat there with time on your hands, next you get a late night call and your working the other end of the country for a month. I think his work was a bit like that....not sure though. Seemed a good bloke and had a good biking background.

Sorry, not good enough. If you haven't the time to complete the transaction properly, don't post the sale up until you do.

Why should people accept being dicked around cos you're 'a bit busy'? Aren't we all?

Pook.is he a mate of yours can you have a word with him.I have been more than understanding with him but 3 weeks is not on.I can't afford to be this much out of pocket and I'm getting well pissed off now.

send me an email mark. Email in profile

well another day.no sign of frame and no contact from lyons.had enough now what is the best course of action to get money back??

personally, if someone did this to me i would search him down a knock lumps out of him......
and all the bollox about having a bad time of it, and working away is rubbish.
if you can be arsed to advertise stuff, it is no harder to send the stuff.
people like this just try it on hoping that the buyer will get fed up and forget about it.
hit him hard and fast.
imho that is................ 8)

markyboy - basically it's theft. Print off all correspondence and go and visit the police.

The guy may have had a hard time but, as ton says, if he was prepared to make the time to take your money he should have sent the item. If he couldn't send the item then a refund woudl have been pretty easy to achieve.

It might sound harsh getting the police involvedand there are people on here who know the guy and vouch for him but that doesn't get you your money back or the item you bought.

Oh here we go, ton getting all handy again....
Although i'd be pretty annoyed too...

What F&F and how much are we talking about?

poisonspider - Member
What F&F and how much are we talking about?
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surely it matters not whether it's £3.50 or £350 the principle is the same. Piss-poor in my opinion

bigyinn..............not meaning to come over all handy.
just that this kind of thing is getting more common.
people who are prepared to steal off other folk are lower than the low.

Unfortunately this kind of incident happens all the time, even on sites like ebay it's common place. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt for a certain amount of time, then i let them have it!

For years I bought and sold stuff used and made sure people got what they paid for, too be honest there wasn't really any money in it, but it was good for research into my bearings and for learning how to service frames without them being other peoples, damaged a few in the early days.

If you paid via paypal make a claim, if you paid via another method contact consumer direct and see what they think is your best option.

Me I would just avoid dealing with LYons, who needs the hassle?

I'm with ton, since the recession started it's gotten worse and worse. Be nice to your friends, to rip of merchants show them no mercy and ignore everything they say.

The facts are all that count and everything else is just face farting.

He has your money and you have a stressful crappy situation to deal with. Email him and don't be polite about it, tell him ro return the good or refund the money.

I would also complain to STW see if you can get him stopped from selling stuff on here!

[i]markyboy - basically it's theft. Print off all correspondence and go and visit the police.[/i]

This reminds me. Anyone see that police programme earlier in the week with all the muppets ringing up 999 to complain about how people had dissed them on facebook.

http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cant-afford-my-rent-what-should-i-do

The bottom line is, he has the guys money and that's not on! you can't ride around on promises. The OP of this thread is not responsible for LYONS problems, he shouldn't have to deal with them, but he is!

I would be wanting this sorted out quick smart and regardless of what's written in another thread, the facts speak for themselves!

If lyons want to take money for selling items he then has to ensure that the items get to the purchaser, end of story!

It was a ragley mmmbop and revalation forks.so I am a good few quid down!which I really can't afford.I tried paypal but as it was a gift there not interested.(so beware of that ).!!

markyboy, sent you mail.

[url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/making-a-follow-up-call-after-sending-a-cv ]http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/making-a-follow-up-call-after-sending-a-cv[/url]

I'd say he doesn't have the money to post them looking at that.

i'd say the OP gave him money for the frame and postage so he does has money to post.

It looks to me like 6 months ago, he was short a few quid. Lined up a sale, took the money, hung on to it thill the pinch was over, then refunded it. Seems he's in that situation again. Chances are you'll get your money back, once he gets a job or finds some way of covering the current shortfall.

But cougar was right on the other thread

[quote=Cougar]Definiately. It shows initiative

it show's he is a ****ing ar5e who want's a good shoeing if it is true.

[i]i'd say the OP gave him money for the frame and postage so he does has money to post.[/i]

I'd say the 1st part is right, I would think the money for postage has been spent on living expenses. I expect it was burning a whole in his pocket....

Tis all too common on here now. As an occasional buyer and seller, I've decided to only deal with people who are [b]very[/b] regular contributors with a decent length of time on the site.

Apart from the 'fraud' aspect, there seems to be a general lack of courtesy/decency on the classifieds when negotiating a sale eg. pics/info sent, emails back and forth and then................................nothing...............not even a thanks but I've changed my mind, I'll pass etc. just nothing........................

Absolutely boils my piss 👿

Dont trust the regulars on here!
I got turned over on a set of mono mini brakes by trailseeker damaged rotor and badly marked brakes! the photo he posted bared no resembalance to the brakes that I recieved contacted him several times but would not refund or partially refund.

What comes around goes around 😕

Have had done some great buys/sales on here but you need to be very carefull.

I have only sold a few things on here, but they were fairly big money items, 200-500 quid. I sold a Voodoo frame a couple weeks ago and was rough as hell and off work. I explained to the buyer i would be delayed by a couple days in sending as i had to get a box (but could hardly see and get out of bed). Buyer was very reasonable as i explained the slight delay. All went ahead brilliantly. Sold my Pitch frame and forks last week to a very happy buyer, good comms counted for a lot and deal went v smoothly.

I think good comms and no excuses counts for a lot, esp if people tend to use number of posts as a guide as to how trustworthy someone is? It would seem this is not always a good indicator.

Number of posts might be a good proxy measure. If they are regulars here, they would be less likely to risk their online and perhaps real-life reputation with a dodgy sale. Regular poster would probably not give up their place on this site for the sake of a couple of hundred quid.

maybe

Ebay is the way forward.
No need to answer endless requests for pics, normally a better price for the seller, buyer is protected etc, you even get to see how others have felt about their dealings with the seller, win win all round 😉

win win all round

yeah, win for ebay and win for paypal

I've been selling a few things on here recently including frame and forks. Have always described things honestly and will always offer to refund if buyer feels they have been misled.

Where frame or forks are involved, I will always encourage potential buyers to have a good look at them before they commit, if that is at all possible.

I really couldn't cope with the wrath of the STW Massiv - imagine being named and shamed on here. 😯

Speaking as someone who was 'named and shamed' last week, thankfully the mob took my side, however all is not rosy in STW Classifieds world, from a sellers perspective anyway.

Below is a C&P of a transcript towards a currently disgruntled buyer i've just left. Maybe a bit harsh on my part, but it has to be said, selling cheap odds & sods really does seem to attract a special kind of douchebag on here at the moment.

By his standards I should already have the post done & the pitchforks out for the pedals I bought off here that were posted a week ago & haven't shown...

[i]In our original email discussions, dated 9/11 you stated payment was made that day, via bank transfer

You then sent a follow up email on the early evening of the 13/11. A Saturday. Asking if the item had been posted, as you had not received anything at this point.

Admittedly, I didn't respond to you until Monday (didn't check my emails over the weekend as I was pretty unwell with man flu) but the response was to say the money had cleared into my account overnight of the 12-13/11, and that it being Monday, I would post the item on Tuesday. Hardly unreasonable given the timescales thus far really?

It is important to note at this stage, that I did in fact post the item on Tuesday, and I of course, have the relevant proof of postage.

So we fast forward to this afternoon & I recieve this email:[/i]

Still nothing in the post today.
I know of at least 2 other stw members who have had the same problem with waiting for items they have bought off you !
You seem to have plenty of time to advertise and respond to other adverts on stw., so any crap about being tied up with work etc. does'nt wash with me.
I hope I don't have to go down the route of a rant on stw. The last one ended up pretty light hearted, the next one may not !

[i]Firstly, I would love to know who the two other people are who have had the same problem, as they haven't made themselves known to me, in any capacity?

Secondly, at no stage have I ever stated I have been 'too busy/tied up with work etc' to post an item.

And thirdly, if you want to name and shame, just go for it, because of the tone of your email, i'll state the facts as I have above again, and you too can look like the last guy to went down the name & shame route.

So here we are, 3 days after the item was posted & threats of naming and shaming? Really?

You neglected to mention that in my response to your email, that I actually offered, despite sending said item to refund you regardless, because for the sake of £10, life is actually too short & I can't be bothered to deal with people like you. Next time, i'll just bin the bits, it will be less hassle.[/i]

So here we are, 3 days after the item was posted & threats of naming and shaming? Really?

that's lame.
currently waiting on a tyre from a fellow member posted 1st class on the the 16th, if it's not here next week i'll let the seller know. no point getting eggy as it doesn't really achieve anything.

i sold the demo7 i bought whilst looking for my stolen demo9 last year after only 2 rides on it as mint condition. they guy in ireland who bought it rang me to tell me he didnt expect it to actually be spotless and showroom new! 🙂

jedi, Lyons is a mate of yours isn't he? Got any info to put OP at ease?

i have ridden with him 3 times 🙂
i recall someone had an issue a while back and i had his phone number. i dont anymore though or i would have contacted the op.

Oh dear, jedi

Luke 22:61-62

eh?

[url= http://www.bmx-forum.co.uk/forum/index.php?s=9baa8c2632fbbb70cc7ba074f6d3be6a&showforum=3 ]link[/url]found thislooks like a good idea for a classifieds!
reference threads and known scamers threads.

I agree about a known scammer thread but the reference one is just too busy. Simple thing is no paypal gifts buyer/seller decide who pays fee's.

markyboy - basically it's theft. Print off all correspondence and go and visit the police.

Unfortunatly the cops won't be interested unless is been 28 days, nor the courts. So you might have to give it another week..

Two experienceswith STWers.
1st, I bought a Ti seat post a couple of years ago, or maybe more, the post went for a wee holiday on it's way to me and the postal service returned it to the sender. If I remember correctly there were a few emails back and forth trying to locate it, but I never thought about naming and shaming. After a while the post arrived and everything was peachy.
2nd, I did a favour for an STWer which left me out of pocket, several weeks later I was pleasantly surprised to receive some beer tokens. Again I didn't feel the need to name and shame.
It does appear to me that people are a little too quick to jump on the name and shame bandwagon, I think it is quite an ugly trend. There needs to be a bit of resposibility on the part of the buyer, IMO. I still see people losing money because they use Paypal gift in an attempt to save a couple of quid in charges, this leaves the door wide open to the scammers. These people are called confidence tricksters for a reason. You try something, you fail and then come bleating on here, MTFU!!

Not only are there good sellers out there and good people on STW, see above, but also bad sellers. Equally there are bad buyers.

I thought Lyons [i]was[/i] a forum regular... He's been around here for a couple of years hasn't he? On that basis i would have quite happily bought say a <£300 frame or fork for him on gifty paypal. Fortunately I am both too happy with my current stuff and too skint to be spending that sort of money at the moment...

FWIW my least well described, longest arriving and least well packaged second hand bike bits have been through ebay with proper paypal rather than on here. Mind you they did all arrive.

There are very, very few people on here I would consider buying from using gift on Paypal, and even then I doubt I would. You're all virtual people and as I've only met a couple of you, I would be very cautious, not that I think you're all scammers, but because I don't know you well enough.

A fool and his money are easily parted. 😉

[quote=don simon]You try something, you fail and then come bleating on here, MTFU!!

Wow, all of sudden i feel a great urge to try an elaborate plan to con Don Simon out of something!!

I would simply use ebay! and pay via paypal. If the deal doesn't look cosha or they don't answer emails walk away.

First question: when buying a full sus frame, does the frame or rear shock have any damage or issues not mentioned in the listing?

Second question: Are the bushes and bearings tight but smooth?

Third question: when where the bearings last changed and the shock last serviced and what kind of useage has the frame had?

That said most people are lying scumbags and will bullsh1t you all the way, if the frame arrives and isn't as described.

Contact them and politely tell them what's wrong, if they give you any attitude or deny the damage, let them have it!

Don't back off, or let them talk their way out of it and remember it's always fun to outsmart a rip off merchant. Just like you they don't want any hassle, emails dusputes even claims are all good ways of applying leverage.

Have fun!

It does appear to me that people are a little too quick to jump on the name and shame bandwagon, I think it is quite an ugly trend.

Indeed! The classifieds is not a mail order company!

Hassling people and threatening when goods take a while to turn up is a bit poor really, things can go walkabout in the post sometimes.

I sold a pair of tyres on here the other week that i posted on the 10th (the same day their paypal money came to me) 1st class registered. He didn't actually get them until 16th. Bit poor for '1st class' really?

If i hadn't used the registered option it would have been far easier for him to think i was messing him around and it also gives me the ability to prove to the buyer that the item has been sent so that the annoyance is transferred to the post office rather than me. Problem is that for small items around a tenner it's not worth paying for unless the buyer is prepared to cover the extra cost which they usually don't.

At least it stops lying emails about 'i posted it yesterday' because if you give them the reference code you know exactly when it was posted.

Wow, all of sudden i feel a great urge to try an elaborate plan to con Don Simon out of something!!

First question: when buying a full sus frame, does the frame or rear shock have any damage or issues not mentioned in the listing?

Second question: Are the bushes and bearings tight but smooth?

Third question: when where the bearings last changed and the shock last serviced and what kind of useage has the frame had?

For me, I'd want to know where I could have all this work done. I can't for the life of me think of anyone who has the level of skill and knowledge to change the bearings for me. 😉

i dont think nearly four weeks is being to quick to name and shame.if you read my op it is not exactly a name and shame just hoping i could prompt a response from my unanswered emails!
coming on to the forum is the only option you have if the seller wont respond.personally if i sell i keep in touch all the way untill buyer recieves.and as such expect others to do the same with me,especially if it is an expensive purchase.

btw what is the point of the paypal gift thing!!you still have to pay a fee and have no protection.

Seller doesn't have to pay any fees and neither does the buyer if the money is in a/c or direct from bank (IIRC).

i think the seller pays no / less fees.

the payer pays the fees.

...or if you (the buyer that is) already have the money in your paypal account or a direct debit from your bank account to paypal, no one pays any fees.

How about getting the phone number of the seller and giving them a call before you commit? - surely worth it for more expensive items. Doesn't guarantee anything but the personal contact will certainly help build a bit of trust all round and you have another way to get hold of the seller if things go wrong...
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Not sure how often it's done but leaving a thanks or bit of decent feedback for good sellers on the post thread will help a lot as it will be listed under forum activity on their profile.
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Anyone thought about tar and feathers for the transgressors!? 😈

Seen his name mentioned a year or so ago regarding a frame again I think. It was a different one to the other link though. I once sold some brakes to him and they were ok but I got a mail trying to chip the price down on them after he got them. Something about them being a bit spongy. Well They were ok and I used them. I would have maybe been a bit more willing to listen to the guy but I got an email from someone asking me if I had any contact info for him as they had paid for a frame and never got it. I think it was a few month and no show! Also I think he was looking at a refund for a shop to re bleed the brakes.

A Bit of daft thing seen as said brakes were Shimanos and the easiest brakes ever made to bleed if they actually needed it of course! Basically I told him to do one after the above. Never heard nowt back, so a chancer in my book.

don simon - Member

Wow, all of sudden i feel a great urge to try an elaborate plan to con Don Simon out of something!!

First question: when buying a full sus frame, does the frame or rear shock have any damage or issues not mentioned in the listing?

Second question: Are the bushes and bearings tight but smooth?

Third question: when where the bearings last changed and the shock last serviced and what kind of useage has the frame had?

For me, I'd want to know where I could have all this work done. I can't for the life of me think of anyone who has the level of skill and knowledge to change the bearings for me.

Don simone you have insulted my honour and my family will now avenge me! your horses head is in the post please place it on your pillow when it arrives 8)

At the end of the day Lyons, for whatever reason, has taken this guy's money and hasn't:-

1) Sent him the item he paid for
2) Been in contact to explain himself.

I think 3 weeks+ is plenty long enough, esp when he's been on the forum in the last 2 weeks or so.
I'd have unleashed the full power of the torch weilding mob by now too.

I can't believe some people are defending Lyons!

100% in the wrong - no excuses.

I buy a lot of stuff on-line and I'm afraid to say I'd never buy anything off here.

Surf-mat I agree with the Lyons comments but I've never had an issue on here.

If you communicate with the buyer/seller exchange numbers details etc there is no reason not to buy and sell of here.

I've had many many more problems whilst buying off eBay.

However saying that if I was the op my blood would be boiling!

Ebay is the way forward.

But it's so bloody expensive to sell stuff on there these days! I've sold somthing a bit over £300 worth in the last month and it's cost me £40 in fees!. If I was selling a £350 bike, I'd rather sell it on here, fee free, for £300 to be honest. I'd rather pass the fee savings onto the buyer than to eBay/Paypal 🙂

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This sort of thing does annoy me more and more though. I know a couple of people who do a LOT of trading on here (Andy) and go out of their way to make their customers happy.

I sold my Roadrat (Complete bike) for about £400 last year and I was very conscious the buyer didn't know me and was taking a shot in the dark from their point of view. I sent him a shedload of quality pics and said that if he was unsure he should ask about me on the main forum.
The thing is, I CAN'T HIDE on here! Far too many STWers know me and know where I live. Not that it ever crosses my mind, but I'd get a swift knock on the door if I tried anything dodgy!
Matey was well pleased with the Roadrat, and I was very relieved about that: It's really tricky describing a bike accurately via email, and I wanted him to feel like he'd paid a fair price for the good he recieved.

If I can't post within 24hrs of selling, I just don't advertise. If this bloke is still active on the forum after the sale there's simply no excuse. None at all.

sometimes in life a big portion of fist pie is the only answer...................... 😆

Mosey - my point is (more or less) that stories like this, and there are many, completely ruin it for legit sellers on here.

I may be wrong to avoid buying stuff from here but as a consumer that spends too much on-line (!) it's how I feel and would assume others feel the same.

I've bought almost 100 items on ebay, all new though, and never had an issue.

I buy a lot of stuff on-line and I'm afraid to say I'd never buy anything off here.

Mate, that's a sad thing to hear. The vast majority of STWers are sound as a pound, believe me. 🙂

no need for fist pie the bar ends arrived.
Your posting was far faster than my paying 😳

johnnie.........faster than crc me mate 8)

I know this isn't any help to the OP but if it's over £100 I try to pay and pick up in person. I know i'd miss that amount of cash so to me it's worth it.

Reading threads like this I'd be nervous about the Classifieds but on reflection, looking at the amount of traffic in there, i'd say the majority are using it as intended.