i sold the demo7 i bought whilst looking for my stolen demo9 last year after only 2 rides on it as mint condition. they guy in ireland who bought it rang me to tell me he didnt expect it to actually be spotless and showroom new! 🙂
jedi, Lyons is a mate of yours isn't he? Got any info to put OP at ease?
i have ridden with him 3 times 🙂
i recall someone had an issue a while back and i had his phone number. i dont anymore though or i would have contacted the op.
Oh dear, jedi
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[url= http://www.bmx-forum.co.uk/forum/index.php?s=9baa8c2632fbbb70cc7ba074f6d3be6a&showforum=3 ]link[/url]found thislooks like a good idea for a classifieds!
reference threads and known scamers threads.
I agree about a known scammer thread but the reference one is just too busy. Simple thing is no paypal gifts buyer/seller decide who pays fee's.
markyboy - basically it's theft. Print off all correspondence and go and visit the police.
Unfortunatly the cops won't be interested unless is been 28 days, nor the courts. So you might have to give it another week..
Two experienceswith STWers.
1st, I bought a Ti seat post a couple of years ago, or maybe more, the post went for a wee holiday on it's way to me and the postal service returned it to the sender. If I remember correctly there were a few emails back and forth trying to locate it, but I never thought about naming and shaming. After a while the post arrived and everything was peachy.
2nd, I did a favour for an STWer which left me out of pocket, several weeks later I was pleasantly surprised to receive some beer tokens. Again I didn't feel the need to name and shame.
It does appear to me that people are a little too quick to jump on the name and shame bandwagon, I think it is quite an ugly trend. There needs to be a bit of resposibility on the part of the buyer, IMO. I still see people losing money because they use Paypal gift in an attempt to save a couple of quid in charges, this leaves the door wide open to the scammers. These people are called confidence tricksters for a reason. You try something, you fail and then come bleating on here, MTFU!!
Not only are there good sellers out there and good people on STW, see above, but also bad sellers. Equally there are bad buyers.
I thought Lyons [i]was[/i] a forum regular... He's been around here for a couple of years hasn't he? On that basis i would have quite happily bought say a <£300 frame or fork for him on gifty paypal. Fortunately I am both too happy with my current stuff and too skint to be spending that sort of money at the moment...
FWIW my least well described, longest arriving and least well packaged second hand bike bits have been through ebay with proper paypal rather than on here. Mind you they did all arrive.
There are very, very few people on here I would consider buying from using gift on Paypal, and even then I doubt I would. You're all virtual people and as I've only met a couple of you, I would be very cautious, not that I think you're all scammers, but because I don't know you well enough.
A fool and his money are easily parted. 😉
[quote=don simon]You try something, you fail and then come bleating on here, MTFU!!
Wow, all of sudden i feel a great urge to try an elaborate plan to con Don Simon out of something!!
I would simply use ebay! and pay via paypal. If the deal doesn't look cosha or they don't answer emails walk away.
First question: when buying a full sus frame, does the frame or rear shock have any damage or issues not mentioned in the listing?
Second question: Are the bushes and bearings tight but smooth?
Third question: when where the bearings last changed and the shock last serviced and what kind of useage has the frame had?
That said most people are lying scumbags and will bullsh1t you all the way, if the frame arrives and isn't as described.
Contact them and politely tell them what's wrong, if they give you any attitude or deny the damage, let them have it!
Don't back off, or let them talk their way out of it and remember it's always fun to outsmart a rip off merchant. Just like you they don't want any hassle, emails dusputes even claims are all good ways of applying leverage.
Have fun!
It does appear to me that people are a little too quick to jump on the name and shame bandwagon, I think it is quite an ugly trend.
Indeed! The classifieds is not a mail order company!
Hassling people and threatening when goods take a while to turn up is a bit poor really, things can go walkabout in the post sometimes.
I sold a pair of tyres on here the other week that i posted on the 10th (the same day their paypal money came to me) 1st class registered. He didn't actually get them until 16th. Bit poor for '1st class' really?
If i hadn't used the registered option it would have been far easier for him to think i was messing him around and it also gives me the ability to prove to the buyer that the item has been sent so that the annoyance is transferred to the post office rather than me. Problem is that for small items around a tenner it's not worth paying for unless the buyer is prepared to cover the extra cost which they usually don't.
At least it stops lying emails about 'i posted it yesterday' because if you give them the reference code you know exactly when it was posted.
Wow, all of sudden i feel a great urge to try an elaborate plan to con Don Simon out of something!!
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First question: when buying a full sus frame, does the frame or rear shock have any damage or issues not mentioned in the listing?Second question: Are the bushes and bearings tight but smooth?
Third question: when where the bearings last changed and the shock last serviced and what kind of useage has the frame had?
For me, I'd want to know where I could have all this work done. I can't for the life of me think of anyone who has the level of skill and knowledge to change the bearings for me. 😉
i dont think nearly four weeks is being to quick to name and shame.if you read my op it is not exactly a name and shame just hoping i could prompt a response from my unanswered emails!
coming on to the forum is the only option you have if the seller wont respond.personally if i sell i keep in touch all the way untill buyer recieves.and as such expect others to do the same with me,especially if it is an expensive purchase.
btw what is the point of the paypal gift thing!!you still have to pay a fee and have no protection.
Seller doesn't have to pay any fees and neither does the buyer if the money is in a/c or direct from bank (IIRC).
i think the seller pays no / less fees.
the payer pays the fees.
...or if you (the buyer that is) already have the money in your paypal account or a direct debit from your bank account to paypal, no one pays any fees.
How about getting the phone number of the seller and giving them a call before you commit? - surely worth it for more expensive items. Doesn't guarantee anything but the personal contact will certainly help build a bit of trust all round and you have another way to get hold of the seller if things go wrong...
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Not sure how often it's done but leaving a thanks or bit of decent feedback for good sellers on the post thread will help a lot as it will be listed under forum activity on their profile.
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Anyone thought about tar and feathers for the transgressors!? 😈
Seen his name mentioned a year or so ago regarding a frame again I think. It was a different one to the other link though. I once sold some brakes to him and they were ok but I got a mail trying to chip the price down on them after he got them. Something about them being a bit spongy. Well They were ok and I used them. I would have maybe been a bit more willing to listen to the guy but I got an email from someone asking me if I had any contact info for him as they had paid for a frame and never got it. I think it was a few month and no show! Also I think he was looking at a refund for a shop to re bleed the brakes.
A Bit of daft thing seen as said brakes were Shimanos and the easiest brakes ever made to bleed if they actually needed it of course! Basically I told him to do one after the above. Never heard nowt back, so a chancer in my book.
don simon - MemberWow, all of sudden i feel a great urge to try an elaborate plan to con Don Simon out of something!!
First question: when buying a full sus frame, does the frame or rear shock have any damage or issues not mentioned in the listing?
Second question: Are the bushes and bearings tight but smooth?
Third question: when where the bearings last changed and the shock last serviced and what kind of useage has the frame had?
For me, I'd want to know where I could have all this work done. I can't for the life of me think of anyone who has the level of skill and knowledge to change the bearings for me.
Don simone you have insulted my honour and my family will now avenge me! your horses head is in the post please place it on your pillow when it arrives 8)
At the end of the day Lyons, for whatever reason, has taken this guy's money and hasn't:-
1) Sent him the item he paid for
2) Been in contact to explain himself.
I think 3 weeks+ is plenty long enough, esp when he's been on the forum in the last 2 weeks or so.
I'd have unleashed the full power of the torch weilding mob by now too.
I can't believe some people are defending Lyons!
100% in the wrong - no excuses.
I buy a lot of stuff on-line and I'm afraid to say I'd never buy anything off here.
Surf-mat I agree with the Lyons comments but I've never had an issue on here.
If you communicate with the buyer/seller exchange numbers details etc there is no reason not to buy and sell of here.
I've had many many more problems whilst buying off eBay.
However saying that if I was the op my blood would be boiling!
Ebay is the way forward.
But it's so bloody expensive to sell stuff on there these days! I've sold somthing a bit over £300 worth in the last month and it's cost me £40 in fees!. If I was selling a £350 bike, I'd rather sell it on here, fee free, for £300 to be honest. I'd rather pass the fee savings onto the buyer than to eBay/Paypal 🙂
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This sort of thing does annoy me more and more though. I know a couple of people who do a LOT of trading on here (Andy) and go out of their way to make their customers happy.
I sold my Roadrat (Complete bike) for about £400 last year and I was very conscious the buyer didn't know me and was taking a shot in the dark from their point of view. I sent him a shedload of quality pics and said that if he was unsure he should ask about me on the main forum.
The thing is, I CAN'T HIDE on here! Far too many STWers know me and know where I live. Not that it ever crosses my mind, but I'd get a swift knock on the door if I tried anything dodgy!
Matey was well pleased with the Roadrat, and I was very relieved about that: It's really tricky describing a bike accurately via email, and I wanted him to feel like he'd paid a fair price for the good he recieved.
If I can't post within 24hrs of selling, I just don't advertise. If this bloke is still active on the forum after the sale there's simply no excuse. None at all.
sometimes in life a big portion of fist pie is the only answer...................... 😆
Mosey - my point is (more or less) that stories like this, and there are many, completely ruin it for legit sellers on here.
I may be wrong to avoid buying stuff from here but as a consumer that spends too much on-line (!) it's how I feel and would assume others feel the same.
I've bought almost 100 items on ebay, all new though, and never had an issue.
I buy a lot of stuff on-line and I'm afraid to say I'd never buy anything off here.
Mate, that's a sad thing to hear. The vast majority of STWers are sound as a pound, believe me. 🙂
no need for fist pie the bar ends arrived.
Your posting was far faster than my paying 😳
johnnie.........faster than crc me mate 8)
I know this isn't any help to the OP but if it's over £100 I try to pay and pick up in person. I know i'd miss that amount of cash so to me it's worth it.
Reading threads like this I'd be nervous about the Classifieds but on reflection, looking at the amount of traffic in there, i'd say the majority are using it as intended.
As someone who regularlybuys small parts off here, (the joy of building and fettling your own bikes) I must admit to being more wary recently, purely down to and no offence to anyone here as I am yet to actually have a bad experience, the amount of these threads that have started to appear, I always try communicate via email before commiting to a purchase, admittedly I have never spent more than a couple of quid (think max was £30) if I was spending a great deal more, I would like some kind of verbal contact first, but as I said earlier, I like others are probably more wary about buying from here, which is a shame, as in my experience those I have bought of have always been honest and genuine, yep even ton!!*
*only joking mate,
I'd be camped on his doorstep by now, even if he lived miles away
Bang out of order IMO,
Unless he's actually dead or something.
I've bought and sold a few parts on here - some for £300+ and so far have only had good experiences - items received within a week or so every time. I do tend to ask for the sellers name, address and landline number for peace of mind on a big purchase (which I'll check against electoral roll where possible on 192.com). Not because I don't trust them but it simply pays to be prudent.
Lyons cannot be defended, he sounds like a prize tool. He's had almost a month to send the goods. He's ignored emails and contact from the buyer despite clearly being online during that time. That leads to the assumption that he is acting in a less than honest manner.
Sharpen your pitchforks folks, there's gonna be a lynching.
i bought a wheel from mrclean on here, he even bothered to concoct some story about being ill, defend himself on a thread on here and yet still has never replied to my emails.
i have to say i've dozens and dozens of great experiences on here but seeing the rise in these threads has really put me off. i have to say as well that i think stw has managed to stay clear of this for a long time and possibly it's inevitable it would happen here too
did you get the wheel/refund in the end fontmoss?
i have to say i've dozens and dozens of great experiences on here but seeing the rise in these threads has really put me off.
To be fair, I don't think there's a rise in this sort of thing (Or threads about it) I think it's just the occasional one now and then. But that of course becomes cumulative, so it seems like there's more of it going on.
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Yeah Andy's alright. Not a bad bloke at all but has had a pretty rough time of it over this year. He's certainly not one to screw someone over.
I'd echo Pooks words to a 'T'. I've met Lyons and he doesn't come across as ill-boned at all. He does come across as chaotic though and I understand he is having a rough time with work/home. Hope all works out well for both sides guys.
Anyone know who he works for? Where? Worth a phone call to shame him into some action? His actions CAN NOT be explained away, he owes the OP a product or a refund.
neil853 - Member
Anyone know who he works for? <snip>
It sounds as if this is the root of the problem....
I'd echo Pooks words to a 'T'. I've met Lyons and he doesn't come across as ill-boned at all. He does come across as chaotic though and I understand he is having a rough time with work/home. Hope all works out well for both sides guys.
If you know you will be unable to organise your life to send stuff then you don't advertise it for sale and certainly don't take peoples hard earned money and then ignore them.
Disorganised is sending something a week or two late but sending an embarrassed email apologising for your tardiness. Taking someone's money and ignoring all contact is not a lack of organisation, it could be considered theft.
