Perhaps STW would like to confirm whether they have received 5% and if not, ban him from selling on the classifieds? Just a thought!
No we haven't.
We've emailed him and given him a week to sort it out before we suspend his account.
Is that wise? At least when he can respond on here the buyers who are out of pocket can get some info, albeit more bullshit.
Edit: Notice how i do not even entertain the idea he will pay you the 5% 😉
I suspect the only way the buyers are going to get their money is via the small claims court
Cant see INH responding on here anymore. He hasn't added any comments for a few days, so doubt he'll start now. Think he might be having a squeeky trouser moment now that people are mentioning small claims courts, Would be nice to see him getting whats coming to him.
Hora - Post received today
Not from you
Hora - Post received todayNot from you
Damn, those thieving posties strike again 🙄
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Spankmonkey:Hora - Post received today
Not from you
Who'd a thunk it!
got some nice Tech V2's from portugal quicker than hora! in fact in 9 days. I quit
No I said I was going to but Im idler than idle (i.e. I never go near a post office) hence I stuck it into the postbox with a stamp on.
. The clue was in my email/reply, I wasnt looking to pay that much for a wheel. What else was there to discuss?
Guess what, never heard back
Whoa slow down here. In the last two weeks Ive also bought [u]and paid for[/u] a set of Mazz 55's and a watch.
http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-2008-marzocchi-55-tst2-80-posted
http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ot-fs-g-shock-g-7800
Im confused why I am being linked in with a blatant-thief on a thread? 😐
Please back on-topic, its detracting from IWH.
Hora. May we remind you of the First Law of Holes?
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cheekymonkey, hora didnt really commit to buy tho did he?
The clue was in my email/reply, I wasnt looking to pay that much for a wheel.
And the clue was in his email asking for a reply..
It's a pretty good price already, basically passing it on for what I paid. However, packing it up, posting etc is a PITA I could do with[out] so if you want to collect it I'll knock another £5 off so £60.Let me know.
Is it really too much for you to do that?
[i]No I said I was going to but Im idler than idle (i.e. I never go near a post office) hence I stuck it into the postbox with a stamp on. [/i]
What you said was you wanted it and would send cash via recorded delivery, you never mentioned there would be a delay, a week later you blamed the bank holiday (1 day out of 21) and you never said anything about no going to a post office. All you have ever said is it's in the post.
Im confused why I am being linked in with a blatant-thief on a thread?
Noe ones calling you or comparing you a thief Hora, hypocrite yes, thief no.
chaps, can we take this back to IWH - if you want to bash Hora, take it elsewhere - there's people who've already outlayed cash here rather than slightly (and rightly) disgruntled sellers.
😐 Time and a place. I dont understand how people can be soo sensitive. If I say bit more than Im willing to pay do I have to reply back re-asserting this? In the grand scheme of things it doesnt seem hyper-sensitive compared to someone being royally-ripped off? (Or even normally IMO). Sheesh, Ive had people say they'd have stuff off me and left hanging (frames, wheels etc). Get real, people forget, busy, forget to reply etc etc- its not the end of the world is it folks? 😕
chaps, can we take this back to IWH - if you want to bash Hora, take it elsewhere - there's people who've already outlayed cash here rather than slightly (and rightly) disgruntled sellers.
A bit of thread drift won't do any harm, at least it'll keep it at the top of the forum.
noted - I will set up the web site soon 🙂
There was about 5 pages about ostriches and penguins?! Why all the calls to get back OT when Horas 'issues' get mentioned!?
I better get the thread back on topic:
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look for him (IWH / bigdutch) over on twitter and here.
whatever business plan he had it sadly looks like its all gone tits up for him on here.
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lee@ride559.com
" Time and a place. I dont understand how people can be soo sensitive. If I say bit more than Im willing to pay do I have to reply back re-asserting this? In the grand scheme of things it doesnt seem hyper-sensitive compared to someone being royally-ripped off? (Or even normally IMO). Sheesh, Ive had people say they'd have stuff off me and left hanging (frames, wheels etc). Get real, people forget, busy, forget to reply etc etc- its not the end of the world is it folks?
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In the time it took you to write that you could have responded to the guy to say thanks but no thanks. its hardly a major effort?
That was 2months ago.
Thing is, how do we stop the IWH-situation happening again? I know you could ask other buyers (looking through the sellers history) if all was well but what if the bogus seller sets up numerous accounts and sham-sales first? TBH to make say £600 its well worth a fraudster putting in say 10hours work over a couple of months making comments on threads etc etc first isnt it?
how do we stop the IWH-situation happening again?
If people still buy and sell stuff with a forum legend like you, what's the chances of any system working with a complete randomer?
I presume Evans pay for the ad on that 559 site?
I wonder if they're aware of this, as generally not good association?
If people still buy and sell stuff with a forum legend like you, what's the chances of any system working with a complete randomer?
Tee hee..
LOL. Hora you plonker 😉 I don't mind that you didn't buy the bloody thing but you coming along acting all smart about this bloke and spouting about internet etiquette is just laughable.
A case of the pot calling the kettle black, IMO.
No offence like 😎
If people still buy and sell stuff with a forum legend like you, what's the chances of any system working with a complete randomer?
I thought the schools had gone back?
coming along acting all smart about this bloke and spouting about internet etiquette
and thus your taking some of the heat away from him. Nice one.
As someone else said but you obviously missed, several pages of wibble about penguins and ostriches doesn't seem to have done any harm, does it?
Are you having trouble accepting my point? Trying to deflect the (tiny) bit of attention you're receiving by getting all high-horse is rather disingenuous too.
People in glass houses and all that 😉
Can we compile a succinct list of who's down what to this IWH chap and how many are actually involved?
Me - £80
[b]hora[/b] said... why I am being linked in with a blatant-thief?
What's the difference between someone who takes the cash but doesn't send the goods and someone who takes the goods and doesn't send the cash?
I think you're being linked because, until the jiffy bag full stuffed full of used fivers arrives, it [u]appears[/u] like you've robbed Spankmonkey of his goods.
Or have I missed the point?
higgo I'm not going to chomp
pk-ripper, I don't think cutting off the guy's revenue from a click-through advert is going to help the situation much. As other people have said, get the guy's address and sue him. You can split the issue fee up between you.
I have not parted with the goods so no real harm, just a waste of 3 weeks when I could have sold it the same day and received funds. I just cannot beleive you sent it in an envelope via normal mail, at least recorded you could have tracked it and been covered. Selling / Buying on here is just not worth the hassle, people moan about ebay but at least you have some protection and its more official. Think I will stick to the chat section from now on and ebay for buying / selling 🙁
[i]I just cannot beleive you sent it in an envelope via normal mail, at least recorded you could have tracked it and been covered.[/i]
Hey I agree. The Post Office is a hassle though, bloody queues all day long as its the main Manchester one.. plus there wasnt one open on bank holiday Monday when I posted it off.. and I paid the other two recent sellers direct into their a/c's. I know you said paypal is preferred, next time I buy something from here I'll probably look at getting a paypal a/c for the protection.
OK, I did miss the point![b]Spankmonkey[/b] said... I have not parted with the goods so no real harm
Me, £75
Ok, so that's:
PK-ripper - £80
Daffy - £75
Running total - £155
Anymore news?
Still can't believe people are talking small claims court rather than the police THEN court 🙂
If his mum didn't like two blokes turning up, she's REALLY not going to appreciate a patrol car with a member of Plymouth's finest trying to get across this internet classifieds theft business. Should take at least 4 cups of tea and a packet of biscuits before Mrs IWH Senior can get him out of the lounge.
I agree with atlaz - this is really theft, not just a dispute over some money.
[i]Anymore news? [/i]
Looks like he had a good time at the Sea Otter bike show in the US? I do hope you guys get your hard earned money back I really do.
Unless you can show that he is clearly trying to con people, the police won't initially get involved.
It's a civil matter otherwise
I agree that it's a civil matter at the moment which is why I'm trying to get a handle on the amounts involved. And number of people.
Once that's known then we may have a clearer idea how best to proceed.
How about a hole in the desert?
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I think you can add to the list:
PK-ripper - £80
Daffy - £75
MrMan - £225 (post 3, page1)
fatblokeattheback - ????
tinribz - £35 (page1)
Blue_CBRXX - £450?? (BM thread and Page 11)
Running total - £865
fatblokeattheback = £250 (Pikes)
So that gives:
PK-ripper - £80
Daffy - £75
MrMan - £225 (post 3, page1)
fatblokeattheback - £250
tinribz - £35 (page1)
Blue_CBRXX - £450?? (BM thread and Page 11)
Running total - £1115
STW: 5% of sales.
Thats scary when you out it all together. Not sure how interested the poilce will be interested, as it says above this will probably be a civil case going by what a number of other web sites say.
Really unfortunate that this had to go this way, there are a small number of people that put you off using classifieds. Must admit not something I tend to use after being done over.
That thing about 2 guys coming to his mothers house was Bullshite anyhow. Looking at all the posts its abvious this is nother smoke screen to hide behind. Chuck your dear old mother into the mix, makle people feel even more sorry. Add some more crap about 2 heavys coming to the house, someone going to knife him.
Just a way of putting people off doing anything to him. Its a pitty a few people dont live nearer to him and just go and see him and maybe get the money back for a few others. Having had dealings with people of this ilk, Its often very hard to get money back, they will do anything to spin a yarn or avoid you. Without resorting to physical violence nothing much wll get the money out of them. It goes against the grain but how often do loan sharks go away with no money? If a bloke from the bank asks for money people just chuck the letters in the bin if they cant pay up.
It all boils down to how far people will go to get there hard earned money back form such a shithouse.
Con men often play on the fact people will just let thngs go for the sake of a few here and there. But to them it all adds up!
If his mum didn't like two blokes turning up, she's REALLY not going to appreciate a patrol car with a member of Plymouth's finest trying to get across this internet classifieds theft business. Should take at least 4 cups of tea and a packet of biscuits before Mrs IWH Senior can get him out of the lounge.
His Mum has already hung up on one STW'er. His Mother is probably very similar to him TBH. Thing is, why did he give his home address? [b]Thats the bit I couldnt get my head round[/b]
Well at least just over a grand from the quick tot up, no doubt a lot more so no small change. Sounds to me like he has sold items, spent the cash and is now over his head. So either has not got the parts to send or has a back log of about 30 parts to post but cannot face it. From his web site he says he is a dedicated biker and cannot imagine life without it.. Even if he has personal issues... no excuse for months of blagging! 4 years ago my son was born at 27 weeks and was in NICU for 3 months.. A week after the unexpected birth I took 2 days off work and caught up on packaging up parcels, posted them and emailed the buyers to say sorry for the delay! Likewise 3 months ago we had our 2nd child, horrid birth and has colic and feeding issues, well all the problems and issues round that my life has been lets say the pits! Despite this I have posted a few days late, but I have……. Unless you have been in hospital, jail or the like there are no excuses for this kind of tosh! And the bloke needs to pull his finger out and stop making excuses. Sadly he will obviously never be accepted by the community again for something that is such a big part of his life! As for his family, well as they say don’t sh1t on your own door
We don't know what he's sold, if anything on the BM site though do we? Very sad indeed
I'm not sure why I'm wading in - but its like playing Cludo so I can't resist
A few mentions of iPhones for 200 pounds - sounds like his "plan" was to sell stuff up front, get the money to pay for his US holiday and source the stuff over there for cheap then bring it back to send to his buyers
it went wrong, he spent all the money and now doesn't have the stuff to send.
its a "del boy" style business idea gone wrong
Idea: When you register you need to provide a work email (wont be used beyond registration email and for mods) but will need to be verified by email and first/last name. This is then held onfile. Its not foolproof though plus not every rider has a works pc/emaily addy
Hora its a good idea.
Here is another, what about if everyone posted feedback on the classified posts they dealt with, like, well packed, great STW seller.
Then, when buying stuff you can check out there selling posts for feedback?
Not everyone has a work email.
DOH!
I think the problem with all this is that it's too much effort for stw to police any feedback/trusted vendor system and that the easiest thing for them to do would be to pull the plug on classifieds.
Not everyone has a work email.- I know darn nit 🙁
what about if everyone posted feedback on the classified posts they dealt with
You're not the first person to suggest this idea. It's good in principle but for this particular guy I'm not sure it would have helped. He has some satisfied customers (well, one) and the people he has let down were given excuses about family problems etc, meaning that they probably felt a bit reluctant to drag him through the mud until the extent of his dealings ebcame apparent via this thread.
Here is another, what about if everyone posted feedback on the classified posts they dealt with, like, well packed, great STW seller.
I agree we need to have some sort of register. I'm hoping the mods are having a read of this but I might email them anyway, but my idea was to have either a sticky thread in the classifides that people could simply put the seller's username and then a few words about the sale, or have a section in a users profile that others could leave sale ONLY comments on.
The second one would be better, but harder to set up, the sticky would do the same job but you'd need to search it to find the user. Having it as a sticky would keep it fresh in people's minds so they'd post more readily and it would be obvious to see it and do a search.
I am unlikely to use the classifieds again.
Hang on. Revisit the thread you bought off and add an honest footnote post-purchase? It'd only work if the seller had alot of previous posts of course but it would still help build up a 'history'.
Hang on. Revisit the thread you bought off and add an honest footnote post-purchase? It'd only work if the seller had alot of previous posts of course but it would still help build up a 'history'
Doesnt help people new to the forum though but in that case I guess they have to post first before payment as a number of people on AVforums seem keen with.
and then the seller contacts stw with their side of the story and the mods have to remove the post from the buyer and try and sort out who said what when to whom before they can reinstate it...
it's just not workable from stw's point of view.
The classifieds only work if everyone trusts each other and proves trustworthy.
There's been problems with rogue traders in the past and it's survived.
Are the mods really likely to make this into a mini-ebay?
Spankmonkey, colic...shivers at the memory
grievoustim - Member
I'm not sure why I'm wading in - but its like playing Cludo so I can't resistA few mentions of iPhones for 200 pounds - sounds like his "plan" was to sell stuff up front, get the money to pay for his US holiday and source the stuff over there for cheap then bring it back to send to his buyers
it went wrong, he spent all the money and now doesn't have the stuff to send.
its a "del boy" style business idea gone wrong
That is exactly what I thought....
in month 4 now and its worse not better.... now where is that beer?
surely the easiest thing to do, would be to split your profiles created thread history into "classified" and "other". Then onceyou have sold an item and the buyer received it and is happy they can post some feedback on the thread.
That way over time your posted history on the classifieds becomes your feedback, and the problem is partially solved.
or just buy from people you know
richc - Membersurely the easiest thing to do, would be to split your profiles created thread history into "classified" and "other". Then onceyou have sold an item and the buyer received it and is happy they can post some feedback on the thread.
That way over time your posted history on the classifieds becomes your feedback, and the problem is partially solved.
That's more or less what I was thinking, but as wwaswas rightly pointed out it could create a whole new headache for STW towers.
I would think its more likely that STW will close the classifieds. much less hassle for them
That's more or less what I was thinking, but as wwaswas rightly pointed out it could create a whole new headache for STW towers.
That was my thinking when I suggested using a sticky thread. Easy to set up, requires no maintainance, obvious to all users.
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[i]I would think its more likely that STW will close the classifieds. much less hassle for them [/i]
Sad as it may seem- that is the only completely safe method currently. Sad really.
That's a difficult one paulosoxo as I guess like most members, we only know some people as someone on the end of a pc. I have a 100% feedback as a seller and buyer on eBay so I "assume" that members will be ok dealing with me because I know my eBay rating and trust to that, even though you lot don't know that info. Maybe we could add that info when selling or buying but I guess not everyone has an eBay account either!
We "all" buy and sell on trust here, it's just a great shame there's a very very very small minority who have abused it. And I hasten to add, it isn't just sellers who have abused this. Some so called "buyers" mess sellers around which is very very infuriating as it wastes everyones time and effort. I will contine to buy and try to sell but I fear most my items I have to sell in future may end up being eBayed.