[Closed] Anyone know about Ancillotti Tomaso DHP bikes?

They were popular when I was doing dh. I used to ride an M1 but I also really liked these. They had a bombproof feel and rode really well. If you can find one for a good price then it's a good starter dh bike

Looks a lot like a Sunn Radical.

That is a good thing.

[url= http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1063191/ ]HERE'S[/url] the bike.

I'm looking at £525 posted with older saint brakes, boxxers, hussefelt chainset+ x5/x7.

I feel I'll be taking all the gear and no idea to another level 😳

I was looking at that bike too. Very tempted but I don't have the funds right now.
It seems the design has not changed at all in the past 7 years so they must have been onto something.
I saw a guy riding one at a mini DH race last month. It was pretty beefy and turned a lot of heads. He seemed to like it!

They were very popular 7/8 years ago, think the SDH team was sponsored by them iirc.

Never rode one, but apparently not a bad ride. Though proprietary shock could cause issues now.

That bike you've linked to doesn't look in too bad condition, but then again that's almost certainly not an original paint job, and those Boxxers look to have had a hard life. Have you asked about when the forks/shock were last serviced?

Also, there's no Chain Guide on the bike, which will be something you'd need to sort out ASAP. Dunno what mounts it has (if any) but you'll need to get something on there to keep the chain on.

Hard to say what it's worth now as it's relatively old/steep, but I'd say as it is currently without a Chain Device and an odd eclectic mix of parts and fairly worn tyres etc, £525 is maybe a little high. Then again, depending on some of the spec (can't see a lot of key things like the hubs, gears etc.) it might be worth more broken for spares than as is... Who knows!

Offer him £400 if you want it, see what he says...

Compared to the sea of shonky Kona Stinkys (Stinkies?) on PB it really stood out. Too many rich kids with dodgy build skillz on teh PB.

This will mean the selling of my beloved rigid PA 69er. A strange and wonderful beast. Alas, I crave the gnar. Whether I can do the bike justice is a separate issue.

I already asked £500 and he said ok but not posted hence the price. He says it was powdercoated: I found the PB gallery of the chap who did it! All new bearings and rebuilt shock are a pro, needing new seals on the fork less so. It comes with a Blackspire C4 chain device which I'll get on there if I end up buying.

Trying to find a decent DH bike for under £600 isn't easy! There's loads of weird bastardised bikes with odd brakes and the wrong components. Or the half decent ones are pick up only and too far.

Here's the spec:
Ancillotti Tomaso DHP 04 frame, had all new bearings including head race and a rebuilt shock from Ancillotti and is a medium if i remember right and was powdercoated in yellow
Rock Shox Boxxer Teams 04 with Goldtec crown (could do with new seals as are seeping slightly)
Sun Single track rims on black DMR Revolver hubs (these were newly bought and built)
Shimano Saint BRM 600 brakes
Tioga pedals
Truvativ cranks with Blackspire C4 chain device and chain ring
Syncros FR stem and Easton bars
Funn seat and Azonic post
Sram X7 shifter and X5 mech
Currently fitted with a mtb cassette but a roady one is included

I know whatever I get for the money is going to have issues, the unusual shock was a concern but the brakes and drivetrain look ok to maintain. If I had some DH experience I'd justify a larger budget, as it's a starter I'm reluctant to.

I welcome objectivity on this, I've not committed yet.

The forks are from a good year and are easy to service. Personally if I was looking for a starter bike that would be perfect.

If you think about it and are able to do workshop stuff yourself you kit service all the necessary for about £50. Thats a bargain.The hubs are damn good. Had them on a few bikes (street and dh). Only things I don't k ow about is the chain device and the pedals

Frame and shock condition are MUCH more important than the Boxxers needing new seals. Boxxer Seals are a very easy and cheap job to do yourself anyway, so sounds like it could be a goer maybe...

Blackspire C4's work OK, not the last word in lightweight chain retention, but fairly sturdy and reliable so no probs there.

The Syncros Stem looks a little long for a DH bike, but quickly and easily remedied. You'll probably want wider bars ASAP no doubt too.

MTB cassette not a problem, most of the (non pro) DHer's only run roadie cassettes for fashion reasons anyway. Though if he's chucking both in...

160mm rotor on the rear might want to go larger, especially if you're gonna be taking it to the alps...

Both wheels have been laced incorrectly, so the valve is hard to access... Not an issue as much as it is an annoyance, and a newbie wheelbuilder faux pas. Suggests wheels probably not been built by an expert, so might need checking over and/or some TLC.

Those few minors aside (all easily sorted), it looks like it could be a relatively cheap way into DH... Angle for as many spare parts and tyres as you can get thrown into the deal also...

Taff, cheers that's encouraging. Especially about the forks as I've yet to service a pair myself (I'm familiar with most processes apart from wheel building and fork servicing). I hear oil n coil Bombers are nice and simple inside.

mboy, I'm glad you spotted the things I noticed and more. The stem looked out of place as does the rear rotor (I have a spare 180mm) and the 685 bars wouldn't be there for long. The road cassette would probably be what I run as I don't see the need for a 32-36t on a DH bike, although this may be an assumption!

Good spot on the wheels, I see what you mean now as he's crossed where they could be parallel. I'd never thought to look for that!

Double check on the chain device to see if it will fit. I thought these had a bespoke system that came with the frame due to pivot placement and stuff.

Suspension system is the same as that used by many motocross bikes. Mr. Ancillotti patented the design many years ago.

Ask about them on SDH - no offence STW, but DH bikes aren't really your forte....

Is SDH Southern Down Hill? Good shout, although the advice so far has been very useful. A proprietary device sounds obscure/expensive.

Looking here - http://www.ancillotti.com/downhill_dhy.htm - the chain device is listed as:
"Ancillotti specifical lexan CNC plate"

SDH will be better placed to give advice, but that chain device defo needs checking.

Yes, SDH = SouthernDownhill.com

use a pull instead of push for the shock

no it doesn't its just somthing that was lost in translation.
Its a similar linkage to the old giant DH team.

the shock is 'lotti's own and no other shock will fit.

What height are you HS?

GW I'm 5' 11, 65kg. Have a you bike to sell? I tend to ride medium frames.

The specific nature of the frame is putting me off a little. I may need something more generic. I thought the pull looked like a push based on the linkage!

I may need something more generic

http://www.southerndownhill.com/forum/index.php/topic,262288.0.html

Yeah, I do
I'm also 5'11 and have springs for a lighter rider,

Do you have an Email addy?4

£650.... GT...

http://www.southerndownhill.com/forum/index.php/topic,262210.0.html

GW my email's shameer AT gmx DOT co.uk

I just need to register with SDH to check out those other recommendations. Thanks chaps (and chapettes?) 😀

The iron horse has gone and I'm not sure about the i-drive mechanism. Looks like more odd parts to go wrong on the bike and the photo has the rotors teh wrong way around (which he says is how he got them off the previous owner...). This erks me.

GW I'm excited. Whatcha got?

OK, an Orange 222 with a 2009 Boxxer on it has come up for £430 delivered. Looks like I'm going for it!

I've got a 222 with Boxxer Team 04's (bit of inspiration for you to buy one!)

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Ironhorse SGS DH with 888s - complete but been in storage for years and needs rebuilt

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Thanks GW but I've taken the plunge. I realise I got the 2009 mixed up with the GT (I've been looking at too many bikes!). One of the brakes has just had a seal replaced and needs a bleed but the rest is good to go. Based on my brief googling the forks look to be 2005.

A bit of me has wanted an Orange with Hope brakes for a while but not necessarily a 5. Nice to see that despite the age of some bits the cockpit is modern, some of those stickers have to go though! I love the raw look too 😀

Xiphon, that's quite a bike. I'm not brave enough for that sort of colourscheme! Any hints on the shock or fork as it looks to be quite similar to what I've got on the way?

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Looks a good bike from here - but there are a few things you can do, to bring it more in-line with 'modern' DH bikes.

For starters, bring the front end down! Low-rise top crown, and low rise bars (I paid £30 for some flat 780mm bars). The change in handling is very noticeable!

On that 222 is a Vanilla RC shock - very basic - but very reliable (I have Patriot '00 frame, and the RC shock that came with it used daily!). My shock is a DHX 5.0, picked up for around £80 back in 2009.

Chain device - first thing I would change, as that "MRP Copy" is shockingly bad (speaking from experience...). £25 on STW got me a Superstar Laser chain guide (above, in black)

Only major difference between ours, is your swingarm spacing is 135x12mm, and the brake bolts directly onto the swingarm. Mine's got a floating IBS arm, and can only use 2 types of hub (Hope Bulb, Sun Ringle).

In total, I think mine cost around £500 (when older parts have been sold and upgraded). Only gets used a handful of times per year, but I'm not changing it!!

And you do feel a sense of British pride riding an Orange, with Hope brakes and a loud clicky Hope hub... (We have 3 Hope equipped Oranges in the house..)

Ah, I'd heard (read) about the brake jack on these. I guess that's why they have the IBS, an unfortunate acronym though! Irritable brake syndrome?

Can a direct mount stem be flipped, faceplate corrected of course? I've no experience of them but obviously get the fundamental difference.

I did think the chain device looked a bit heavy dooty with the top roller a little redundant. The rear mech cable is a little generous too 😯

Thanks for your advice, I can't wait for it to get here!

Stem *might* be able to flip - only if it's designed to do so. A handful of stems on the market could do so, enabling 'negative rise' (to get the front end loooooow)

This SS one is on offer @ £28 -> http://superstar.tibolts.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=67&products_id=460 (Just been notified by another forum of the offer).

Shoot me an email (in profile) if you want any more info, instead of cluttering up this thread?

FWIW, I managed to get the weight down to 31 lb, with reasonably strong components. Damn good weight for an old DH sledge!

Cheers for that, I may drop you an email when it lands 😀

Have a browse to see the developments of mine - http://xiphon.pinkbike.com/album/222/

Started off as a tank (read: cheap to build!), then slowly progressed into a respectable race spec.

You'll enjoy the bike when it arrives!

I've rode a DHP a lot, all over the UK and the Alps. My brother used to race for a team that used them.

They are the best cornering bike that I've ridden to this day, but the old ones especially are a little heavy.

The shock doesn't pull either, it's just called a pull shock for some random reason. The rear linkage is effectively a motorcycle design, I believed it's used on Honda MX bikes. The shock works very well.

No worries.

You can simply play around with the spacers on the steerer to find what bar height suits you. Tall crowns can be run low just make sure you protect tthe top tube from damage from it. An old set of grips stretched over the crown should help. You can allways pick up a SH flat crown later.

Boxxers aren't an overly tall fork and you're not short yourself so you should't need to follow the flat bar fashion of a few seasons back in DH

The "Pull" refers to the way the linkage "pulls" on the shock as oppose to it directly pushing it. I know the OP has got something else sorted but the Lottis are fantastic handling bikes. Be aware that the early Tomasos had quite steep head angles. The shocks are generally basic and bomb proof, and are designed around the linkage system to give an impeccable ride, with loads of grip. I seem to recall they have a fairly rearward axle path too, which I quite like.

Cheers for the info GW.

So with the DHP I guess the swingarm leads the stroke with the pivot second hence pull right? Gotta love the double TT!

The lotti is pretty bombproof, it does have its little foybles, these are easily solved as there is now a new UK distributor www.sps-distribution.co.uk they carry spare shocks, bushing kits, headsets, sticker kits and some chain devices

I'd probably sell my left kidney for a decent late model (2008-ish). Mmm, I can see it now in chrome with yellow sticker set, my current ex823/hope wheels, Idylles, RF atlas cranks...mmmm (shuffles away touhing self inappropriately).