im back for a holiday to the uk stayin with my folks.
went for a ride with a few mates yesterday up to leith hill in surrey.
now i dont understand something.
the amount of people who were riding £2k+ bikes... orange, heckler etc...
now we were riding hardtails all of us and we had NO PROBLEMS with them and i definatly saw no need for a hardcore full sus bike.
got chatting to a few guys and they were all sayin that they ride here and holmbury st mary (next to leith hill)
so the questions is whats the point of spending £2k+ on a bike where the bike is soooooooooooo much better than the riders ability or the places people ride???
not a dig by any means just wondering how people justify spending so much on a bike that people like our selves could do on a £600 hardtail.
nick
the amount of people who were riding £2k+ bikes... orange, heckler etc...
They can afford to buy them so they have bought them. If it makes them happy all is good.
because they can and want to will be the reason.
Bit like saying why do people buy ferraris and lambos when they wont ever use it to the max. Because they can and want to.
defeats the point of having such a GREAT bike when people are using them to the full capabilities doesnt it??
if i had a ferrari i would stick it on track not pootle on b roads...
if i had a orange i would abuse it and geat everything out of it not pootle on flats and slight inclines?
Yep, you are missing the point
Yep,you're missing the point by a Cornish mile pal....
haha fair point...
just when im flying past all these expensive bikes im thinking 'they saw you coming with your fat wallet'
while they are huffing and puffing or tootling around
You were in Surrey. Plenty of people drop £3-4K on bikes. At least 3 of the 10 I rode with today were on bikes like that and 5-6 of us had bikes like that at home. The reason why - because they can and these bikes ride well.
You will also find that "some" of the riders are very good, ride down seriously technical stuff and get alot out of their bikes. Plus many of us regularly ride trail centres and more technical stuff.
point missed + 1
Just another "I am considerably better than yowse thread...."
thats a fair point.... and im sure there are people out there that are good riders.. but im sure there is also a lot that aint like i saw yday
allthepies - not at all... im by far a good rider hence why im not paying £2k for a bike thats clearly better than me. i was just asking thats all. im interested.
i no if you have money then why not. but i would feel a little silly riding about on something so dear that i cant ride.
imagine going on a track with a ferrari and being overtaken by a pug 106 because you cant drive...
?
It's kind of like art...
I don't get the Mona Lisa, but lots of people do.
Besides that, just because you've spent £x on your bike doesn't mean you have to go eyeballs out everywhere all the time.
Nick - I ride surrey hills to. My bike cost me well over £2k and I guarantee that I will whip your sarcy arse all over any hill you care to name on it.
Maybe they didn't realise it was a competition to ride the cheapest bike...
I blame the magazines 😈
haha but when i piss on a orange 5 with my pop pop i think your a sad **** with too much money 😉
Ride what you like.
>haha but when i piss on a orange 5 with my pop pop i think your a sad **** with too much money
>Just another "I am considerably better than yowse thread...."
>allthepies - not at all.
🙄
😉 just being er.... 'sarcy'
[b]haha but when i piss on a orange 5 with my pop pop i think your a sad **** with too much money [/b]
ping! the real reason is revealed, you are jealous
haha no im trying to see how people justify their expensive bikes when some poeple clearly cant ride them to their capabilities...
im back on holiday using a friends, my bike is at home in austria so im just wondering as its the first time ive witnessed it in the uk.
back home its normaly to ride these big bikes. because we have real hills.. 😉
Did you tell the other riders it was a race or did you keep it to yourself ?
Maybe they didn't realise it was a competition to ride the cheapest bike...
I'm taking me skip-rescue hybrid hack bike next time! (Niche 29er SS, innit? 😉 )
Whenever I see people who aren't nearly as intelligent or funny as me posting on STW, rather than Mleh or whatever, I just don't get it. I mean, they're obviously over-forumed for their abilities....
There's a kid who is sometimes on the trails I ride. He is forever criticising people for the way they ride, if they don't ride over the jumps. If they're an xc rider coming past the jumps. If they've got a more expensive bike than him, but can't ride as well as him. I remember him casing the small jumps all last year.
No one likes him.
back home its normaly to ride these big bikes. because we have real hills..
You know what to do then,foxtrot oscar back home then.... 8)
haha i wasnt riding but when i see they have no technical skill!
i wasnt racing down, when i say i piss past them, i mean riding past not going 35000000 mph!!! haha funny how some people get funny when im only asking why they spend money on it.
Your argument stands up as long as nobody on a bike worth the same or less than yours ever overtakes you.
My bikes used to be lower-end and usually were completely knackered. Then I got a good job, more cash, a family and much less time to ride... guess what happened? 😆
wow Nick_Christy I'm impressed big hills you say - you must ride professionally?
£2k?
Didn't realise that people in Surrey were so poor, they must have been from North London or elsewhere.
My Sov is capable of far more than I can throw at it but that's the point. It gives me room to progress rather than buying something suited to my current skill level which I'd get bored of quickly.
Also as it's singlespeedable and has adjustable chainstays I can build it up to do whatever I want so hopefully it'll be the only bike I need. For those reasons (and the fact that I can afford it) I can justify the cost of it.
I love my Evil! 😀
emac is clearly the cleverest person on here...back to the original question
It's a pretty poor troll btw.... 🙄
thank you frizzer finally someone talking sense other than being stroppy 😉
haha no im trying to see how people justify their expensive bikes when some poeple clearly cant ride them to their capabilities...
Who cares. My bikes a £2k frame, dunno if I ride it to the max or not and nor do I care. I wanted one, I could afford one, so I got one. Simple as. Maybe bike shops should run test auditions instead of test rides. See if the person is worthy of the bike...
Missing the point +1
Some people drive expensive cars - some people like bangernomics - both get you from A > B.
thank you frizzer finally someone talking sense other than being stroppy
No problem, you're welcome!
"just wondering how people justify spending so much on a bike" Look around at the money in Surrey. People don't justify, they just want good bikes and buy them.
i dont care if you care was only a simple question asking why people buy them. if you can they obviosuly you would buy it.
but why buy something you will never get the best from it. surely its better to spend a little less £1.5k on something that will do everything the same?
Some people buy expensive trainers but run really slow,I often scoff at them as I tear past in my £2.50 plimsolls.........
yes in surrey its normal. i saw 2 hecklers on the back of a porsche made me chuckle...
like i said already.
its normal if you have the cash u would buy it.
but why buy something you will never get the best from it. surely its better to spend a little less £1.5k on something that will do everything the same?
To some people(not me I might add)1.5k is not a lot of money....
haha ^^
but why buy something you will never get the best from it. surely its better to spend a little less £1.5k on something that will do everything the same?
How is that better?
yes its all relavent i no.... just wondered so i thought i would post my question
I'm so poor technically that I couldn't get the max out of a £150 Argos bike!!!
...hmmm perhaps I shouldn't have spent 2k on a Ti hardtail?
I am a silly!
Nick - have you got a speadsheet you can share with us to work out what bike is suitable ? Would help LOADS, ta.
its normal if you have the cash u would buy it.
So you do get it...
I've a 575 with 36's I ride most of the time, I also have a 1990 Clcokwork Orange I ride from time to time, took me about 16 years to eventually get the bike of my dreams don't judge people by what they ride mate, live and let live eh
peaple spend more on golf clubs when their crap
peaple buy porche's when they've never been on a track
some women spend more on shoes when they dont walk anywhere
some men spend much more on watches when time dos'nt matter
blah blah blah
why not bikes?
why not, i was just asking,
is this a sensitve topic on here then??
clearly allthepies is a little touchy... 😉
well i no i cant ride pure dh so guess what i dont buy a dh bike... 😉
i dont ride jumps so guess what i dont buy?? a jump bike !! 😉
allthepies is a little challenged maybe.
to all you normal people- i personally am not great so i wouldnt buy a great bike even if i have the cash to do so.
i bought my bike to what i think is my capabilities or maybe if im a little under i think within a sensible time period i will be at the point.
im not a brand new rider buying a £3k bike and tootling around.
if you do this, like someone said, yes its personal choise. im not sayin your a bad person!!! im just asking do people just do this?
yes loads, all the big bike companys would be bankrupt otherwise
one of the guys I ride with has been riding for 6 months. He's got an oldish 80mm Rockhopper. He's enjoying riding with us so he's bought a fully blinged Orange 5 SE. I'm sure that he'll never be a riding god or get the absolute most out of it, but he's riding things that he wouldn't before and enjoying riding more. He's a wealthy guy and £4K for a bike is no problem. He's happy. I don't judge neither should anyone else.
It's not a sensitve subject at all,it's one that crops up every 6 months or so when someone is bored & thinks they're the first one to do it....Hell, about 5 years ago I even did it myself & I certainly wasn't the first.....
im not on here for even 6 months yet, so my bad.
im not judging by any means. i was just curious tony.
if your progressing past your rockhopper which was £400 or something anyway and you have the money then good for the guy.
just thought i would ask as i saw it yesterday for the first time in uk and just so happend to be in surrey, where my folks have a house
Why do they need a house? Surely a flat would be enough for them?
when they have the money why not??? 😉 isnt that the general concesus here??
maybe i now get the point?
Yep that's about it mate! 😆
Bear in mind that an expensive bike is much more accessible that a sports car form £40k upwards, I view it as the probably the pastime that I do where I can justify top line piece of kit, I know a Les Paul guitar would be wasted on me so my £99 guitar will suffice for that particular hobby. I'd like to think that my riding can justify expensive bikes but some days it's not to be 😀
I don't know what amuses me more. ATGNI posers, or blokes on £600 hardtails who hanker after an expensive bike, but not being able to afford one feel the need to justify why they don't need one.
My £4k 6" travel, carbon framed bike doesn't take me anywhere I haven't been on my £500 HT (which sported some 80mm Manitou Spyders last time it went down Jacobs Ladder). It makes it a damn sight more enjoyable though.
Poor troll btw.
Why do they need a house? Surely a flat would be enough for them?
That made moi giggle.
Emac what on earth is a a Cornish mile?is it like a normal mile but with butter? 😆
haven't read all that
was any dust involved ??
TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR - Member
I don't know what amuses me more. ATGNI posers, or blokes on £600 hardtails who hanker after an expensive bike, but not being able to afford one feel the need to justify why they don't need one.My £4k 6" travel, carbon framed bike doesn't take me anywhere I haven't been on my £500 HT (which sported some 80mm Manitou Spyders last time it went down Jacobs Ladder). It makes it a damn sight more enjoyable though.
Poor troll btw.
i got a more expensive bike than £600 i was using that as a example of what we were all riding yday when i borrowed the bike from a friend.
so once again im not jealous of the bikes some of you may have.
i personally find it a waste of money from a talentless person but thats not for me to say. its your money etc.... so i wont get into that AGAIN..
o well... atleast we no how some people see their hobby as just a show off or extension of their life style 😉 fire 😉
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Well would you be able to ride a fully rigid with cantilever down a hill as fast as any world class DHer?
If the answer is no, you're over biked too...
Maybe that TALENTLESS person just enjoys riding and has the money to buy the bike. Maybe that bike helps them to ride and makes it eaiser to do harder things.
I ski and i bought top of the range ski's, did i need them no, did i want them yes.
But how do you know Leith hill is the hardest place they ride (or should they have a cheap bike for that and keep their more expensive one for going up north ?). I think you could be assuming too much or did you ask if thats the only place they ride.
the quality of trolling these days is shite
1/10 poor effort 8)
You would proberly same that my bike is over kill for a pootle around the new forest but as I do aslo use it for otherthings how do you know that these riders don't? If they are happy with what they bought what's your problem it's not like it's your money they have spent on it is it?
i spoke to a few groups of guys...
i had wrote above already....
Nick_Christy - Memberwhy not, i was just asking,
is this a sensitve topic on here then??
haha... seems so.
i agree with the OP.
i posted about some guz on a 3.5k Trek not being able to stand still on the spot and got a slagging.
i went out for a ride yesterday with a woman from my english class and a few of her friends. one guy on a carbon Scott Genius, another on a carbon Cube, the women on funky fullys. i rocked up with my STEEL(!) HT with bolt thru forks weighing in at 14.4kg - a good two/three KGs more than any other bike there. we rode 67km and only 200m of that was single trail - and that was a climb. we spent just as much time on tarmac as rough stuff. and yet one was complaining that his shock wasn't set up right..... the ride, was however made more interesting when one told me that she didn't have a hair on her body and her mate said she only had a "little strip" whilst motioning to where it was. her mate then invited to her private sauna. all a little surreal...
met one guy at the bottom of a 'berg' who'd just bought a 6.5k€ Liteville 301 kitted out with Fox Talas, X.0/XTR, DT Swiss etc. asked if he wanted to join us, he did, but ended up walking almost 50% of the way down whilst i was (ragging) on my 130'd-mm Sanderson.
last weekend i was on a course near Garmisch. some made snide comments/shit jokes about my heavy steel frame. there were lots of funky, FS bikes made of plastic (carbon) costing thousands with middle aged men sat upon them. THB, it was shocking watching some of them mince/walk over sections of trail that any rider worth their salt would glide over. one guy going round corners with his inside pedal dropped. or trying to ride a switchback with his inside foot forward. or walking down a set of three (3!) steps.
the problem is, is that too many people have too much money. i can understand (whilst disliking big cars) why people buy them despite having little driving skill. you're only ever going to go as fast as the car infront or as fast as the law allows (and when you do go fast it's usually in a straight line). you're not generally going to be put to the test/your skills shown up. with a bike you're skills are there for all to see. there are no rules regarding how fast you can go, whether or not you can drive/ride down the steps.
but i've come to accept and laugh at this paradox. it provides us lesser mortals (at least with regards to our contribution to the economy) with cheaper and better bike parts on the second hand market that enable us, the biking prophets, to advance our riding until we are the proverbial riding gods.
HTH
Well they probably have plenty of cash then so why not (you cannot take it with you)
what company you guiding for alpin?
probably best i don't say... it might be detrimental to the firms success; don't know how many fans i've got on here.
you'll probably guess it sooner or later when i start posting up pics of my exploits.
other than to say they're relatively big and german.
Nicky, you are a prick. You know the answer to your "question" yet you perpetuate this bollocks thread. Let it die.
[i]"I walked past a restaurant the other day and someone was eating a delicious looking steak, with lovely glazed veg, and some sweet looking roast potatoes.
I ran into the restaurant and started screaming at the top of my voice as to what a pointless venture this was, and that a medium sized bowl of flavourless protenacious goop, and a vitamin tablet, would provide the exact same substances they needed to repair their cells....."[/i]
Different story, same a$$hole with a chip on his shoulder spouting off about how everyone should make the same life choices as him.....
Geesh!
DrP
alpin - Memberprobably best i don't say... it might be detrimental to the firms success; don't know how many fans i've got on here.
you'll probably guess it sooner or later when i start posting up pics of my exploits.
other than to say they're relatively big and german.
Well I have some time for a few Alpine breaks this year, I'll ride with you and see how good you are. Then I can come on here and say you're good or really rubbish. Sort of like a willy waving exercise. Although I've never met a guide with your kind of attitude yet - so you may be the first to break the mold.
Hope you're fit now, I seem to remember you asking advice on some pretty basic things not long ago..
the problem is, is that too many people have too much money
I lol'd
you mean too many middle aged male mountain bikers have too much money surely?
I seem to remember you asking advice on some pretty basic things not long ago..
I find clicking on the "member" nest to the users name, and seeing what threads they started quite illuminating, usually.
alpin comments made me chuckle!
so im asking basic things, yes that makes it worse then !!! or not?
johnbot, if u dont like the thread then **** off??
haha o thanks for your er....... input