Almost time to get Zwifty again... Turbo and pain cave content..show us yours!

I've just bought the vacmaster fan after a couple of years using a standard 18" fan like you have mounted up high. How does two work with the remote? Do they both recognise one remote or are the coded? Should probably have just bought 2 of the ones without remote and got a smart plug.

Pain Cave is a purely abstract notion. It's not an actual room in your house.

Never packed mine away this summer, although it has had very little use. Maybe twice a month average and usually just a gentle group ride to try and kickstart the habit again.

Getting back into Zwift and fitness; having gone from an FTP of 312, over the summer months with moving, boozing, and such, I’ve dropped it down to 280 now and panning of working with that in order to get back to fitness.

Did a FTP test two weeks ago and thanks to very little riding this summer, and what riding I did tending to be uplift days, my figure has gone down from 220 to 160. Add in my weight going from 82 to 86kg and my W/KG figure must be one of the lowest possible 🤣

Will Rob get another winter STW racing league going???

Hope so, need the encouragement to get on the turbo and bring up the rear of the pack! Planning to relocate my setup in front of the TV (that hasn't been switched on for months!) this time, more room for fans than by the computer.

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So far I'm happy using one 18" fan. It's at my side, on the floor, aimed at my body rather than my head but it's beside an open door to the garden so cooling air is plentiful. It's on a Smart plug, controlled by Google Assistant.

I'm thinking about a wall mounted fan above the TV too but not yet convinced of the need for it.

How does two work with the remote? Do they both recognise one remote or are the coded?

I don't know, because I:

just bought 2 of the ones without remote and got a smart plug.

!!!!!

DrP

ooh @sctoroutes - thats a lovely set up! Though, TBH, I'd burn up with just one fan... I could actually do with more!!

DrP

Nice idea on the fan rack, with them at different levels you'll get air to your face and your body. I'm guessing you're running them off smart plugs (@hexhamstu they're the non remote ones, the cardio version is black).

Mine with makeshift fan placement 🤣

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Unfortunately I don't have the room for a permanent set up, it's a hassle putting it into place every time I want to train (and putting it all away again) but it's the best I can do at the moment.

@scotroutes - daaaamn, that is a pretty sweet setup.

@DrP - very nice. I wish i had the tools/patience/skill to construct such things.

I am almost looking forward to a Zwift season or two again.

Was looking to sell all my kit soon as bored of turbo training. May set it up in the living room for one last try first. Hopefully, being in such a conspicuous place shall spur me on to use it.

Mine still gets used a few times a week. Trying to get back into it now, including more racing on courses that don't suit me.

I've now done 542 Zwift races.

My setup is so basic though

I've done one proper race, my 2nd is tonight (going to try and commit to doing the new Zracing series). Oh and I'm in B cat... 🤣🥵😬

I need workouts in the calendar or else I get lazy and find excuses to not ride - TrainerRoad is helping massively with that.

@tallpau1
I've doing the "4 week FTP booster" workouts..

All are 50-60 minutes so far..a bit less involving than "build me up"..

Wanna play??

DrP

That's the one with workouts 7 days a week, isn't it? 🤣

I would, but it'd mess with my TR plan, just coming to the end of base phase 1 (week 6 of 6), base phase 2 starting next week, after a ramp test to see how much I've gained/lost. It's been mostly sweet spot with weekend over/unders and endurance 90 min workouts, yuk! The next phase adds in V02 max workouts...

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That’s the one with workouts 7 days a week, isn’t it?

Yeah... but i'm just doing 2-3 a week (if i can)..so it'll span more than 4 weeks!!

Also...going to race the Z-racing even on wed at 1710...

DrP

How does two work with the remote? Do they both recognise one remote or are the coded?

You pair the fan with the remote, so you can have 2 fans controlled by the same remote which is what I have. One of the fans is also on an Alexa voice controlled plug so I can easily only have only one fan running. For easier sessions or during warmup \ cooldown 2 CLEVA fans is too much even on the lowest setting.

Sometimes 2 fans is too much even on the lowest setting.

I remember saying that I don't see me needing more than level 2 with a single fan when I got my first vacmaster. I'm basically on level 3 on 2 fans now, unless it's a zone 2/recovery ride 🤣

Anyone else got one of the 18" screwfix fans?

I'm wondering if it's possible to hack the electronics to halve the speed as level 3 is pointless and slowing down level 1 to make it quieter in winter when the full headwind effect isn't needed would be nice. I'm guessing it'll either be something hackable like different resistors with each switch, or else switching on/off coils on the motor.

I've done the opposite, binned the Zwift subs as I'm not using it, and I doubt I'll be using it much over winter, hence I'll register with the 'free' app RGT !

I'm all outdoor - 2-3 days with a 26 mile off road round commute, plus weekends and 'lunch breaks' on the WFH days.

I'm impressed so many of you can manage with so few fans!!!
Honestly - ive a Z2 workout and i'm roasting!

DrP

I can manage with one fan directly in front of me, but it's in a cool garage, not a house !

My set up, last year. Still the same now, just less tidy! Bike permanently attached to kikr core, vacmaster cardio, Tele off eBay with Apple TV. Have really dropped off with zwifting (and road riding) the last few months. I suspect my ftp will have dropped a fair bit. Thinking about getting cracking again at the moment, will probably start with that 4 week builder. Am I looking forward to the winter STW racing season.....!? 🤔🤣

Yes - please Robbo a winter race league.. need something to train for.

I’m impressed so many of you can manage with so few fans!!!

Honestly – ive a Z2 workout and i’m roasting!

Yeah, but where is the air coming from?

I’m impressed so many of you can manage with so few fans!!!

I get hot with or without fans. I'm not sure it affects my performance though

one of the lowest possible 🤣

1W/KG on a good day possibly because I’m a seriously fat bastard 😂😂

2nd ever zwift race done, in my first I got dropped big time by the main B pack within about 1 minute of the start and then limped over 15th out of 17.

This one was a much bigger field, zpower results: 75th out of 109 in cat B. Settled into a decent group early on, didn't get dropped, even made a push to bridge over to a trailing group that we were sort of catching up to, the pack I was with followed me (was hoping to drop them and join the next pack). And had enough left for a sprint at the end (uphill, of course... 🥵🤢).

Happy with that - my aim was to... NOT GET DROPPED! 🤣

280w AVG, 3.8w/kg, 770w max power.

Oh god, did I just enjoy a zwift race? 😦

Edit: if anyone is looking to start racing I reckon this new Zracing series is ideal, it looks like there'll be loads of riders at peak times which means even if you're not in the top 2/3rds of your category, you'll still have people to ride with. Problem with the races that only have 20 riders in each category is that if you get dropped by them, you're on your own and will get swept up by the next category down.

Yeah, but where is the air coming from?

Mostly shipped in from the top of K2.....

DrP

(Nearish the open garage door)

That's great Paul.... keep it up!

DrP

Mine isn’t as fancy as some but it does the job nicely. It’s a garage but panelled out and insulated. Doesn’t get too cold in the winter or too hot in the summer vs how it was not insulated.

I have Kickr core which I Bluetooth to trainer road on my iPhone which mounts on the bars. I have got a spare computer monitor which I may mount on the wall if I can get a mount that swings out in front of the bike at some point. Not used Zwift yet - happy with trainer road for the flexibility of picking out workouts of differing durations when I want right now. Had a bad back so have held off a full training plan whilst I ease back in.

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*declines to show his horrid, messy garage photo*

Will Rob get another winter STW racing league going???

I’m also hoping so and know some others are too.

FTP . . . dropped it down to 280

I briefly hit 280W at my absolute fittest a few years ago - but with IRL road riding replacing Zwift since I retired, I’ll be lucky to be much above 200W.

What do people run in term of PC to get the highest quality Zwift graphics?

Horrid, messy garage photo:

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Saris H3 mounted on a chopped up camping mat to act as a red-neck wobble board.
The new-to-me refurbed PC was just setting up Windows while I took this.
"Smart" plug for fan actually just a switched extension on the side where I can reach it.
2 sets of speakers, little ones for game sounds on the PC, bigger set for streaming Planet Rock from my phone.

It's going to be less fun this year as the whole garage is a series of leaky bits - roof, walls and floor - and I don't think I'll be wanting to run the heaters or dehumidifier this year with the way electricity prices are going. Still, more reason to get out on the MTB instead 😉

What do people run in term of PC to get the highest quality Zwift graphics?

I bought a used GTX1070 for £135 to go in my pc which has a 10 year old i5 3570k CPU - runs at 4k uhd, ultra settings at 60fps unless there's loads of riders around when it becomes CPU limited.

What do people run in term of PC to get the highest quality Zwift graphics?

Current set up is run zwift on my phone, pixel 3a, cast to a chromecast in a wall mounted tv.
Definatly not the best interms of frame rate but works for now, since my tablet was too old to run current zwift build.

What do people run in term of PC to get the highest quality Zwift graphics?

Why bother? It's a cartoon anyway. For 2 years I've been running lowest everything on a very old pc and it still stuttered... but kept me in the "world" as it's mainly the connect between going up and down on the screen and the smart trainer getting harder and easier that make it "real" for me.

The refurbed pc I've just bought (c. £150) has moved me to the heady heights of 1080 and "medium" graphics. I apprepreciate the lack of stutter, but otherwise there's not any great real difference.

If you can handle the slightly annoying remote, the Apple TV is the best way to get it running, but I'll admit it does look a hell of a lot nicer on my pc.

I needed a GPU to run it regardless, as I run TrainerRoad alongside on the same pc.

@Weeksy being “hot” is a massive drain on performance!
To illustrate- let’s say your ftp is 250w. If your body was able to produce that power without wasting the energy it does as heat, your ftp would be ONE THOUSAND WATTS!!!

Obviously that’s impossible at a biological level but it shows what sort of gains are on the table.

I have 36 fan-inches running next to an open window and also often wear my kit straight out of the washing machine- drained but still wet.
But even then- it’s almost not worth training indoors during the summer as I’m 20-30w off of what I can hit outdoors. It’s often not until October that my indoor power comes in line with out.

Training without a fan can actually produce some adaptations like altitude training- as you are similarly restricting the supply of oxygenated blood to your muscles (because it’s all in your skin trying to dissipate heat!).
But they are very short lived (a couple of weeks).

Tl/dr: If you aren’t shivering when you get on the bike, it’s probably costing you power once warmed up 😀

Mine is hooked up to a second hand Lenovo laptop running Win 10. I think it might have a GTX 1660 graphics card? Somebody local was selling it so I got it cheap enough and needed a laptop for occasional other stuff anyway.

The only thing I'm currently unhappy with us that some 8f the Zwift menu actions aren't duplicated in the Companion app. Without some sort of remote keyboard I have to get off the bike to reach over to the laptop. I'm thinking that some sort of "pointer mouse" might work.

@DrP The guy who I bought my VacMaster from said it was worth an extra 50W.... and you have two

it’s almost not worth training indoors during the summer as I’m 20-30w off of what I can hit outdoors. It’s often not until October that my indoor power comes in line with out.

That's interesting and informative. Might explain why I'm not hitting the figures I had in March when it was still sub-zero outside.

I'm not convinced that pushing more warm air around is the answer though.

It’s not the air itself but the cooling effect the airflow has on your body when it’s evaporating sweat.

Shit, now I have to clean up the garage.

What do people run in term of PC to get the highest quality Zwift graphics?

I'm using an 11 year old laptop with nVidia Quadro something i.e. not even a gaming graphics card, and it runs fine on 720p. I can't even tell the difference at 1080. Don't worry about it - Zwift isn't exactly a sumptuous feast for the eyes.

Re cooling, I have a fan and the garage door open.

Anyone got a recommendation for a decent sized fan that can be mounted on a shelf?

There is definitely some tidying up to do! My highest priority is more fan action.

Interesting point to note: The matt is actually genuine Hovercraft skirt;-)

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That is a woefully inadequate fan!

But also, a Klein frame with RS Judy SL's(?) just casually hanging in the garage... 😮😎

The book "bicycling science" is quite interesting as it talks about the physiology/heat etc...

As has been said... for every 1 watt of power, you make 4-5 watts of heat...

So my 300watts at the cranks = 1200 watts of heat to get rid of...

Your muscles are basically naff if they get too hot... hence.... get rid of heat=better cycling performance....

Also why riding outdoors leeches heat much better than indoors..

So...get tonnes of fans doods....

I'll try a session WITHOUT fans and feedback!
DrP

Could I get some advice here please...

I'm just about to put an indoor trainer together. I have a Kickr, 40TV, and Apple TV. I've yet to buy some fans.

I also have an old amplifier and speakers that I can connect to the TV. Are these necessary?

Having never used a smart trainer or Zwift, etc before: I guess I'm asking, "Do I need a good sound system?"

Or other training apps... Do they use music? Or play your own whilst using an app for the trainer?

TIA

I play my own music from Spotify when I’m using trainer road. Wear Bluetooth headphones.

The right music really helps you grind on through stuff I find - or push you to a faster cadence on intervals.

I also have an old amplifier and speakers that I can connect to the TV. Are these necessary?

What? No, there's nothing in the Zwift world that needs high quality sound! I think you are over-estimating the level of immersion that is on offer here 🙂

I use headphones, because the fans and trainer make a noise, so I want to block that out. I'd use nice noise cancelling buds if I could afford it but I use my sweat-resistant Anker ones with passive noise blocking that were £40 - they are pretty good.

If you are zwifting with someone, then don't use the mic on your device and/or don play music that's not on headphones. Cos a computer mic will pick up fan noise etc and if you play music it comes through as garbled noise. But in team races it's good to be able to talk to each other.

Yep, headphones are probably better as you'll need it quite loud on speakers if you have a couple of proper fans.

I don't use over ear headphones as they'd be covered in sweat after 10 minutes ago I use some in ear ones.

“Do I need a good sound system?”

Nah.... headphones playing via your phone..
The companion app (on teh phone) makes the odd "countdown bleep", but no Zwift world sounds..

DrP

I just use a £40 bluetooth speaker playing Solar Radio in the background, to be honest if you're racing you completely miss the music on anyway as you're thinking/concentrating on the riding.

I'm going to try the 16.10 today even though it doesn't suit me and put Crosshairs theory to the test on the fan/airflow and get the big fan throwing a load of air about for the race.

Thanks fellas,

I'm going to use the room for resistance training too, so I'll position the speakers for gym work and use my old buds for turbo-training. I like some proper noise when working out!

I guess music is a personal thing, but i use it to help get me through some tough sections or to drive me on during a race. I have a small Bose speaker, but may upgrade to something more substantial. The louder the better!

So get a good set of headphones, or a speaker set-up, but as many have said, get it for the music, not the odd sounds Zwift might throw out.

I have a soundbar with subwoofer if I want music but that's mostly not when Zwifting.

I've done a few rides "with" mates using Discord to chat. Fan/turbo noise hasn't been a problem at my end or theirs. The noisiest thing about my setup at the moment is a squeek as my left shoe rubs on the pedal.

Or other training apps… Do they use music?

Systm definitely has music (on the Sufferfest videos), as well as dialogue on the On Location and Inspiration videos. I bought a couple of cheap external speakers for my ancient laptop, which was great when I still had the wheel-on trainer. I bought a Kickr last year and TBH they're not really necessary any more as the new trainer is close to silent. They do sound a bit better, though.

Good luck @weeksy 👌🏻

Is this the wrong place to ask which wheel off trainer to get for a newbie? I had a roadie on a dumb fan resistance turbo last winter/spring and think I'd do it again, but it was super noisy(too noisy to use in spare bedroom when others have gone to bed). If I can get a s/h KickR Core for £350 is that a no brainer?

I'm fairly sure it's been scientifically proven* that listening to something like this gives you an extra 50w...

*Not in any way factual

@ta11pau1 - doesn't everyone have a Klein on the wall?

Is this the wrong place to ask which wheel off trainer to get for a newbie?

Of course not...
TBH I'd figure out your budget and go Tacx OR Kickr OR Elite...

All kinda to a high/lower end model..

DrP

The new Zwift hub direct drive trainer might be worth looking at, £450.

What do people run in term of PC to get the highest quality Zwift graphics?

GeForce GTX 1650 4GB, i3 9100f processor, 16Gb ram. Runs zwift on max with OBS streaming (make sure you minimise OBS window or zwift stutters), discord (using nvidia noise cancelling on the mic) and chrome managing the stream. Ran fine with 8Gb ram till I added the noise cancelling.

What do people run in term of PC to get the highest quality Zwift graphics?

There's a new (ultimate?) setting that trumps the old highest one (ultra?). For that you still 'only' need an older GTX1080 card. Anything newer than (1650, 2050 etc) that will run at least the Ultra in 1080 or 1440.

But we're still talking Wii Sports rather than Doom Eternal graphics. Zwift is massively inefficient at everything. It'll max out a single core* on even the fastest processors just modeling other users, and those (ultimate) graphics really should be running on an iGPU/APU, but somehow they're not.

*and it won't multi-thread.

So any PC where the card is still actually supported by Nvidia (gtx 9xx series and above) will run it in some way. Somewhere around the 1050/1650 is the sweetspot where it actually renders things like the dinosaurs roaming around.

I’m just about to put an indoor trainer together. I have a Kickr, 40TV, and Apple TV. I’ve yet to buy some fans.

I also have an old amplifier and speakers that I can connect to the TV. Are these necessary?

Having never used a smart trainer or Zwift, etc before: I guess I’m asking, “Do I need a good sound system?”

Or other training apps… Do they use music? Or play your own whilst using an app for the trainer?

I've got a hifi plugged into the tv, because I have a hifi plugged into the tv. It's not necessary, but I prefer it to headphones.

I run spotify in the background because I can control it from my phone and otherwise zwift just makes a noise like riding a road bike (wooshy, clicky bike noises) which gets dull quickly.

GeForce GTX 1650 4GB, i3 9100f processor, 16Gb ram. Runs zwift on max with OBS streaming (make sure you minimise OBS window or zwift stutters), discord (using nvidia noise cancelling on the mic) and chrome managing the stream. Ran fine with 8Gb ram till I added the noise cancelling.

Mine's identical to this, runs the 'ultra' graphics barely ticking over at 1080 (because it's plugged into a TV).

Rutland have a turbo trainer for £350 that’s direct drive. No idea what it’s like but it’s seems pretty cheap.

This is one corner of my do-yourself-some-harm-barn, its like a pain cave but with better light.

There is a biggish wall mounted fan on an google smart switch, and a wahoo headwind just above the tv.

Zwift is on apple tv, and the tacx is on a homemade wobble board based on inline skates and tennis balls and some bungy cords.

The tray is mounted on the end of an old canoe paddle and folds up into the wall on a hinge from a broom handle.

I do like zwift racing, but I don't seem to be getting majorly better, maybe I need to do some actual training.

I only get notably better on Zwift when I do crit races.

I've not tried following any structured programme so I'm going to try the Zwift Academy, starting next week. That'll account for a few of my "100 days of exercise" too.

Back on it.

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ATV that needs new batteries for the remote and the garage door open.

Stereo is a cheap Sony job in the corner.

I’m just getting back into it too. A month or two of injury, long holidays and a lot of excuses has seen my fitness fall off a cliff. Did a Cleveland Wheelers 12 mile TT tonight, and I was knackered. Shocking how fast you fall…

I’ve moved to an Apple TV. So far, it’s been a lot less hassle than using a laptop or iPad, and I can leave it in the garage so no hassle carrying it backwards and forwards. Cadence from the Kickr so the two Bluetooth limitation isn’t an issue even without Companion app.

Less hassle = more likely to use it.

Jeez. Mine is a shit show 😂

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Elite Direto with a PC built by Dave Higgins (he of the Zwift PC Facebook page) and 22" monitor. It'll run Ultra no problem.
The table is a Planet X one and the fans are inadequate - a cheap Amazon one that really needs replacing and a cheap Argos one for blasting into my face which is not too bad.

For music I use a Bluetooth speaker although I have a Sony stereo I keep meaning to setup with a Chromecast Audio.

Looking at it in the cold light of a photo upload.....hmmmm.
I could really do with painting the wall, painting the garage door & getting a trainer mat down.
I also want to get a larger screen & wall mount it.
And I want to build a front wheel mount that can also house the PC and plug block.

But it works.

Regarding the comments about music. I have to have some banging tunes on. I find it really motivates me. Normally something like Machine Head, Pantera or a drum n bass playlist.

Of..Just did the 1710 Zwift Race “get rolling”.. first proper A cat race… 50 of us… was ruddy hard as I didn’t warm up properly, and haven’t raced in an age!
Was with the group all the way round until the final sprint line (left corner, then up hill to finish) and just ran out of steam!

291 watts average for the 23ish minutes it took… 39/50
Pouring sweat off me after, and still sweating despite a cold shower!!!

Was fun though, and FTP popped up to 285!

Onward and upward with the training!

DrP

Good work. I was considering doing one of those tonight but not sure I'll have time.

With the enforced categories I am now racing in B when in reality I am right at the top of C.
It's good for making me push, but the few races I've done as a B have ended up with me on my own or in a really small group.

I think my FTP is 240w. I need to improve my ability to ride for longer durations at threshold. Just a struggle to find time to get the miles in.

I've done this event 3 times now, and can't break 27:40. I surf the line between C and D.

This is a tough one for us chunky boys, seems to be continually uphill.

Managed to put in more watts this evening, but still slower than yesterday as there were less blobs to surf between, and did the last two laps pretty much between groups. Hoping there is a long flat one in the weeks ahead.

Might give it one more go before the weekend.

I've done it twice. 26.32 my best out of them.

Race 2 was harder and I lost group starting lap 5

Good work DrP, CAT A can do one, really not looking forward to when I have to join that (if all goes to plan!).

I had been indoor training in a cold damp garage using a dumb Kurt Kinetic Road Machine and running TrainerRoad on an Android Tablet and using the Power2Max power meter on my bike. I now have a nice new room to set up in so I've splashed out on a Kickr Core and intend to give Zwift or Wahoo Systm a try. What are you guys using to run your apps? I suspect the 2014 Samsung Tab with Android 9 I was using for TrianerRoad is not going to cut it. My desktop PC is staying put in the study and I don't have a laptop but I also have an iPad 7th Gen.

I've a fancy gaming pc that I SOMETIMES whip out to live stream.... but honestly, apple tv and a big TV works wonders, and it's so simple!

DrP

Did the "Get Rolling" race Tuesday, really struggled and only managed an average power of 160w! Just over the 31 minute mark but that was flattered by being in a really good bunch who towed each other along for the first five laps before splitting up on the penultimate run up the hill to the line. Really lucky to have a race where there was a decent group of 10-15 of us who were all the same level even though I was faster up the hills than most of them for some reason.

The new Zwift hub direct drive trainer might be worth looking at, £450.

DC Rainmaker did a video yesterday saying it's a decent option but that there's an issue with accuracy due to the initial software version. It' not available to the public for a few weeks yet so he's holding out on a full review but going on his experience with the original version of it (it's a rebranded version of another trainer but with a few tweaks) it should be a very good option at the price.

Am i the only one who spunked a load of cash on the Wahoo fan.....

I've just put the bike back on the trainer and will be seeing how much my FTP has dropped tonight!

Defo gonna start Zwift racing properly, i did one Cat C last year and managed to win it!