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I currently have a 2008 Coilair Supreme which I am thinking of selling (probably frame & fork only) and getting a lighter weight bike which would be more suited to the riding that I am doing therefore I'd get more from my money. (I also have a f/s 100mm trail bike)

My question is simply which bike.....

At the moment I go out and spend a week in the Alps where the Coilair comes into its own and is great. At 11stone i don't really hit the bike hard but I do use all of the suspension available.... Shopping around I want a bike that will cope with a weeks thrash downhill, but also the necessary uphill involved in UK trails...

Ideas so far are AS-7, Froggy, that's about as far as I got...


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 2:49 pm
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The AS7 and Froggy as as 'big' as a Coilair aren't they?


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 2:54 pm
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Bigger, I'd have said. Might be better looking at the 160mm travel area as they're plenty light enough these days - Spicy, Remedy, etc.


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 2:56 pm
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I have said it before
and no doubt will say it again.

Orange 5 with Lyrik U-turns up front


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 2:57 pm
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commencal meta 5.5 a very versatile bike


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 3:08 pm
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ive got a huge lusting for an Orange Alpine 160 at the moment.

Or a Santa cruz Bullit


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 3:10 pm
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Juan he said freeride not trail riding.

Why not get a stumpy?


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 3:28 pm
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Save some cash and get a Pitch? Mine coped with the Alps superbly last year with Fox air shock and Coil Lyriks.

It's now feeling quite nice with silly long (180mm) 66s, DHX coil shock and single ring set up for my mincing downhill antics.


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 3:36 pm
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Juan he said freeride not trail riding.

He said freeride but reading what he said he probably meant trail riding.

I think Rickos suggestions are the best.


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 3:40 pm
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RM Slayer SXC?


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 3:41 pm
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It's now feeling quite nice with silly long (180mm) 66s, DHX coil shock and single ring set up for my mincing downhill antics.

*feels pleased to have helped in a way*


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 3:42 pm
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Giant Reign or even Reign X.

Reign is reasonably light, with an efficient sus system and can be built enduro/AM or miniDH/FR.

I love mine 😀


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 3:45 pm
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From experience I would say that if you don't jump 3m jump out of wood of planck what you call free ride is trail riding.


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 3:48 pm
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My buddy ha a transe it's wikid awesum climing is ok but it totaly roks dh lik riding a majik flyng carpet


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 3:51 pm
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Sory rein not transe


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 3:53 pm
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If I had the money and was in the market to replace my Pitch I would be looking at a reign/x, new enduro, remedy, 5 or a helius of some kind. Whichever I brought I would consider getting adjustable travel forks be it either lyrik u turn or 2 step or a talas 36.


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 3:56 pm
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Wow anyone want to complain off my english skillz again?


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 3:56 pm
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+1 Giant Reign. Love mine !


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 4:00 pm
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makes you look like an english professor juan 🙂


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 4:09 pm
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I'd say Alpine 160


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 4:12 pm
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Alpine 160? Remedy (2009)? Spicy? Nomad?

Mark's right too, Reign is wikid awsum.


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 5:28 pm
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Pitch with 36 Vans 🙂

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Posted : 09/03/2010 5:44 pm
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Rickos, yep, thanks for that. Didn't get chance to get a proper ride on the forks until last weekend. The bikes looks a bit on the gnarrr side but feels nice pointing down.


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 5:52 pm
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I have a [url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-santacruz-nomad ]Nomad[/url] available to buy, and the price is negotiable. It would be perfect!


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 5:55 pm
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Been there. In no part order:

Orange A160, SC Nomad & Blur LT, SBC Enduro & Pitch, Giant Reign X, Lapierr Spicy, Mythik Rune, Cube Fritzz, Trek Remedy, Mondraker ???

That's before you get down to more expensive boutique brands such as Nicolai, Intense, Turner and Ellsworth. Mind you, Nomads aren't cheap these days either.

Pitch, Cube and Rune would be my value picks from that lot.


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 5:59 pm
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I have the Mythic (Banshee) Rune and can recommend it: I've used it for xc as well as the Whistler bike park and an uplift day at Cwm Carn and coped very well with all of it.


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 6:13 pm
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One of these - [img] [/img]

Meta6 - in fact I'll sell you it!


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 7:15 pm
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Meta6 - in fact I'll sell you it!

That good eh...


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 7:20 pm
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Hmmm, sticky wicket!

I am suffering from too many bikes, and not enough cash! Hence sale. Plus I have another SC for more XC duties, which as I get older, seems to suit me better.


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 7:25 pm
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Yep Si - I've decided to use my new DH bike on uplift days and on the Alpine holidays, so needing a bik with less than 6inch travel for general use. So I'm trying to sell this one. Problem? Never commented on the guy selling the Nomad above? Oh aye that's probably because SC are one of the untouchables on here that the Hive will not criticise.


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 7:30 pm
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I have an Uzzi VP with Totems..but more recently Lyrik DH coils....running it in 7 inch mode and it climbs really well and descents like my 951

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Posted : 09/03/2010 7:37 pm
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cove hustler? climbs well, stiff and can take a real beating


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 7:59 pm
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Another vote for Reign X. Have an X1 which has been steadily upgraded for the last 2 and a half years. Been battered on the North Shore in Vancouver, Whistler, Verbier, the Highlands, Fort William and more and its still going strong. Perfect do it all bike. Goes up pretty well for such a capable downhiller.


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 8:25 pm
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I'd stay away from those Commencals: They are very flexy, and break too.


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 8:25 pm
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6" travel, 28lbs. Climbs like a HT, descends like a beast

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Posted : 09/03/2010 8:51 pm
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Ahhhhhh dual crown forks: run awayyyyyyy


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 9:13 pm
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Why mikey?


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 9:23 pm
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Nicolai helius AM.

There is nothing else


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 9:24 pm
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Because they are completely unecessary: Even free-ride bikes are moving away from dual-crown forks.

I'll admit that I am adverse to them partly because they look stupid on what are effectively big xc bikes, but also I have chatted to a number of bike mechanics about them and the concensus is that because they are dual-crowns people treat them as free-ride or dh forks, rather than the light-weight xc forks they are, and end up breaking them (and themselves).

With the amazing stiffness of modern single-crowns, IMO dual crown forks are completely unecessary.

There are also other issues with the sheer size of them, the turning circle, potentially damaging the frame in an accident, but these probably exist in my head 😆


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 9:37 pm
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structurally, those E150's make lots of sense. They're great. stiffer for the same weight, or lighter for the same stiffness, Vs single crowns.Simple laws of physics innit.

i demo'd an enduro with E150's and was blown away by how stiff and precise they were.

but we think they look weird, we look at them and think 'Dh forks'.

so they haven't really caught on, which is a shame. cos they work very well.

And they don't affect your turning circle, if you need to turn the bars enough for it to be a problem then you're doing it wrong. i got on fine with boxxers in verbier (full of uber tight switchbacks). and i'm rubbish.


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 9:41 pm
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I'd stay away from those Commencals: They are very flexy, and break too.

Yawwwn again. I have a meta 5.5 and locked out the back end isn't much more flexible than my HJ. And as for the 'they brake' they have a smaller failure rate than cotic.


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 9:47 pm
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Remedy for sure, mines been all over trail centres, deux alpes and dh trails as well as natural singletrack, copes with all perfectly, best ride I've had over 15 yrs of riding, ridden plenty of diff types and this one ticks all boxes, love it! Climbs well, descends better


 
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Funnily enough, I know quite a few people who have broken Commencals.


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 10:01 pm
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I've know more broken Commencals than none broken ones.


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 10:14 pm
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Commencals are lovely bikes, the contact system is a thing of beauty. Unfortunately they break and have a reputation for breaking. They are worth next to nowt second hand, I wouldn't buy another.


 
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I have a 2007 Meta 5.5, so does a mate. Another two have 2008 models and after 2+ years of riding in the alp, scotland, wales etc none have broke.

They are a seriously fun bike for the money/travel. Guess they are just not cool anymore!


 
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Meta 5s are a great bike but they do definitely have a higher than average failure rate. Probably still not likely to be a problem but it was enough to put me off buying one.


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 10:38 pm
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I guess if your after a "freeride" bike there are tougher options out there.


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 10:40 pm
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Guess they are just not cool anymore!

Yes it must be that. I have seen 2 broken commencal. One meta 6 broke by olive (as said in previous thread he has broke everything. From RM7 to stinky going through a race face turbine crank set). The second is a mini DH. The owner lent his bike to a friend of his very tall. Tall friend only leaves 2 cm of seat post inside the seat tube and start jumping and all. That's it. in no particular orders:
François (LBS owner one) owns a meta 5
Conan owns a meta 5
Remy own a meta 5 carbon
Olive owns a meta 5 carbone (not broken yet) and a mini DH
Olivier (another one) owns a meta 6
Gerard owns a meta 5
Michel owns françois previous meta 6
Phillip owns a meta 5
I own remy's previous meta 5
Floriant owns a meta 6
From the top of my head that's all. Bikes go through this type of treatment twice a week on average.
[url] http://www.megavideo.com/?v=KZPB6652 [/url]
and then that
[url] http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-look-what-ive-found-on-the-tinterweb [/url]
None have broken yet...


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 10:53 pm
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2008 meta 5 here, great bike. It was mostly the 2009 models which broke wasn't it?


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 11:00 pm
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Its nothing to do with "being cool".

They're not cheap frames and the 09 Metas had a massive failure rate compared to the competition. Like I said I really enjoyed mine but the second hand value is abysmal. I had the Meta frame 2 years and sold it for 20% of the new price - that is a big kick in the balls when you are funding a replacement.


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 11:05 pm
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[url= ]Tranny v 516[/url]Out of these two I am fancying the tranny


 
Posted : 09/03/2010 11:40 pm
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My meta 6 is fantastic and no breaks yet...but I ride like a girl 😉


 
Posted : 10/03/2010 11:01 am
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yeti asr 7 with the new fox 180mm (talas)

i am seriously considering one of these especailly when the french importer waved one in front of me!!!!


 
Posted : 10/03/2010 11:22 am
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i am seriously considering one of these especailly when the french importer waved one in front of me!!!!

LOL why am I not surprised Poulet will do something like that ...

RHS right you have the right bike for the job So now get your ass down here... That's an order in case you haven't noticed 😉


 
Posted : 10/03/2010 11:40 am