[Closed] 650b that is all.

Local group out on their 29ers... 😀

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I don't get the wheel size debate, can't think of any other sports/passtimes where stuff like this creates such a debate, take skateboarding; massive range of boardsize, wheel size, truck size/height etc, no one cares you just ride what you want. Same with snowboarding, surfing, the curse of the skateparks scooting, rollerblading you name it, who gives a fk.

I don't get the wheel size debate

Well don't join in then 🙂

Seriously though, the issue is that the vast majority of frames are not backwards or forwards compatible. If you buy 26" you can't then decide a year down the line to put some bigger wheels in or vice versa. It's such a fundamental decision to make and most of us have little more than the marketing blurb to guide us.

I don't get the wheel size debate, can't think of any other sports/passtimes where stuff like this creates such a debate, take skateboarding; massive range of boardsize, wheel size, truck size/height etc, no one cares you just ride what you want. Same with snowboarding, surfing, the curse of the skateparks scooting, rollerblading you name it, who gives a fk.

Well don't join in then

Point taken 🙂

Golf! haha.

word on the inside is all the companies are going this way and that is that

Not all will, and the ones who don't will do very well.
IDGAF what spesh and Scott do, I don't buy their stuffs anyway (not that there's anything wrong with it). As long as younger, smaller more vibrant companies will continue to do 26" I'll be happy.

Meanwhile those of us with the old style reel and five iron remain more than happy with the number of cans we sink sitting next to the green, it was never really about the fish was it?

Same with snowboarding, [b][i]surfing[/b][/i], the curse of the skateparks scooting, rollerblading you name it, who gives a fk.

Ever been surfing?

Long board, short boards, mal, mini mal, fish tail, SUP, that custom one you had built as you were convinced it would be the best thing ever then it was crap but you wont admit it, cheep board for leanding to mates to learn, summer wet suit, winter wetsuit, boots, hoods, gloves, rash vets and board shorts that you'll never wear on a board in this country, but own anyway.

And a T4 to put it all in when in reality the roof of an estate car is just as good.

You think surfing is that different to MTB?

Can't wait for my new Spesh to arrive. So excited!

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All it will take is a downhiller to win the world champs on a 650b and the rest will pick up and notice and evolve.........Top level racing is always looking for the slightest advantage. This trickles down to us lot.
You may call it marketing BS, somewhat true.
But here's a thought
Will The Orange 5 be around in 5 years time in its present state? Doubt it, if so it will go down down like an Austin Princess.

This thread is now repeating posts from a previous wheelsize thread!

'All it will take... '. What a load of

I am in the market for a new bike at the moment. The different standards in MTB are giving me a bit of a headache.

Maybe I will just buy a road bike.

wobbem - Member

All it will take is a downhiller to win the world champs on a 650b and the rest will pick up and notice and evolve.......

Every world champs ever has been won on 26 inch wheels, yet some people choose 29 inch wheels 😉

And a big 650b tyre comes pretty darn close to 29" innit?

Where are you getting these 650b tyres from?

Is it the new format Surly are working on?

650B Fat sound kind of cool. 😆

I had a sit on a quarterhorse with 2.35 tyres 5" bolt thru forks and 800mm bars. It felt like it would roll over anything and big wheels is only part of that. You have to take everything in the round and wheel size is just one factor. So don't get too exercised about it.

Soon all MTB races will be won on either 650b or 29" as that will be all the bike manufacturers will provide. Most if not all mainstream bike manufacturers think the future is in these two wheel sizes and there is no future for 26". I'm not saying that spells the death of 26", but it will be relegated to a nostalgic 'old school' niche market rather than top of the line, cutting edge bikes and factory race bikes. All the main manufacturers are going that way.

The reality is with this debate is that it really doesn't matter. Are you really going to sell your perfectly good 26" wheeled bike solely for the purpose of going to a larger wheel size? There may be marketing men at work here, but you don't HAVE to listen to them.

Same with snowboarding, surfing, the curse of the skateparks scooting, rollerblading you name it, who gives a fk.

I'm guessing you've never seen all the rocker vs camber vs TBT or 'is magne-traction marketing BS' debates in snowboarding then. It's exactly the same.

650B Fat sound kind of cool

Soon all MTB races will be won on either 650b or 29" as that will be all the bike manufacturers will provide. Most if not all mainstream bike manufacturers think the future is in these two wheel sizes and there is no future for 26". I'm not saying that spells the death of 26", but it will be relegated to a nostalgic 'old school' niche market rather than top of the line, cutting edge bikes and factory race bikes. All the main manufacturers are going that way.

Donning my tin foil hat, I get the feeling that most of the manufacturers, got together in a bar after a trade show last year with someone like say Kirk Pacenti and agreed that after all the cock-ups on BB standards and headset standards, what they really need is a new wheel size they can all agree on to invigorate sales. Otherwise it seems a remarkable coincidence that they all started producing 650b in the same year without any really customer driven demand.

I get the feeling that most of the manufacturers, got together in a bar after a trade show last year ... Otherwise it seems a remarkable coincidence that they all started producing 650b in the same year without any really customer driven demand.

Marketing depts earning their corn imho.

The 26" mtb demand has dropped thru the floor for most retailers so they have to find something to fill the gap. Its been a few years trying to get 29 going and it hasnt really taken off so they are looking around for something else and 650b (or 27.5" as its being called in the trade) is this years attempt.

In my bike collection I have three 26" wheeled bikes & have built up a collection of about a dozen spare tyres. I switch tyres according to conditions & the bike I'm riding at the time. I have no desire to change this setup.

I have tried a 29er, but not a 650b yet. 29ers weren't for me, but I can see the point of them. I can't see the point of 650b - for me the potential gains are only marginal & not worth the expense.

How many of you have ridden a 650b specific design bike???

Ride one,then make comments.

mmmmm, I think i'll keep [b][u]riding[/u][/b] my 26" wheeled bike with the 1 1/8 fork, qr wheels and square taper bb

nicolaisam - Member

How many of you have ridden a 650b specific design bike???

Ride one,then make comments.

I have. (Also tried 24,29,700c, 26x4 and 26x5) 😉

Felt like a 26er to me.

Been hoping for a 650B x 3.3-3.5 tyre

Now that would be interesting to try.

How many of you have ridden a 650b specific design bike???

Me, very briefly. Felt good. Just like a decent 29er or 26er feels good.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this as purely a marketing exercise. There are clearly benefits to the larger wheel sizes. In this months MBR mag there is an interview with Norco's chief designer who was saying this and that the real battle is 650b vs 29er and thinks we'll eventually settle on both wheel sizes with 650b for the long travel downhill orientated bikes and smaller bikes for smaller people and 29er for the XC/trail bikes. He mentioned there was no area where 26" bikes were not out-performed by either 650b or 29er. Norco are clear where their future lies. It would be a huge risk for other manufacturers not to folliw suit. However for the average recreational rider, or even the above average recreational rider, I'm sure wont probably notice those benefits hence my earlier comment about would anyone really change a bike purely for the reason of getting a larger wheel size. It would be like selling a bike just to change the colour.

How many of you have ridden a 650b specific design bike???

The thing is though, in order to make any meaningful decision on the merits of 650b, you'd really have to try several 650b bikes, and compare them to several 26" wheel bikes (and maybe 29ers too) over similar terrain/conditions. I'm not sure I can be bothered.

Otherwise you are just saying 'I like this bike better than that bike' (probably with some heavy confirmation bias from how much you believe mates/magazines etc).

mmmmm, I think i'll keep riding my 26" wheeled bike with the 1 1/8 fork, qr wheels and square taper bb

Well you will for as long as you can get spares to replace damaged/worn out bits. How long before all forks are tapered steerer, bolt through and optimized for a different wheel diameter? Unfortunately (IMO) if you want to keep riding the changes will be forced on you eventually (when was the last time you saw a fork available with a one inch steerer for example?)

Managed to get a fork with a 1" threadless steerer and disc mount on ebay. Didn't want to pay £80 but had no other choice really. Now looking for a un72 with a short spindle. Think I'll just end up buying another HT2 in the end

I own a oldish nice 26 FS bike and a really old a bit rubbish 26 er hard tail. It will be years until that changes.

But i expect that when I next buy an off road bike it'll have bigger wheels.

I'm really quite ignorant about this but it does look like 650b is the way to go. Precisely because it so close to 26 with a huge tyre.

Forks etc will be only really need one lower moulding as that should be able to accomodate both standards. It will either fit a large 26 er tyre or a thinner 650b tyre. An ideal one bike solution for me would be a bike with 2 sets of wheels set up like this. When we fit thinner mud tyres, to cut into the mud, we don't really want a smaller outside diameter. So the thinner tyres should be mounted on a larger rim. Same for fitting road slicks or thinner tyres for fast smooth trails.

I even wonder if thats why the bike industry is pushing for 650b. 26 and 29 is really 2 very different systems. What they want is 2 wheel sizes that overlap to cut down on the range of design and mouldings.

I think that 26 tyres and 1 1/8 headsets have been around long enough for us to be confident that we can continue to get parts for our current bikes for many decades. 1" was never really an MTB standard in the suspension age

Well you will for as long as you can get spares to replace damaged/worn out bits. How long before all forks are tapered steerer, bolt through and optimized for a different wheel diameter? Unfortunately (IMO) if you want to keep riding the changes will be forced on you eventually (when was the last time you saw a fork available with a one inch steerer for example?)

hope xc hubs, just need cartridge bearings, ditto wtb headset, forks are currently available in both and will be for a long time yet, square taper shimano units will be available for ever as too many "normal" bikes use them

if I do have to change, i'll do what I always do, buy 2nd hand for a fraction of the cost 😀

oh and wait until the bunfight is over to see who wins,
bit like vhs/Betamax
blu ray/ hd dvd

bit like vhs/Betamax
blu ray/ hd dvd

I just steam from Apple now. I wonder what the MTB equivalnt of that will be?

I'm sure we all know the physics now of better attack angle of a larger wheel, better rolling etcetc BUT it does come with increased weight. I have a humble Cotic Soul parts in special weight is 23.5 lbs, I am not going to get a Solaris down to that weight easily without a lot of carbon!
You still have to pedal/push these bikes up hill.
Everyone seems to forget the weight side of things frame wheels tyres forks all by default are heavier as they are larger whether 29 or 650B
Certainly as one gets older power gets less so bike weight is important!

How many of you have ridden a 650b specific design bike???

I rode 26 for many years. I switched to 29, liked it. I switched back to 26, didn't like it. Now I'm sticking to 29. I'm tall, always felt that 26 was a bit small, then 29 came out...
I'm getting old, but bikes are getting lighter and stronger. 29 is almost as light as 26 was 15 years ago. 29 helps me to roll over square edged bumps a lot better. So although I'm getting older, I can ride the same trails with less effort. Offsets the age thing.
I used to ride a Yeti 575 with very wide tyres. I now ride a fully rigid 29er with very wide tyres. I can almost ride anything with the rig 29er that I used to with the 575. My next bike will be a SB95. 29er and FS? Awesome!

wobbliscott - Member

Soon all MTB races will be won on either 650b or 29" as that will be all the bike manufacturers will provide.

Soon? At this point there's no proper DH forks or tyres for 650B, and I think one half-proven frame.

All depends on what riding you do dunnit! The trouble is, is that majority of so called mountain bikers don't ride mega technical or steep as muck terrain! It's these trail centre type people who get aroused by silly new ideas like the 29er, they fall for the bs talk that the mags have been paid to put out, mountain bikes have always been 26, why do it now??
Nothing more for them in terms of suspension or brakes, we've come to a plateau so the only thing for them is wheel size, the 29er may well roll better, but it's no way suited to the kinda riding I do! I need Sumat small, chuck able and be able to get my wheels off the ground quickly if needs be, not have to worry about big clumsy wheels underneath me!!,
I do a bit of bmx'ing too, and I notice how the bmx attitude is so much more grounded compared to the majority of mountain bikers, they all have 20" wheels cos they know they work better! its simple really, theres no change, a few tweeks at the most over decades!! Why change something that works?? And that's the trouble with mountain biking, just when you think they have everything spot on, suspension, brakes, geometry, they go and **** it all up by drastically changing wheel size!!! And trying to phase the 26 out but I honestly think it's gonna change what mountain biking is and it won't be for the better.
I think the company's that try keeping the 26r going will hopefully gain from the greed of others trying to coin in from trying to phase it out.
Oh yeah the 650b errrrm **** it, I can't be arsed anymore! 😐

need a hug?

...I notice how the bmx attitude is so much more grounded compared to the majority of mountain bikers, they all have 20" wheels cos they know they work better!...

my bmx has 24" wheels, i tried 20's but found them too twitchy.

apparently, this one's got 26" wheels (blimey):

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different wheels are different, choice is good.

(and that 26" bmx looks ace!)

personally, i don't see the point in 650b, as the difference i've noticed between the 'feel' of 26" and 29" is only subtle* - splitting the small difference seems a bit silly, but that's just me, if you want one - great. if you don't - good for you.

(*it's like i've done something clever with my tyre pressure)

Re:Pussywillow

Well said sir!

ahwiles - Member
need a hug?
...I notice how the bmx attitude is so much more grounded compared to the majority of mountain bikers, they all have 20" wheels cos they know they work better!...
my bmx has 24" wheels, i tried 20's but found them too twitchy.
apparently, this one's got 26" wheels (blimey):

I knew someone would be along shortly! 🙄

You go to any bmx park and chances are everyone will be riding a 20"...cos they know what works best..
You are the minority that has been brainwashed! 😆

Pussywillow is just about spot on , anyone who thinks 26" is dead are just kidding themselves.

Soon? At this point there's no proper DH forks or tyres for 650B, and I think one half-proven frame.

BearBack - Member

Scott had a 650b gambler race at the worlds and khs had a 650b bike at rampage.. No one died

3rd place in fact at the Rampage- but on Dorados and Vee Rubber, I don't see many riders being keen to turn up at the world cup with a kit list like that. I see Lewis Buchanan's racing a 650B Intense next year, though, Intense have been itching to do some wacky wheel stuff, maybe Lew will remember how to go fast.

I think the Scott was just the standard Gambler with 650B squeezed into it? Gambler has tons of rear axle adjustment and some smaller tyres fit into the current 40. Handmade Schwalbes, so could have been built with height in mind to fit? He did bloody well on it though, way out of contention but then it was a good field.

Buuut, Scott did have 2 riders on 650B at the worlds, they just don't like to talk about the other one because he ripped the tyre off the wheel near the top 😉

pussywillow - Member

You are the minority that has been brainwashed!

i'm in a minority? you mean i'm special? 🙂

if it's only a minority that have been brainwashed, and the majority are free-thinkers, then that's a good thing, right?