Recently got a 456 frame and looking for inspiration for building it up...before I do I'd like to see some of your efforts, especially the more burly efforts...so chain devices and long forks please...got a set of 140mm 32's waiting but considering going that extra 20mm. So what have you done?
20" Summer Season with Marz Z1 Light's now converted to double and bash
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on-one.co.uk has a load of pics :]
Thanks chojin, but there are 6 SS's on there which i'd already looked at. Just thought there'd be more on here who hadn't bothered sending them to OnOne...
Summer Seasons are meant to be run with 120mmish travel forks, not 160mm forks so you probably wont see many pictures of them. They look truly awful and will no doubt ride truly awful with 160mm forks.
Summer Seasons are meant to be run with 120mmish travel forks
Says who? Would they not be sold with 120mm forks if that is what they should run, rather than the current 150mm revs?
David you beat me to it ... why do folk keep insisting on long forks on SS, buy a 456 instead.
456 summer seasons aren't mr smarty pants...Not sure why this is proving difficult when normally there are around 5 456/inbred related photo threads on the go at once. Ah well guess it's my normal thread killing at work...
It says 456 summer season...In the title, and i did buy one. So dinnae look down your self-righteous nose at me pal. Learn to read properly before mounting your high horse...
No 160mm forks here, just 130mm Revs and the pic was straight after it was built and for insurance purposes. Slacker than a lady of the night.
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Heres a picture of my burly mate Daryl, he's very proud of his 456 SS with its long forks and fat tyre. I laughed at him when he bought it and told him he wouldnt be able to go round corners, but in his mind its perfect for the sort of hardcore trail centres he rides.
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Oh that took you a while to come back with that, i'm spoling for a wee argument now but trying to make an important call. I'll get back to you shortly with the bit of onones own site that states they are designed for 4/5/6 inch forks...
Right that's the wife's doctor appointment sorted...
On-One 456 Summer Season Frame
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456 Summer Season = Super Slack Steel Steed.
Slacker head angle for pointing Long Travel Forks downhill. ISCG BB mount to keep that chain under control on Burms, Drops, Hucks, Air ETC...FAST. A 65.5 degree head angle places your centre of gravity a bit further back than on a regular 456, the difference being more guts and bigger balls on the knarly stuff.
Super subtle and soft, the 456 Summer Season has become one of our most popular rides. On tough all mountain terrain the custom butted DN6 steel frame rides steady and lets you go faster than just about any other hardtail I have ridden.
3 colour choices. None of them understated. But then again it is Summer and this is On-One...
Yorkshire rose headbadge makes it unsuitable for sale or use in lancashire.
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And you've no idea what kind of riding I do, Davidtaylforth hardcore or otherwise, so why don't you wind your neck in, before telling me what bike I shoukd ride....
MussEd ... 456 SS were designed with a very slack HA so you could run short forks and still benefit from the said slack HA. The Summer Season and normal 456 are pretty different beasts.
I'm not sure if you were talking to David or me regarding high horses, etc but I'm sure we were only trying to help. Look at Chainslapps pic and then Kens ... one of those bikes looks and sits right and one doesn't due to the forks (no offence Ken).
Mine sports Z1SL 150mm, used to have 36 Talas R 90-160mm IIRC. Rides well but better down than up.
I was only offering advice in a round about way because ages ago I was going to buy one of these frames. Heres an article on it
http://www.bikemagic.com/gear-news/on-one-456-summer-season/6366.html
Now, I think that's where the problems stem from ... Brant designed the thing to work and behave in a certain way. Now Brant's no longer there they just get 'packaged' and sold as a more hardcore 456 ... the original concept has been forgotton about ... shame really because it worked very well.
That's the kind of help I think i'd have preferred in the first instance,rather than 'My burly mate daryl'! Bit of stress on the phone led me to react to a pretty crap( if i'm honest) joke picture reply. And i ddn't get why you two coukdn't see 456 SS in the title and OP...i apologise!
So have they changed their markting shtick altogether or what since he's gone? Should have paid more attention to the hundreds of onone related threads at the time rather than skipping them...
brant - Member
The Summer Season was initially conceived on the little drop/step off the edge of the millpond wall, towards the bottom of mmmbop in Ragley Woods, when Benji was trying to sort of hop a Cotic with 160mm forks around a techy corner and the fork was just soaking up all his techy moves. It sort of looked like a trials motorcyclist, sort of pumping the fork to move the wheel.Me, Ed, Timk and Benji then went to Mooch afterwards, and over a grilled halloumi sandwich, I decided to make some frames that were 2degs slacker than normal, so you could get the same slackness as a normal 456 frame, but with a lower, shorter fork.
The summer season wasn't really "designed", it was kind of just a modified 456. "Make that, but with 2degs off the head angle". There also exists two frames, one 16in, and one 18in, which were ANOTHER 2degs slacker still, but I've never ridden either. Timk has one I think.
At that time I was riding a rigid, geared on-one 29er.
When the frames landed, I fitted mine with 130mm Revelations, and left them on full travel, cos it seemed rude not to. Then I got into sticky dual ply tyres, and stuff.
It was this experiment with slack head angles that led to me doing more slack head angle stuff with Ragley.
I have no idea whether on-one have changed any of the geometry since I left, which is now 2yrs ago.
brant@shedfire It will still happily run 6in forks if you want to have a 65deg head angle (which we're quite liking to be honest).
It's been a bit odd for us XC Jeyboys to start thinking slacker is better for some things, I'll admit
It's called a 456 Summer Season as it is an evolution of the 456, and I wouldn't want anyone to confuse it with our other shorter-travel-fork frames... as it's quite different really.
>isn't this really a Dialled Bikes Alpine?
I don't think so - you do?
Posted: 30/07/2008 08:27
Read more: http://www.bikemagic.com/gear-news/on-one-456-summer-season/6366.html#ixzz1ECp9wg00
I read that as davidtaylforth undermining his own argument with the link he provided..
I won't say what's right or wrong as we're all different all I can say is I had a 456ss for about 18months with a uturn pike and after a short time it was wound down to 120 and stayed there for the rest of the time I had it, definitely a sweet spot in my opinion and experience, in fact it was just as good at 95mm but I wanted a bit more bounce than that.
As far a I remember when I bought it, the blurb that brant wrote on the on one site was always about achieving a slack H/A with out the need for a long fork, as has been said though, somewhere along the lines thats been forgotten/changed.
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160 36 vans on the front, run to get it as slack as possible and nearer to my dh bike. Rides really well but then I like my bikes super slack (current dh bike 62 HA, full sus xc/trail bike 65ish).
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So, after carelessly letting real life get in the way a bit I nipped out to the bike cave and hurriedly stuck my 32s on. Does this look like a chopper? Will i die if I ride it? One way to find out...though it will be getting brakes first, and gears....And a chain!
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Another one with 140mm Fox 32's.I love it as it is,and wouldn't change this set up.The brakes came off my Patriot, and I CBA shortening them(PITA Hayes,I've never liked bleeding these and only do so when absolutely necessary 🙄