[Closed] 4 pints of lager,4 pkts of crisps, and fill my water bottle up said the cyclists

So what your saying then is that it is perfectly acceptable to hop on a bike with insufficient rations to complete a lengthy ride?
That as far as I'm concerned is a wholly selfish act.
And that it is perfectly acceptable that others should cater for your own self importance?

What the actual ****?

Have you never seen a shop before?

[quote=squoglybob ]It's come to something when a rider can't conduct the most basic of tasks himself.

I'll have you know that the butler has his limits. I did ask though.

This thread is brilliant. So brilliant I have opened another beer and got some snacks out to keep me going. On a school night too. carry on, carry on.

True about turning the taps off though.
Money spent on booze is money more usefully employed elsewhere.
Downstairs, usually.
🙂

My mate Deeks once drank a pint of his own piss in the queue for the bog/tap combo.
He won a tenner from the bloke behind us in the queue though, so it wasn't all bad

It's always an option for any long distance Audaxers reading.

Can someone fill my water bottle?

Do you know who I am?

[quote=binners ]Can someone fill my water bottle?

It sounds like Rusty's mate Deeks could

The cafe at whinlater refused to fill my bottle. And I'd bought food.

I was all ready to be outraged when the girl explained that as it was filthy (and usually are ) the manager had stopped it because, let's face, it the staff do need clean hands.

The solution was for her to give me three glasses of water to do it myself!

Which was fine.

Cool story or what!

Where would you prioritise his request on the list of things you presently need to do?

I'd quite happily take the thirty entire seconds it would take me to fill four water bottles and then serve the next person.

squoglybob - Member

It's funny how everyone thinks it's acceptable,

Why the **** wouldn't it be?
I have a practically endless supply of practically free water. Why would I not help another human being out?

The world would be a much nicer place if arseholes stopped being arseholes just because they can be.

FFS you lot.
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On a LEJOG way back in 2002, we regularly just knocked on the doors of peoples houses and asked for water.

Interested to know if relying on the kindness of strangers is more or less of a hanging offence than purchasing goods and asking nicely for some water in a pub/cafe....?

Never been refused water for bottles in any café/bar/pub when I've been in for food. Not that I stop much nowadays - rides are usually short and quick now. The other good sources of water I used to rely on are the gardeners taps out the back of churches, or edge of town cemeteries in France - always a tap by the gate.

Blimey, this one looks like it will run and run. Lots of good stuff here!

binners - Member
But then again, you're not really that interested in rational discussions are you? Not when there's insults, assumptions and invective to be thrown around eh?
Are you new here?

Sadly not. But perhaps guilty of poking the big bear with a stick. My input into this is if you've entered a pub, bought a drink and snack and want to fill your water bottle, why not? Actually asking the staff to fill your bottle for you? Maybe not, but certainly asking for a pint of water and then filling the bottle yourself is fine.

In perspective, I have on numerous occasions (sometimes when cycling, sometimes when walking) gone into a pub and ordered a pint of beer and asked for a pint of water as well. It's never happened, but if some t**t of a landlord went off on one re the water, he'd be getting it back and then some.

And yes, fwiw I've worked behind the bar in numerous busy restaurants/bars, clubs and pubs over the years

Actually asking the staff to fill your bottle for you? Maybe not, but certainly asking for a pint of water and then filling the bottle yourself is fine.

I can imagine some landlords preferring to fill your bottle. You've just dirtied a pint glass for no reason.

What a sad world we live in when occasionally relying or depending on your fellow man is seen as such a horrific crime.

It's to be expected in an advanced country full of horrible pricks who couldn't give a shit about anyone else or can't see the beauty or opportunity that may arise from helping each other.

I have travelled in so many countries that have been through various degrees of utter shit and oppression where people would be utterly embarrassed if they felt people couldn't ask for water, water would be the very least you would receive.

In Guatemala I asked a random fellow where the local drinking tap was in a small village and he took me and my mate back to his house and insisted we had drink and food with him.

It's a different scenario that started this topic but **** me, this country can be so outrageously pathetic.

The horses are a lot smaller in Central America as well.

I can imagine some landlords preferring to fill your bottle. You've just dirtied a pint glass for no reason

Indeed, I think I must have just taken it for granted that filling a bottle is very similar in effort to filling a pint glass, turns out it's quite a different beast.

I've been thinking about this, and I now have an enormous amount of respect for these people who, despite possessing disabilities so severe that it prevents them from operating a tap, They somehow manage to still get out cycling.

Its very humbling.

I've been thinking about this

Really?

What a sad world we live in when occasionally relying or depending on your fellow man is seen as such a horrific crime.

Exactly. Why wouldn't you help a fellow human, particularly if it required little or no noticeable effort?

In answer to the question I've asked twice, but no-one has answered: Have any of the 'its my legal right, blah, blah, blah....' lot ever worked behind the bar of a busy pub? One that's full of people drinking, and ordering meals, at the busiest period of the week?

Maybe you should try it, then see how you'd feel about some lycra clad cockwomble (possibly disabled) handing you 4 water bottles to fill, while they sat drinking pints and eating crisps

Just a thought.

Have any of the 'its my legal right, blah, blah, blah....' lot ever worked behind the bar of a busy pub? One that's full of people drinking, and ordering meals, at the busiest period of the week?

We're talking about a pub that had time to empty out bottles and have an argument with its customers?

That's completely different. Arguments, and venting your righteous fury, are an enjoyable, rewarding and pleasing use of your time.

Running around after (possibly disabled) haughty, self-entitled roadies isn't

Have any of the 'its my legal right, blah, blah, blah....' lot ever worked behind the bar of a busy pub? One that's full of people drinking, and ordering meals, at the busiest period of the week?

Maybe you should try it, then see how you'd feel about some lycra clad cockwomble (possibly disabled) handing you 4 water bottles to fill, while they sat drinking pints and eating crisps

Just a thought.

Mmmmm sounds similar to the drivers who are so scared shitless they might be held up by 30 extra seconds because of a cyclist that they just pretend you aren't there and nearly smash you into a ditch, do you sympathise with these people who don't have the time as well?

Filling a few bottles takes no time at all, filling them and then emptying them because you are a prick takes double the time.

We don't know how busy it was, but we do know they had time to empty the bottles.

That's completely different. Arguments, and venting your righteous fury, are an enjoyable, rewarding and pleasing use of your time.

Running around after (possibly disabled) haughty, self-entitled roadies isn't

So having argued that the pub didn't have time to fill up water bottles, you're now saying that's because their time was taken up with important more important matters, such as having an argument.

When you've worked out your story, come back to us.

Its not too difficult to get your head around. You don't generally plan arguments. They just happen. That's the soaring, majestic joy of them. One minute its a normal, boring stressful day, and then BOOM ... the next minute you're watching the faux outraged look on some whiney middle class cockbag's grid as you cackle at him like a demented thing, while over-dramatically pouring HIS water all over the floor, then nonchalantly calling him a ginger **** for good measure, to secure your moral victory

Surely everyone would make time in their busy schedule for such joyous life-affirming encounters?

If you wouldn't then you have no soul

Is this one still running??

How did the original story migrate into this,

Maybe you should try it, then see how you'd feel about some lycra clad cockwomble (possibly disabled) handing you 4 water bottles to fill, while they sat drinking pints and eating crisps

and this...

It's not like there's anything on here relating to Singletrack topics, just landed gentry and their carbon road bikes and narrow minded views on the lower classes tending to their needs. It's come to something when a rider can't conduct the most basic of tasks himself.

I thought the issue was that they'd asked for water, not that they'd insisted the staff fill the bottles? The article didn't say the staff had suggested they fill them themselves but the cyclists insisted the staff do it while they sit around doing nothing?

Surely no normal person would refuse someone water if they needed it, just to prove some twisted point of principle that (in their view) they should have been more prepared and self-sufficient?

I'm mean, come on, how fk'd up is that??

I sense there's more to certain contributors' comments than an issue of filling up water bottles. Perhaps there's a few chips on shoulders?

Calling the fuzz was equally OTT though.

Surely no normal person would refuse someone water if they needed it, just to prove some twisted point of principle that (in their view) they should have been more prepared and self-sufficient?

Binners would. Apparently, he'd rather have an argument to prop up his fragile ego than extend basic human courtesy.

I think Binners last post puts this to bed, I suggest people put the troll food away now.

Binners would. Apparently, he'd rather have an argument to prop up his fragile ego than extend basic human courtesy.

Well, you see now you're just generalising. I'm not an animal. If you asked while the blood from the recently hacked off stumps, where your hands used to be, splashed on to the slate floor by the bar, then I would. Possibly. If you asked nicely.

If you still had your own hands, then I wouldn't. Or if your hands had been removed in some unspeakably barbaric act involving some farm machinery, maybe a bailing machine, but you were wearing Sky team kit. I wouldn't then either.

Has that cleared that up?

In answer to the question I've asked twice, but no-one has answered: Have any of the 'its my legal right, blah, blah, blah....' lot ever worked behind the bar of a busy pub? One that's full of people drinking, and ordering meals, at the busiest period of the week?

Yes, have done all sorts of catering work and would always happily give people water (not that it matters, but I would do this regardless of whether they had a legal right to demand it). In fact there are some customers I really wish would've asked for water instead of being drunken arseholes.

I mean I did get occasionally annoyed by requests at big events for "just a hot water with a slice of lemon in it would be lovely" when tea and coffee were on offer, but you know what? I was at work, it was a minor inconvenience, and it made them happier so I did it. Even when everyone else on that table decided they wanted the same thing, I still did it (as this was an event, everything was pre paid so the charging or not thing doesn't really come into it).

Aaaaand while I'm at it, no one is suggesting that the manager said "No I don't want to fill up those dirty bottles." and the option of water in glasses was available. Not that it matters as I hope that the staff would be regularly washing hands anyway - and really this is sooo far from the original post...

Well, you see now you're just generalising. If you asked while the blood from the recently hacked off stumps, where your hands used to be, splashed on to the slate floor by the bar, then I would. Possibly. If you asked nicely.

If you still had your own hands, then I wouldn't. Or if your hands had been removed in some unspeakably barbaric act involving some farm machinery, maybe a bailing machine, but you were wearing Sky team kit

As I was saying, most people have slightly stronger feelings of self-worth so are happy to provide a small kindness to a paying customer. Unfortunately, sad misanthropes do sometimes end up working with the public, really they'd be better off working from home.

their time was taken up with important more important matters, such as having an argument.

'tis the STW way.

As I was saying, most people have slightly stronger feelings of self-worth so are happy to provide a small kindness to a paying customer. Unfortunately, sad misanthropes do sometimes end up working with the public, really they'd be better off working from home.

Nonsense and piffle!!! This great nation of ours has at its very core the total rejection of that awful American 'have a nice day' culture. And rightfully so! What this pub landlord was doing in gleefully and indulgently refusing to offer any kind of service ethic, then swearing at people, was striking a blow for the fundamental principles of Britishness itself, and boldly affirming the true values of this great country of ours

I think you need to recognise that, and give him the respect he deserves. Because if it were left to people like you, with your wishy washy acts of consideration towards strangers, even if they were whiney middle class cockbags dressed like gymnasts, then I don't know where that would leave us, I really don't. We'd probably all be speaking German

*prepares to flounce*

..if they had seating for 4 guys to enjoy a pint then they aren't that busy.
A busy pub is one where it would take 10 minutes to order a pint and then you'd be squashed in the most uncomfortable position in the corner of a room or against the fence. I've worked in busy pubs and have always had time to server and help people (not just customers).

binners - Member
Binners would. Apparently, he'd rather have an argument to prop up his fragile ego than extend basic human courtesy.
Well, you see now you're just generalising. I'm not an animal. If you asked while the blood from the recently hacked off stumps, where your hands used to be, splashed on to the slate floor by the bar, then I would. Possibly. If you asked nicely.

If you still had your own hands, then I wouldn't. Or if your hands had been removed in some unspeakably barbaric act involving some farm machinery, maybe a bailing machine, but you were wearing Sky team kit. I wouldn't then either.

Has that cleared that up?

Ooh, all becomes clear now, I feel so stupid!

Your objectionable rantings were just a (not so) clever 'joke'?

You were trying to be amusing and not a-hole all along.

Yawn.

You were trying to be amusing and not a-hole all along.

You know that quote about it being better to try and fail, than to not try at all? I'm not sure it's true.

Calling me an a-hole is also a dreadful American affectation too, so could you kindly stop it, and swear properly please? Have some self-respect, for gods sake man!

Nonsense and piffle!!! This great nation of ours has at its very core the total rejection of that awful American 'have a nice day' culture. And rightfully so! What this pub landlord was doing in gleefully and indulgently refusing to offer any kind of service ethic, then swearing at people, was striking a blow for the fundamental principles of Britishness itself, and boldly affirming the true values of this great country of ours

Exactly. The last thing we want is for the influx of peoples from far-flung places where hospitality and welcome are part of the culture to dilute the traditional English values of being a miserable curmudgeonly bastard.

The irony is that these cheerful foreign immigrants that Binners despises have actually had much harder lives than him and his bigoted pub-landlord cronies and yet somehow manage not to act like total ****s.

Ok binners I'll throw the troll a roll 😀

Maybe you should try it, then see how you'd feel about some lycra clad cockwomble (possibly disabled) handing you 4 water bottles to fill, while they sat drinking pints and eating crisps

cheerful foreign immigrants that Binners despises

Are you just trying to troll Binners in some kind of retaliatory gesture now?

binners - Member
Calling me an a-hole is also a dreadful American affectation too, so could you kindly stop it, and swear properly please? Have some self-respect, for gods sake man!

I used a-hole cos the swear filter would take out the full version, obvs!

Sadly, I fear the only person you are amusing with your Charlie Brooker wannabe style, is yourself!

And there's a word for people who 'amuse' themselves, it begins with a 'w' and rhymes with 'yanker'.

binners - Member

In answer to the question I've asked twice, but no-one has answered

I'm a barkeep in a busy pub, and your question was answered before you asked it.
Maybe you've had enough already.
Have a glass of water instead.
Would you like ice and lemon?
🙂

xxx
sbob.

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**** off and get it yourself cokie