[Closed] £300 for Carbon 456 - is that a bargain?

I suppose I should add that I currently have a steel 456, and I'm tempted by the weight saving

I'd get a Cotic Bfe, coz the look nicer.

18 Bikes have a Genesis Latitude for the same money.

I think the correct answer is... yes.

Mine was a bargain at400

Yes - that's a lot of frame for your money and will be immense fun. I loved mine until it got half-inched. I was going to replace it with another but bought the Ti one because it came up on offer. Otherwise I would've bought the same again. I was going to buy a matt black one and cut On-One decals from mirrored adhesive vinyl. I thought that would look pretty cool.

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I was going to buy a matt black one and cut On-One decals from mirrored adhesive vinyl. I thought that would look pretty cool

A friend once had a matt black beetle with mirrored windows. We thought that was pretty cool but we were young then. I hope you have the same excuse. 🙂

Very tempted with one myself at the moment, If we weren't spending all our money on building work I think It would be a certainty.

That looks like a pretty serious drop off.

TBH I'd consider it good value at £500 still. I paid £400 for mine with a headset and a pair of stupid On One bars that they obviously couldn't sell, and that was a bargain... You get a lot of bike for the money.

I brought one couple of weeks ago absolutely love it.
Buy..Buy..Buy! 😀

honourablegeorge - Member

18 Bikes have a Genesis Latitude for the same money.

what size?

I loved mine until it got half-inched.

Please tell me you didn't use the crappy lock attached to the seatpost in the pic?!

I paid £400 for mine with a headset and a pair of stupid On One bars that they obviously couldn't sell

I rang up and bartered the bars for a seat post.... 😀

They've been around the £300 mark for the frame alone for a year now (My bars and headset were worth £80-ish, so I paid £320) They ain't gonna get any cheaper than that.
Standard transfers are GOPPING so I had some made up. Gunmetal grey with a silver outline, based on the original On One font.

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Ohh, I would have loved a BeFe but I was put off them and onto the 456 by two things, in this order:

1) The price
2) The weight

It really is that simple.

Without too much effort (Still got a Deore chain set, cheap bars, OEM saddle, biggish tyres etc) it comes in at under 26lb, 25.5lb with summer tyres on (that's real weights off a set of scales and including pedals, not guesstimations, BTW) There's some typical On One "features" that can annoy, but if it got nicked, I'd probably buy another, yes.

Happy bunny 🙂

Yes they are brilliant !

I paid that awhile back. I upgraded from the steel 456. The same fun handling, but much, much better ride and a fair bit lighter.

I've pre-ordered one as it seems good value and fancy a project. It will be bright red 🙂

But it, I had one and bloody loved it, only the lure of clown wheels made me sell it and I still miss it. Like others are saying £300-£500 its still an awesome frame.

Good feedback looking forward to it arriving wonder if it will come before Xmas?

SLACKSET makes it more fun.

Please tell me you didn't use the crappy lock attached to the seatpost in the pic?!

No, but I might as well have:

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peter p what usual on one features that annoy?

Like short hedtube?

300??? I'd love one at that price but I'm broke this month 🙁

I've bought one, bought the last 16" raw last week, only to be told it didn't exist. So, having to wait it out till new stock on the 20th. 😐 very disappointed I was. New stock on 20th probably means delivered to me in Jan, I expect?
Love my Summer Season, but for me it's the weight thing (with roughly the same geometry). Selling my SS frame to part fund will make it £200 approx.

Anyone had one of these and also owned / ridden a mmmbop? How do they compare?

DT78 ask brant he's on this thread. He'll probably reply 456 as its name isn't a silly US boys band.

SLACKSET will have to be a future upgrade this project has a tight budget!!

DT78 - Member

Anyone had one of these and also owned / ridden a mmmbop? How do they compare?

I got mine to replace my Mmmbop, which I'd gone right off... With the works components headset in the geometry is fairly similiar, 456 feels longer and doesn't climb as well though. (I'm not sure how much longer, if at all, it actually is- but it feels it)

The big difference is in the rear end... The Mmmbop's stupidly stiff rear just ruined it for me in the end, I got totally fed up of the way it bounced off every rock- bad for control, bad for traction. The C456 has a much softer rear end- it's still nicely direct for pedalling etc, certainly not a noodle but on the same trails, with the same tyres, it's constantly far more consistent and in control as the rear can track over and round obstacles that the Mmmbop just bounced off.

In an ideal world I'd have had a Ragley Ti but this was 1/3d as much and comes very close.

Hhmmm thanks Northwind, mmmbop is stiff - I don't find it too much of an issue on my local short woodsy blasts. Love the way it rides, just tempted to try something new.

B.A.Nana - are you still selling you SS? if so i could be interested 😀

On-topic - fantastic deal. go buy 8)

Yep... that's a bagain.

Is there an adaptor so you can use a normal 1 1/8 headset?

http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/HSOOSMTAPER/on_one_smoothie_mixer_tapered_headset

peter p what usual on one features that annoy?

1) Head tube is too short for certain Rock Shox tapered forks, and the headset grounds out on the top of the taper
IMO, 2 reasons for this:
a) There's no standard spec for the length of the taper
b) On One's obsession with short head tubes finally shoots them (Well, me...) in the foot
If you look in the pic I have a +3mm crown race on the fork which O-O made for me, which fixed the problem, but it's a work-round, not a proper fix. They did send me an external top race for the headset which would do the same thing, but it's MASSIVE and I'm not sure about the fit of the top plate it came with, so I've never tried it, TBH

2) Odd cable routing. For some reason there's 2 sets of rear brake hose clips, one on the seat stay and another on the chain stay. Not a problem really, but it's unnecessary and a bit ugly
The front cable/hose clips are poorly positioned, and too far back. I've had to zip-tie the rear brake hose and rear shifter cables together onto one clip to stop flappage.
Again, no biggie, it's just a sign of the lack of testing/thought that's gone into them.

But to be fair most On Ones have some odd design feature, and I'll put up with it for the price 🙂

PeterPoddy - Member

For some reason there's 2 sets of rear brake hose clips, one on the seat stay and another on the chain stay.

One for each of the brake caliper positions. It does make sense, but it's still [i]fugly[/i]. My Oro just barely fits inside the frame after a bit of lathework so I can see the need.

[i]One for each of the brake caliper positions.[/i]

There's only one caliper mount position on PP's photo, are there different dropouts with different caliper positions?

And, on a related note, do BB7s work/fit when the calipers between the stays as per PP's photo?

Ohh, I would have loved a BeFe but I was put off them and onto the 456 by two things, in this order:

1) The price
2) The weight

Well, the weight may be more, but the price sure aint:

http://www.cotic.co.uk/product/BFe

And you have the added bonus of a bike that doesn't look like the T1000 after Arnie has shot him.

are there different dropouts with different caliper positions?

yes

Cheers Brant.

And the BB7 question anyone?

Hmm, I too have been feeling the same urge to go 456 C. I do have a steel 456 which I like but am not devoted too.Its too heavy and feels a bit like a tank. I made the mistake of having a test ride on a Soul which felt a lot more subtle but was more money than I had to spare.
So will I really notice the difference or would I be better off hanging on til I can afford a Soul?

FOG - Member

So will I really notice the difference or would I be better off hanging on til I can afford a Soul?

Tricky one this. TBH I would say that my C456 really doesn't remind me much of a steel 456. Doesn't really make sense, but the ride is so different that the identical geometry takes a back seat. What it does remind me of constantly, is my old Soul.- it has that same spark and playfulness.

Soul's geometry is a bit better as standard IMO- 456 is competent, Soul is excellent- but the 2 really do the same job, in much the same way, I don't think you'd go wrong with either. If you want a harder hitting bike then the 456 comes into its own- tapered steerer gives you more options to mess around with geometry, and it'll take a bigger fork.

My 456 steel was different altogether from the carbon one I have currently - I ran/run an Alfine on both, slighlty longer fork 130mm on the carbon one - and have totally fallen in love with the carbon one. As per FOG, I liked the steel one, but could have taken / left it whereas the carbon one I seem to be riding all the time.

So, bargain or not?

Yes. I got one at £300. Well pleased.

Now trying to flog the full susser.

Beware, the 16", 18" and 20" are actually very similar in size (reach-wise).

If we're discussing C456 minor niggles...
SS dropouts need a bit of work, the disc slots don't have as much "travel" as the dropouts, had to file my chaintug right down to fit inside the lumpy carbon stay ends. cable routing might be better if they riveted stops to the headtube (less cable rub too) Top tube could do with sloping a little, brake levers catch slightly if the bars spin (during crashes I don't spin them on purpose!)

but yeah I'd recommend getting one, £300 is a bargain.

I missed out on the last red 18. Tempted to pre-order and sling everything over from my Hummer which - since I had my ST4 - feels just a bit too short. Tempting.

Has anyone mounted a shimano brake with 203mm rotor on the horizontal dropouts? Does it fit between the stays?

thankspeter p really helpful info

Donk hopefull brants focusing on the new green/yellow colourway has solved your niggles?

FOG - Member
Hmm, I too have been feeling the same urge to go 456 C. I do have a steel 456 which I like but am not devoted too.Its too heavy and feels a bit like a tank. I made the mistake of having a test ride on a Soul which felt a lot more subtle but was more money than I had to spare.
So will I really notice the difference or would I be better off hanging on til I can afford a Soul?

That Genesis frame is supposedly very Soul-like.

One thing you'll need to watch out for - larger size calipers (Avid Elixir 5, in my case) on 160mm rotors foul the seatstay. They make a crap swapout with the brake caliper vertically mounted but it flexes and the brake squeals like a banshee. Much better to just fit a 185mm rotor and use the standard swapout.

I think the Ragleys were Brant's best work and he should be justly proud of this work. I have been mad on bikes for thirty years and I think the mmmbop is the best hardtail I have ever ridden. I used to be a big Gary Fisher Genesis fan previously. Always been a fan of long top tube bikes. I have never owned an On One, though I did have the weirdly ugly but nice Planet X Armadillo.

I too hated the stiffness of the mmmbop's rear end, until I bought a nice comfy seat, a large volume 2.3 rear tyre and put in what feels like the right air pressure. I still like the look of the Troof, despite Brant's departure from Ragley. The carbon 456 does appeal to me, and very tempting.. red or raw or black...

van cough cough - Member

Though I too hated the stiffness of the rear end, until I bought a nice comfy seat,

Seat makes no difference when you're not sitting on it 😕 I was always fine with the comfort side, more bothered by the rear end's inability to follow the front if both speed and lumps happened at the same time. Not a problem the C456 has, with the exact same kit.

I dunno, I doubt I ride as well as you. I am now getting older. But I love the mmbop's stability and balanced feel. I don't understand why it was such a flash in the pan. Best £150 I have EVER spent. The mmbop has done over 100 hundred miles per week since I bought it.

van cough cough - Member

I doubt I ride as well as you

Lets not rule out the likelihood that it's me being s**t 😆 I did like mine, don't want to be too critical- the C456 might not be the best hardtail I've ever ridden but it's definately in the top 2, so I'm only really criticising the Bop by comparison. And my Mmmbop did cost 1/3d as much as the C456 + adjuster headset, so considering it did the exact same job it's only fair that it didn't do it quite as well.

For me, I really like my 456SS tank, then I went off and built a lightweight Rock Lobster XC of about 21-23lb (depending on carbon rigids or sus forks) and it was/is a joy to ride.
1. It makes me feel like I'm twice as fit and hill climbing's a joy.
2. It floats over everything and it's so easy to get it airborne. It just seems to make pumping and prejumping really easy. I always get the sense I'm flowing better.

So, my wish to Santa (although this present might be late thanks to ON-ONE) is that my two bikes combine into one, with my new 456 Carbon, producing a most awesome bike, when it arrives.

Took me a while to get to like my mmmbop but love it now. Northwind, I know what you mean about the back end. Find it can get quite tricky on fast bumpy flat turns. Though I like that it makes me work harder at reading the trail, unweighting or hopping over the rough stuff. I get it wrong a lot of the time and it's a harsh lesson. It can feel like a lack of skill magnifier! From what I've read here I'd quite fancy a spin on a c456, I suspect I'd quite like it.

can anyone give me a little advice when it comes to the 456c as im building one at the mo and i want to get some Fox 32 TALAS 140 and im a bit worried there might be a problem with the fittng as ive read there has been with rock shoxs?
cheers

Cruzer
Didn't spot your post, but it was mentioned to me on a night ride tonight. Yes, my 456SS frame will be for sale in the new year. It's currently part built, but will be stripped for parts when the 456 carbon arrives (seat clamp will be included, but not sure about the headset yet). It's a raw lacquered finish. I've owned it from new and it hasn't had much use really, still in very good condition, with just some chain slap and probably the odd cable rub. I'll get in touch after New Year and give you first refusal, at least.

Broken4ribs, I think the issue is just with a tapered steerer. If it's not got one then you'll be fine. If it does have one then the fox ones should be fine as it's to do with the length of the taper on the RS forks.

cheers B.A.Nana, would be awesome :D. i assume its a 16" frame?

cruzer
Yes 16"
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I'll sort out some pics when I strip it down, and email them

can anyone give me a little advice when it comes to the 456c as im building one at the mo and i want to get some Fox 32 TALAS 140

And if you are buying a new fork, you might want to save a bit of money/weight and forego the Talas, the c456 rides great at 140mm and I never adjust the travel on my fork.

You will want to check this more fully- but as I understand it the issue with tapered forks is only known to happen with Rockshox, and only on the small frame.

And TALAS is a bit pants tbh... I like having uturn on bikes like this, since they're interesting to ride at different fork lengths, but then uturn doesn't impact the performance of the fork at all.

I already had a similar steel setup but was curious to give one a try so I thought it would be rude not to at that price:D. I finally built it up but i'm yet to ride it. Went for a light\strong combo of a build so come in 24lb odd but should be stable and raggable (Pike Air\XT+XTR 1x9\Flows on Pro2).

I'll let you know how I get on!

By the way Hope do an alternative to the On-One headset for 1-1/8th fork.
I went for the "Pick N Mix" and bought cups "[b]2[/b]" "[b]F[/b]" and "[b]HS136[/b]" 1 1/8” to 1.5” lower steerer crown race converter. That way if I ever need to run a taper fork I just dont use the HS136 converter race.

Just had my new frame built up with parts left from my old specialized. Bought new forsk, easton bars, stem and seatpost and some bonty MUD-X tyres.

Taking her out tomorrow for a jolly good thrashing on the trails.

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since brants readin this thread, why do the the carbon frames have such short head tubes?

£300 for Carbon 456 - is that a bargain?