[Closed] 1x11 trickles down...

Ive been running my full xx1 for over 5 months now and its been faultless - chains seem to stretch much less than 10spd (only just changed to a new one at .75% stretch) only used to get 3 months from a 10spd one.

As to the gearing well as a previous 1x10 user i too didnt really think id need the 42t but now ive settled with 34t up front ive effectively got 1 lower and 1 higher gear than my previous 34x11-36 setup.

Having the 34/42 bailout gear is nice especially on longer rides in the peaks where its nice to be able to spin up long steep stuff rather than grind up as i used too have too.

I'll never be going back to 10spd or front mechs again.

bloody hell, there are a lot of fit people on here.

I'm amazed that you're able to do a 5-6hr ride on big mountains with that gearing. Oh well, fair play to you.

My bottom gears 32-36 and it's enough for anything I've pointed it up. Yes I walk up some things,

thegeneralist - Member

Excellent, love that statement.

Nice selective quoting, I said the weight and geometry of the bike beocme an issue before the gearing does. Not that I struggle due to the gearing.

90% of ride my lowest gear is 34-20 (29er), it's also my highest.

bloody hell, there are a lot of fit people on here.

I'm amazed that you're able to do a 5-6hr ride on big mountains with that gearing. Oh well, fair play to you.

Ride fairly regulalry in the Lakes and Peaks, and wouldn't bother going out in either for less than 4 hours/40miles, and I don't considder myself that fit!

bloody hell, there are a lot of fit people on here.

Yep, is that a difficult concept to grasp?

Another 1x10 32-36er here. If I was doing a CRC Marathon 100km, or a 24hr, I'd need a bail out gear but W2 or Skyline at Afan, or a couple of laps of Cwmcarn, on a 29lb FS 29er I was totally fine with those ratios.

I'm reasonably fit but not stellar fit. Probably mid-pack in Sport for XC at a guess (I've not raced) – probably mid-pack, maybe sneaking in upper third in Masters for Enduro, I'm a better endurance racer to be fair – top 10-15 at a 12/24 hour solo.

I'm not super lycra speed king fit. I just ride hills enough to get used to it. And talking the moster huge Surrey Hills here, all of 300m height 😀

Just ride ride ride. Gets me up hills at Afan, CYB and the like on 1x10 11-36 without really noticing the granny is not an option.

That said, yes, the Lakes did hit me a bit. However I'd been skiing for a couple of weeks before which put me nearly 4 weeks off the bike based on only getting weekend rides in at the time. So I blame that 😀

In fact seriously, I do find just a week off the bike makes climbs a fair bit harder.

Still, I'd rather have the odd push up than deal with the clunky and chain dropping/sucking hassles with a 2x/3x set up (and 2x pulley guides I had big issues with, so much that the thing got ripped apart by chain suck). Single up front with top guide, maybe pulley and a clutch mech. Problem solved.

Oh and sram 2x10... awful shifting. Too huge a range between big and granny. Spin, clunk, chain drop. Spin, grind, grind, grind, finally shifts onto big or the cable snaps, and then sometimes chain drops.

1x11... bring it on (for the right price).

Yep, is that a difficult concept to grasp?

No, not at all.

the_lecht_rocks - Member
well, I'm STILL waiting for the cassette to turn up allowing me to run my XX1.......
4 months of anticipation
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Try Bike-discount.de they've got stock and loads cheaper than UK sellers.

nope - i'm an absolute local[ish] dealer convert im afraid.

*Struts in*

I used to ride the peak with a 38/48 front and a 32t granny cog at the back...

bratty - Member

*Struts in*

I used to ride the peak with a 38/48 front and a 32t granny cog at the back...

I used to ride there with a 38t single ring.

I now have knee cartilage problems at 26 😛

I'm waiting for it to reach X9 level.

I've been happy so far with my 1x10 set up (34 tooth ring with an 11-36 cassette) and can get up most stuff in the Peaks, Hebden, trail centres etc.

Agree with those who have said that it will be interesting to see how Shimano react because more and more people are ditching their front mechs. I like Sram gears anyhow, so will probably go 11 speed once its more affordable.

I'm very unfit at the moment.

I managed just fine at Afan and Cwm Carn a couple of weeks ago on 1x10 with 34 chairing, 11-36 and a 29er. Given the shocking state of my fitness, I was quite concerned in advance as to how I'd cope but it wasn't an issue. I'm typically a spinner too fwiw.

24x28 was the awesomely low mtb granny gear BITD, which was only slightly lower than a 32x34 single ring setup today.

I've also yet to find a UK trailcentre that can't be 99% ridden singlespeed.... Most of the Lakes is also feasible ss (OK Walna Scar is a walk).

I'm quite looking forward to the 42 rear cassette option for Alpine duties and Lakeland passes on my 29er (where I'm stuck with a 32t Uno ring). But I'd be even more interested in a 10speed version without the stupid tiny bottom sprocket (so it also goes on regular hubs).

I'm amazed that you're able to do a 5-6hr ride on big mountains with that gearing. Oh well, fair play to you.

For me, that's the issue.

I can ride everything* with Shimano 1x10 for the first couple of hours. So for short loops it's ideal. But anything longer and I do struggle a bit. For all out efficiency on long rides (3+ hours) I'd probably have to go for a double. I'm happy though, I have the shifters / chainrings to turn my bike back into 2x10 but I don't want to just at the moment.

*Including nasty steep stuff that a lot of people don't bother to ride. On really difficult/technical climbs often the momentum is important and I find that if I try and spin up in the granny gear I'll fail whereas 1x10 forces you to keep the power on which is great for training and powering up difficult stuff. On long/steep/not technical climbs I sometimes miss the granny ring though.

The best option for me would be something like 34t up front and 11-42. On the mountain bike I don't really care about big gaps between sprockets so 10 speed is fine. I'd have considered XX1 if it wasn't so bloody expensive! C'Mon Shimano, show us what you've got.

Check out General Lee cassette adapter. Turns a 10 speed cassette into one up to 40t.

I'm amazed that you're able to do a 5-6hr ride on big mountains with that gearing. Oh well, fair play to you.

Could be wrong, but people here generally aren't riding in the Andes or Himalayas.

hmmmm its going to a slight step backwards for me and many others i assume....

im currently 1x10 11-36, and my legs are now defined/setup for this setup, ill never ever get off and push in this gear unless its ridiculously steep, but everything round are way is pretty steep as it is....

standard midweek rides consist of anywhere between a 14-25 miles, with at least 2500feet of climb (on average id say its more like 3000 every time)

then weekend rides if time allows (which it usually does) will be 25-35 mile rides (also weather dependant) with upto 6000feet of climbing....

all of the climbs we do we always ride, if we need a break we stop for a break after the cilmbs or just one stop midride for a little breather , but ive not failed power wise on any of the climbs (bar 1 that springs to mind, which is just mega long and very steep)

not willy waving, just as per njee etc, people are fit, and can cope with a 1x10 setup for almost any terrain, my legs have adapted (or ive got fitter) and i cant imagine ever going back to a full 2x/3x setup

however if in a few years shimano does 1x11 and its reasonably priced (ala xt in germany) then i guess i'd have it, but in a way it will be a step back fitness wise for many

it still pisses on any 2x/3x setup mind, but if your fit enough (have the will/desire/physique/build/bike etc) then you can get up anything after enough hard work and fitness

edit : just seen that general lee thing, that looks interesting for anyone who is considering 1x11 sram setup, of course if you have the 1x10 and are struggling slightly or just need a bit extra for an enduro type even or similar!

i wouldnt be surprised is shimano trump sram, and bring something out similar so no body has to upgrade to 11 speed!

if a company like that can do it, surely a company of shimano's size has the resources to do something similar if not better

I'm waiting for an XX1 cassette to complete my groupset. I've been running 32x11-34 on my hardtail for a few years and the same on my full suss for the last couple of months. On the hardtail its fine and I don't see a need for a lower gear but on the big-bike which I take up the bigger hills (Mountains) I'd like a lower gear. Its not the steepness that gets me so much as the rough/looseness. To get through really rough/loose sections my trick is to get into a low gear and hit the rough spinning fast and pinballing through. Running the 1x9 does not give me a low enough gear for this style of riding and I find I'm simply not able to get through some of the tough bits I can usually ride... which is dissapointing and frustrating as I know I can ride them. Once stalled it's also very difficult to get going again with the 1x9 on the steep and rough, if I had a lower gear I could start to ride from where I stop more often... again frustrating as the challenge is to ride as much as you can, or have in the past (or you might as well walk all of the climb IMHO etc etc)

1x9 was great for Glentress a few weeks ago... although I've ridden all that on a 33x18 singlespeed so no surprises there

End of the willy waving. I hate front mechs and would not go back to one if I can at all help it (even on my road bike I find it a PITA)...

I think the 11 speed XX1 and derivatives are a game changer. People started running 1x9/10 because it worked better and gave them the gearing they needed, but there is a compromise at either end of the ratios IMHO. XX1 (etc) takes a good step to fix that compromise. Well done SRAM for listening and reacting... smell the coffee Shimano.

In terms of fitness, you don't need to be mega-fit to single ring most things in the UK... I'm in reasonable shape but it's all just bike-fitness, no actual "training", just riding. Sometimes a long or draggy/lumpy climb gets me though... I was glad for the granny at kinlochleven but it's never been missed at a trailcentre.

But, where it does fall down IMO is low grip- because all you can really do is torque everything, you can't spin it for smoothness and grip. My 1x9 setup was piss-poor in the snow and ice, and at the inners enduro last month I ended up pushing some sloppy climbs that I'd normally have just strolled up in the granny just because I couldn't find the grip. Irritating, that.

I rarely need the granny ring on my triple, but given that it weighs chuff all, it's nice to have a bail-out, and I have the bonus of a much nicer spread of ratios on the cassette.

one things for sure, ill never go back to a triple, i used to hate front mechs, devils work them...never get them setup right and even when i did after a few rides it would have taken a whack and gone out of sync again....hated it when it clogged up with mud (didnt work) etc, just generally crap!

i do love 1x10, and yes although i can ride everything with a 11-36 as above, its mega hard work on some climbs, i do like punishing myself, climbings 'my thing' but then on some longer rides, i guess it would be nice to spin up rather than kill my legs out the saddle just to not stop (you get fitter this way as you have no choice, so its catch 22)...

i do like the idea of that general lee adaptor thing though, without having to get a new groupset!

does it work on shimano gears too or just sram?

I've looked at the 11 speed technology and its the best thing to hit mountain biking in a long long time.

You doubters are clearly ill informed.

I'm not biased as I personally only see the need for a single or dingle but for those in the know who genuinely benefit from this new technology its their ultimate setup to date.

9 speed cassette weighs 160g, a 10spd 163g and a 11spd 166g all for 11-23T

not in a rush for 1x11, but wouldn't mind, think it would be good for local bike, but i'll be keeping a dual setup on my lakes bike for a while yet

No, not at all.

You do get that 10-42 gives a crazy range right? It's not like just lopping off 2 rings on the front. If you used 32 single ring on the front, and hopped into the 42 on the back, you'd be roughly the same as being in the second easiest gear on an old 3x9 setup (22 chainring, 11-32 cassette).

It just trims down the range a bit, getting rid of the overlap and extreme gears on both ends.

I'm definitely going to be kitting my nomad out with 1x11 as soon as it becomes more available and a bit cheaper. I have had enough of a front mech.

forexpipz - Member

its their ultimate setup to date.

Lawl.

I've looked at the 11 speed technology and its the best thing to hit mountain biking in a long long time.

You doubters are clearly ill informed.

I'm not biased as I personally only see the need for a single or dingle but for those in the know who genuinely benefit from this new technology its their ultimate setup to date.

I have a new favourite derranged posted!

I like everything about the last paragraph.

i do like the idea of that general lee adaptor thing though, without having to get a new groupset! does it work on shimano gears too or just sram?

I think just sram at present as what they've made so far depends on how the spider splits up and they've designed it for sram so far, or something. Also has to be one of the split spider cassette not a single block.

As for a big name doing such a thing. Problem is it would detract from sales of a 1x11 system and they're all about trying to sell people new systems.

I like everything about the last paragraph.

The whole thing is just great! Combined with some good wheels you've got the foundation for the perfect bike.

You do get that 10-42 gives a crazy range right? It's not like just lopping off 2 rings on the front. If you used 32 single ring on the front, and hopped into the 42 on the back, you'd be roughly the same as being in the second easiest gear on an old 3x9 setup (22 chainring, 11-32 cassette).

It just trims down the range a bit, getting rid of the overlap and extreme gears on both ends.

Yes. I think there's been a bit of confusion - I'm amazed at the stuff people are riding on 1x10, with 32t up front and 11-36 out back.

I could cope with 1x11 because of the 42t rear and the range it gives as you describe.

Yes. I think there's been a bit of confusion

Why? Plenty of people get by on 1x10, no one is denying that XX1 gives a significantly wider range, but I don't think there's any confusion.

Personally I have a 36t chainring and 11-36 block, and I've yet to walk up anything that I could get up with a smaller chainring, in fact I can only think of one hill I've walked up full stop, and I'm confident it's very doable. I'd like XX1, as it would give a bit more of a bail out gear which is nice when racing and I'm a bit dead, but 1x10 isn't enough of an issue to make me go back to a double. YMMV.

njee + 1,000,000

theres no confusion at all, people who run 1x10 have grown stronger, worked harder and got fitter in the process to be able to cope with the climbs, that sums me up

assuming your not quite strong enough at the mo for 1x10 and by you saying you could get up something with 1x11 on, there is no doubt that even if you can get up it in 1x11 that i could also get up it in 1x10 guise, i may have to put a bit more effort in with the 1x10 but id still get up it even if you sat there spinning with a 1x11 setup...

so theres no confusion at all, as njee, it would be nice to have a bail out if knackered/dead legs but it still wouldnt stop me getting up something id just have to put more effort in

I have no idea what you two are on about.

I was responding directly to Toasty and his comments about me not realising that 10-42 gives a wide range.

So where does the confusion come in? Now I'm confused.

fair do's just i assumed you were referring to the fact you couldnt understand how people can climb stuff 1x10

point still stands though, some people just can, loads of factors involved really but with enough fitness some folks can get up stupid stuff with singlespeed! (which ive seen done)

anyways 1x11 is a great idea if your running 3x/2x chainrings, and is great for any type of enduro type long distance riding....if it ever comes down in price id consider it, though id also consider this general lee thing if it was shimano compatible

What kind of flat trails are people riding that they can use 1x9 in 11 11-32 guise?

If people can singlespeed, they can ride 1x9.

Personally, I only have triples, I even just re-fitted a triple to my road bike! 😯

[quote=njee20]So where does the confusion come in? Now I'm confused.

I think [I]justinbieber[/I] is referring to his own confusion over not realising the extra spread of gears that XX1 gives you.. although I may be confused about that..

Anyway, finally got my XX1 cranks this week after months of waiting (apparently there were only 30-40 sets coming into the country on each drop) and I have to say it is lurvely! I can also confirm that Swinley poses no obstacle to the limits of this gearing 😆

That General Lee adapter looks good - i'd use it to enable a larger front ring to extend my higher gears rather than extending the lower gears - i've enough at the low end but could do with more at the high end of the range. The only problem with the General Lee adapter I can see is the steps in those larger 4 sprockets. Is anyone riding it?

I can also confirm that Swinley poses no obstacle to the limits of this gearing 😆

The definition of 'all the gear(s)'? Swinley poses no challenges singlespeed! 😆

[quote=thisisnotaspoon]The definition of 'all the gear(s)'? Swinley poses no challenges singlespeed!

Oi, I resemble that remark!

One gear. Steel frame. The rest can burn in eternal maintenance misery. Oh yeah. Rigid too.

If your an equipment whore. Save yourself the trouble and go learn Solidworks. You can tweak your nads off till you are blue in the face.

I think justinbieber is referring to his own confusion over not realising the extra spread of gears that XX1 gives you.. although I may be confused about that..

Nope!

At no point in this thread have I been confused about that. I know, and always have, that XX1 gives pretty much the same spread of gears as 2x9 (22,32 and 11-32). What has baffled me is the number of guys riding steep stuff that I need a 22t up front, on 32, 34 or 36t chainrings.