I'm buying my 1st road bike for a bit of winter and summer training - it'll [u]only[/u] be used on the road for 40-60mile rides and the occasional 80-100 mile ride.
I've up to a grand to spend (cycle2work) but every bike I've been drawn to has been a cyclocross bike, mainly because to my mtb biased eyes they look great but this is completely the wrong approach.
So what should I be looking for in a road bike? unfortunately getting a test ride will be very difficult (as its cycle2work).
I have a choice of the following brands:
Kona, GT, Cannondale, Cube, Willier, Scott, Genesis, Orbea, Felt, Specialized, Giant, Charge, Whyte, Trek, Merida, Focus, Saracen, Moda, Raleigh, oh and Boardman....
Giant defy. Probably most comfy and good value.
Giant Defy . . . make sure you get the right size though, their sizing is different from most brands.
Boardman get great reviews and look very good vfm. Same as Giant really. (probably the same bike in reality)
Snap, was presented with exactly the situation you describe when the cycle to work scheme opened up at my work! However I didn't have your strength of mind and went with the easy option. I pick up my Cannondale CAADX (and a pair of GP 4 seasons to swap onto them) tomorrow!
Giant and Boardman are quite different, ride, geometry, comfort. Both superb value.
I got a road bike about 2 years ago, IMO mountain biking in great scenery is usually a better day out but going downhill at 50 mph is still a huge buzz 😀
At that price and above, most companies make a more 'race orientated bike' (Although still nowhere near as racey as a pro bike) and a more comfortable 'sportive' orientated bike. The difference being in the frame geometries. So for example Cannondale do the Caad 8 (race) and the Synapse (comfort).
Cannondale arguably still have some of the best (if not the best) alumminium frames. They hold their value very well too. (Check out the old Caad 9 frames on ebay, they still fetch high prices compared to competition). I think their geometry is spot on too. That'd be my choice although if you don't mind having the Ford Focus of the bike world and want good value parts and frame for the price then a Boardman is good but they are a bit... boring.
Other are fine, nothing wrong with Giant - good for the money. Merida are a huge company but strangely not that well known over here, they actually make Specialized frames(!) Don't bother with Whyte, Saracen or Charge.
mmmmm, TBH will probably end up with the 'boring' option of the Boardman, i'd been speaking with colleagues and, although not impossible its difficult to get the 'other' brands - cant see the point in spending the extra £300 on the new carbon Team so will end up with the sport....
Which leads me on to my next question - will I get away with spending the remaining money on shoes, pedals, mudguards, and a £180 jacket? the guide lines say 'reflective clothing'
Yes you can buy accessories with your voucher as far as I know.
Using the ford focus analogy above isn't it the case of that you won't really go wrong with any of them. Whether it's a dacia or a merc you'll get from a to b. If you are not coming from the merc you wont know what you are missing.
Who is your scheme with? Getting a test ride shouldn't be a problem or do you have a small window to apply? One you get the voucher you'll have a bit of time to spend it.
mate has a caad8, its a nice bike.
From the sound of it the scheme is the halfords one, when they first started you could get pretty much any brand but the last time my company used them it had to be from there stock.
As long as the jacket had done element of reflective material you'll be fine (you'll probably be fine even if it hadn't)
From the cyclesche website on allowed accessories (you might have trouble with shoes). Bear in mind it's governed by HRMC rules not common sense.:
What safety equipment is allowed?
Allowable safety equipment includes:
Cycle helmets
Bells
Lights, including dynamo packs
Mirrors and mudguards to ensure riders visibility is not impaired
Cycle clips and dress guards
Panniers, luggage carriers and straps to allow luggage to be safely carried
Child safety seats
Locks and chains to ensure cycle can be safely secured
Pumps, puncture repair kits, cycle tool kits and tyre sealant to allow for minor repairs
Reflective clothing along with white front reflectors and spoke reflectors
+1 on Merida, seriously underrated bikes in my humble op, gping from a mtb to road i would definately go down the cyclocross route. One thing i found when out on my road bike is covering big miles, finding paths and bridleways i didnt know existed, and therfore dying to check them out, but with the road bike not having the tool for the job. Ive got a cross bike now and just finding i can explore more, just call it reconissence for the mtb 🙂
Cannondale CAADX - perfect for commuting.
Unless you are planning on getting into racing a cyclocross-style frame is absolutely perfect for commuting.
The wider tyres / comfier geometry are perfect for our pothole-laden roads.
Picked up a Speccy Tricross 2 years ago and love it to bits but the CAADX is next on my list :0)
cross bikes allow bigger tyres and mudguards - both great for commuting
IME, riding a cross bike on anything but really smooth offroad tracks is a pain in the, well, everything so I'd say only buy a cross bike if you're happy NOT trailriding on it (a 29er with 1.9 semi-slicks would be much nicer for that)
I suspect I'm in a minority round here but there you go - I'll not ride my cross frame offroad again
(Edit: I did read the OP honest, but I think most people assume they'll ride cx bikes offroad too)
I got a Giant Defy 1 on cycle to work scheme about a month ago & am absolutely loving it. I've got absolutely no prior experience of road bikes until now, but it handles & climbs well goes as fast as my legs will take it & is comfy too. For a first road bike I can't ask for more.
Given the popularity of the Defy, definitely worth a test ride before going Boardman
Certainly the 105 and Mavic Askiums on the Boardman make it great for the money. Can't really argue with that build for the money. The Boardman CXs are darn good for the money too but seem to be cracking a lot according to that other thread.
Getting it from Halfords, maybe you can join British Cycling for whatever it is (£18/20 something) and get a further 10% off, enabling you spend more on the jacket etc.
Watch enough Lucas Brunelle videos and you'll be riding a road bike off road, slick tyres and all 8)
riddoc - the cycle to work scheme is the cycle2work version - you can buy from the brands I listed above, phone them up, they order the bike (through the distributor I assume) and its delivered to your local halford's for collection with the voucher. However I've heard that it does take more time and effort that just walking into a Halfords with the voucher.
If I go for a cheaper bike and accessories or go for a full 1k bike will be interesting - i'm pretty sure pedals shouldn't be on there either, but it'd be pretty stupid if they weren't as some bikes come without pedals. I will phone them up on Monday and see what's possible, as I have some other questions - for example when the hire period is over do the accessories come under the 25% buy off option?
On other schemes, you could buy pretty much what you wanted - but there seem to be more restrictions on the Halfords / cycle2work scheme.
ooooo -hadn't thought of the British cycling option - apparently (which I am amazed at) this still applies. will double check though when I phone them.
Have a search about on the forum here, there was a discussion about money off the Boardman CX bikes, people were saying you can use the British Cycling membership on top of existing deals.
i could be wrong here, but im sure some independent shops can take the cyclscheme vouchers, so you may not be tied to the listed brands.
also, you may be riding this bike for a decade, thats a long time to 'make do' with something thats not quite right imo, take your time deciding.
I bought a road bike.
It was shit.
..............but I know you have to find these things out for yourself..
...so good luck.
Giant and Boardman are quite different, ride, geometry, comfort. Both superb value.
They aren't that different. Boardman bikes "share" Giant TCR geometry. And TCR geometry is not that dissimilar to the TCR. (Half a degree head angle and a cm on top tube). When set up the same, you would not notice the difference between a Defy and a TCR.
I'd go for either the Defy or, if you must, a CAADX.
I'm a mountain biker that commutes to work. I run a cx bike as it takes mudguards, racks, wider Tyres and disc brakes.
If you are riding on your own or you are stronger than the people you ride with then go ahead and buy a cx bike. They are great and much more fun.
However, they are slower IMO then a road bike as they are heavier and have different geometry. They do make a great winter bike.
The best cx on the r2w scheme must be the planet x XLS.
http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/CBPXXLS105/planet_x_xls_shimano_105_cyclocross_bike
There are a few road disc bikes coming out. Have a look at the canyon website.
When halfords first started the cycle2work scheme I got a specilized tricross, as it was a special order you had to get the sizing right as I don't think they accepted returns.
The second bike through the scheme was a Boardman and there was no problem with getting pedals and shoes. They had stopped doing special orders by that point.
I think more recently HRMC have been more restrictive as people were taking the piss.
I went through the halfords bike to work scheme this week too. The best (IMO) specd bike I could find in the scheme for a grand was the Dolan le etape with sram rival group set.
It should arrive hopefully at the end of the week & I can't wait!
wow thanks scruff9252 - that certainly is the best bike on the scheme I've seen....
Just spoke to cycle2work apparently the 10% off scruff9252hrough British cycling should not be applied to c2w vouchers - im guessing its down to the compitence of the person putting it through the till.
Definitely going for the Dolan - thanks again to scruff for that spot as its not particularly well known - does mean I wont be getting any accessories though.
Giants and Boardmans are probably great bikes, but very dull and every other bugger has one. I use a cx bike as a commuter/road bike (Pinnacle Arkose 3) and it does pretty well. It is heavier than a road bike and not as 'sporty', but is comfortable, adaptable, and most importantly has disc brakes. Better for commuting as you have a bigger choice of tyres and guards/racks..
Tbh - it'll rarely be used for commuting, more for road traing rides. Hense wanting to move away from cx bikes.
Still good for training road rides in all conditions with disc brakes, I use mine for that too. Just feel more sturdier. Also used it on a summer 'roadie' trip to the Alps and coped very well indeed on long and demanding rides, comfortable after 100+ miles.
with a C2W budget, i'd be looking at the specialized secteur disc.
don't completely ignore your mtb senses, disc brakes are bloody brilliant, the sora groupset on the secteur is very under-rated.
(the biggest downside is that the crankset is a whopping 100grams heavier than 105)
there's room for proper tyres and mudguards too.
If it is to be used only on the road then I really wouldn't buy a CX bike!
Tbh - it'll rarely be used for commuting, more for road traing rides.
But the majority of miles in the first year will be for commuting/utility purposes, right?
But the majority of miles in the first year will be for commuting/utility purposes, right?
Not the majority - just some. As per the guidlines. 😉
Giant Defy, lovely bikes for the money
Giant TCR composite 1099
Giant Defy composite 1099 takes mudguards.
Spech Allez Race 1300
Kinesis tk3 1150 very versatile
Genesis equilibrium 1000 - 1300 as above
Cannondale caad8 105 1100? Takes mudguards.
Random bike on offer ie felts on wiggle with full carbon fork 1100
Not the majority - just some. As per the guidlines.
Ahem...
The tax exemption only applies when an employee mainly uses the cycle and cyclists' safety equipment for qualifying journeys. ... In this case, 'mainly' means that [url= https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/11305/cycle-to-work-guidance.pdf ]more than 50% of use[/url] of the cycle and safety equipment must involve a qualifying journey.
😉
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Merlin road bikes that they have started doing! Great value money compared to Specialised/Trek/Giant/Cannondale!
I went through the halfords bike to work scheme this week too. The best (IMO) specd bike I could find in the scheme for a grand was the Dolan le etape with sram rival group set.It should arrive hopefully at the end of the week & I can't wait!
did it arrive whats it like
Not yet, Last week I was given a 2 week build time and it's still "processing" according to the order sheet.
Fingers crossed for this time next week.
The voucher came through today so I've just ordered a SRAM Rival equipped Dolan - also managed to get some ultegra carbon pedals from OnOnes sale for £80 for it and some nice Mavic road shoes.
Looking at Scruff9252 comment above - I should expect it to arrive at some point in Jan / Feb 2014.... I hope its worth the wait.
Scruff9252 - have you paid the £50 admin fees Dolan asks for, how/when did they contact you?
I've not paid anything yet, I have been told that someone will contact me a week ago, by not heard anything further. I'm guessing I will be contacted as the bike is ready to be dispatched...
Just got a call from Dolan, paid my £50 admin and the bike will be delivered to my local Halfords on Friday - just in time for Christmas.
Stretch alittle. These are supposed to be great
I am just about to order the planet x RT57 - full carbon, Shimano 105 groupset and RS10 wheelset. This is the upgrade on my Orbea road bike and a christmas present to myself.
I can recommend getting a crudcatcher roadguard (or whatever the bloody name is) to save you from winter grit/grime etc.
Picked up the Dolan thus evening - looks nice in the dark. Will have my first ride tomorrow. ......
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Only been for a quick blast around the block in between showers but its pretty nice - def the best bike on the halfords scheme.
Scruff9252 - have you got yours yet?
Looks lovely.