[Closed] 100% Dangerous Idiots

Disgusted

If i ever found someone planting those they'd get angle slammed onto a big pile of them. C***s. 👿

Surley there should be some DNA evidence on the...

Nah waste of cash and time for Coppers.

I know that the route is a footpath, but

Well keep off it then you idiot, then you have no problems. 👿

footpath or not that is a joke..... what next???

footpath or not that is a joke..... what next???

I don't know, people keeping to the paths they should be AND NOT ANNOYING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING IT CORRECTLY IN THE FIRST PLACE????????

Find a brain, use it. 😯

Well keep off it then you idiot, then you have no problems.

What about the runner that was mentioned? He wasnt on a bike but he certainly had a problem!

Get off your high horse 😛

Well keep off it then you idiot, then you have no problems

So it's ok if walkers/runners get nails through their foot then?

Not very nice but,
If you keep riding a footpath then what do u expect people taking offence to you being an ignorant C**k ignoring the law, an contiue riding the footpath to do?
I am not condoning this action but you must have really pissed off the red sock brigade. 😉

If bikes didn't use the footpath perhaps the nailed wood would not be there in the first place and the runner using the path legitimatly would be safe from harm? Just a thought...

I'm not defending riding on a footpath, but the real villain is whoever put the nails down. Two wrongs don't make a right, and I percieve the response to be completely disproportionate.

Not even worth the effort of arguing 😀 No one can say that wood with nails through is a legitimate response to people riding bikes. Same as people stringing fishing line between trees at head height, its ****ing horrible!!

To use a typical internet argument based on exageration:

Person A drops litter in public
Person B gets somewhat annoyed, pulls gun out pocket, shoots person A and someone else gets shot by accident in crossfire.

Who has committed the worst crime?

I've seen Stans demo video - tubeless, it's the future.

The person who gets shot in the crossfire whilst attempting to steal a car and gets mysteriously gunned down?? 😕

Are you not allowed to ride on footpaths?

What distinguishes a footpath from a cycle path from just a plain old path?

Who has committed the worst crime?

Person A of course 😉

Walkers got countryside access by mass tresspas actions, MTB'ers should do the same. I have absolutely no quarms about riding on footpaths in reasonable a manner.

Poppa, are you condoning dropping litter? Do you drop litter whilst riding on footpath.

OMG! Dogs don't stick to the stone flags - if my girlie stepped on that it would go straight in her paws.

[i]What distinguishes a footpath from a cycle path from just a plain old path? [/i]

The signpost pointing along it.
I've seen (and ridden on) "footpaths" which are actually tarmac'd access roads in the past - there's no logic as to the classification system and the rules that I go by are largely based on [url= http://www.cheekytrails.co.uk/ethics.htm ]THESE[/url]

I know the area very well. They guy who plants them is a grade A nut case. He has moved on from taking stones from the dry stone walls and building mini walls across the paths, to planting caltrops. He did this about 3 years ago over Spitlers edge also. His area of operations seems to be the paths over Redmond edge, Splitters Edge and Lead Mines.

Didnt know he was at it again though. I'll keep my eyes peeled.

Lots of people posting that obviously don't know the area.

Good chunks of the Rivi / Darwen area are marked as footpaths on the map but actually concessionary bridleways on the ground / marked maps from the rangers(and in one case actually a designated cycle route).

In other cases they have long term industrial / vehicular / horse use but classified as footpath by some bright spark 30 years ago.

I don't personally ride that path very often (and it is a footpath). However even the county council wants bike and horse access on that route (there was a document about it on this link but unfortunately seems to have moved http://www.lancscc.gov.uk/environment/countryside/pdf/Bridlewaywp.pdf)

Thanks crazy legs...some good rules there.

Very thankful of our Access rights north or the border 🙂

I am in slight agreement here. Mass trespass won access rights for walkers. So far as they are being courteous to other users, why so angry about cyclists? Are there too many instances of walkers and cyclists clashing north of the border?

Well keep off it then you idiot, then you have no problems

AND NOT ANNOYING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING IT CORRECTLY IN THE FIRST PLACE

dogs, children and runners are all at risk from this action, and they will still be at risk long after the riders are gone and the undergrowth hides stray pieces of this weaponry.

There was a case a few years ago of an 'annoyed' person laying similar weaponry across legitimate trails in chopwell woods. he/she was 'annoyed' because he/she didn't feel these trails should be allowed as he/she walked her dogs / rode her horses in the woods, and bikers put them at risk .

mick_r - Member
Lots of people posting that obviously don't know [their arse from their elbow].

Well, that makes a f&*#ing change!

Swift - I can't speak for everyone in Scotland...but I've never had any clashes with walkers what-so-ever.

Other than maybe having to slow right down and them not hearing my polite calls to move, but even so most are very apologetic and swiftly locate to the side of the trail.

We're all just enjoying the outdoors with man-power.

The provision of a public footpath doesn't stop other rights from existing. To me, that looks like an old pack horse trail, so it is likely to have ancient horse rights, that will also apply to bikes.

Even if it doesn't, it's not a criminal offence to ride your bike on a public footpath. It is a criminal offence to lay traps for people.

Is there a gradual shift amongst "proper" MTBers (I don't want to get into an argument over that term, you know what I mean) about riding on FP though?

Guide books and route guides in magazines always urge us to keep it legal etc while (especially on this) there's often pics, comments etc about riding on FPs - you only have to look at simonfbarnes' pics for starters! Is there a sort of devil-may-care attitude of "I'll ride where I want" or is it a bit more circumspect ("I'll ride that FP when it's midweek and dry so as not to cut it up/annoy people").

I'm guessing there's very very few people on here who can honestly say that they never ever ride FPs...

Don't ride on that footpath?

Swift - Member

....Are there too many instances of walkers and cyclists clashing north of the border?

Very rare - I have had one on the nail trail.

There is a long standing tradition of using cycles to get to the more remote munros which helps and also less people use the paths. Both would tend to reduce conflict.

also I suspect Scottish riders are more courteous as well - it appears to me that a lot of the conflict in England goes both ways. Bikers are fed up with walkers so don't behave as courteously as they might.

I say please, thank you, lovely day, etc etc to almost every walker I pass. It helps I am sure.

conflict begets conflict, courtesy begets courtesy

it's not really fair to make a comparison with Scottish trails, the volume of traffic is so much lower that the likelihood of conflict is far lower

For someone to put them nails down mean there must be quite strong feeling against cyclists.

This guy has been doing it for years. I suspect he is probably some old retired lunatic as the amount of walls he knocks up over the trails must take ages to build.

Dont really bother me as I hate Spittlers / Redmonds edge anyway 😛

So if this fella is known are his shoes currently damp and smelling of urine?

it's not really fair to make a comparison with Scottish trails, the volume of traffic is so much lower that the likelihood of conflict is far lower

Don't be daft, there are plenty of places around here where path traffic is just as high as the footpaths I rode when I lived in England. Only been here a few years now but never had a conflict, usually get a good smile or encouragement, even from the red-sock brigade.

A child could step on that, impale themselves, it'll go septic and have to be amputated, then little Jimmy will only have one leg.

All because you rode your bike on a Footpath.

Dear Lord, won't anybody think of the children?!

miketually - Member

The provision of a public footpath doesn't stop other rights from existing. To me, that looks like an old pack horse trail, so it is likely to have ancient horse rights, that will also apply to bikes.

Even if it doesn't, it's not a criminal offence to ride your bike on a public footpath. It is a criminal offence to lay traps for people.

Bingo.

Aye - even in the pentlands conflict is rare and the paths there are heavily used.

I do believe its the two things - the tradition of cycle use to get to the mountains and a culture of politeness amongst the bikers

but the issues in England always crop up in extremely heavy traffic areas like the Rivy/Peaks/Lakes and whilst I'll admit there will be some areas in Scotland with these visitor numbers the PPM (persons per mile 🙂 ) of trail will be far lower.

the Peak District alone gets over 45 million day visits a year whereas Scotland gets around a quarter of that number of visits

[i]Is there a gradual shift amongst "proper" MTBers...about riding on FP though?[/i]
Nothing gradual, I've always done it.

I suspect Scottish riders are more courteous as well

I'm guessing there's very very few people on here who can honestly say that they never ever ride FPs...

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I assume I'll get flamed for having a "holier than thou" attitude, but I don't care. I never, ever, ride on footpaths and would never consider doing so. I remember getting abuse and threats riding in the Peaks 20 years ago on legitimate bridleways. Lots of walkers did not like the cyclists and I was determined never to antagonise them, as it would only make the situation worse.
There isn't, IMHO, ever a reason to ride on a footpath unless, maybe, you are lost and really don't know where you are or possibly a medical emergency (although the footpaths tend to be slower so this probably wouldn't happen anyway).
If in a few years time we have lots of sanctions and law changes which severly limit where we can ride in the UK, I hope you FP riders will be happy that you've done your part.
Riding along an illegal footpath (i.e. one that isn't a permissive bridleway as may the case in some places) is selfish, arrogant, disrespectful and self-defeating.
If you think a FP should be BW then lobby whoever you need to and go down the proper channels. The countryside isn't there just to serve you and your bike, it's for everyone.

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If in a few years time we have lots of sanctions and law changes which severly limit where we can ride in the UK, I hope you FP riders will be happy that you've done your part.

Remind me how the footpaths came into being in the first place?

Riding along an illegal footpath (i.e. one that isn't a permissive bridleway as may the case in some places) is selfish, arrogant, disrespectful and self-defeating.

There's no such thing as an "illegal footpath". A footpath protects walkers' rights to access that route; it does not make it illegal to ride a bike there.