[Closed] 1 x 10 anyone done it yet? - What is compatable with 9 speed, if anything?

You'll need all of the rear parts, shifters, cassette, chain, rear mech. no 9 speed parts are cross compatible here. 9 speed cranks are fine but you'll ideally want a chainring with longer teeth, I use E13 ones.

Why can't you use a 9 speed rear mech?

I'm pretty sure that the pull ratios are different? that might just be the shifters though.

but you'll ideally want a chainring with longer teeth

do you know if a Middleburn has longer teeth?

I already have a new 34t slick shift one on the twin and bash set-up I'm running

Well, the cassette is the same width, so I can't see a reason the rear mech wouldn't work. The indexing is in the shifter, and I'm pretty sure the pull ratio on 10speed shimano is the same as 9 speed shimano (2:1). Obviously Sram to Shimano won't work, with Sram being 1:1...

You might be right magnet.

Re meiddleburns, use it for now and see how it goes on, wouldn't rush to change it but single ring designed rings tend to be a lot stiffer than normal as well as having longer teeth to stop the chain jumping off (as much)

I was wondering if a 9 speed ring would be too wide for a 10 speed chain.

I'm assuming the 10 speed chain is thinner in order to get 10 sprockets on the cassette, but how much thinner i don't know.

Well, a shimano 105 mech is 8/9/10 speed compatible so at a guess I say mtb mechs are. The chain and rings are slightly narrower on 10 speed than 9.

I was wondering if a 9 speed ring would be too wide for a 10 speed chain.

I've been using 10 sp chains on 9sp chainsets for a couple of years now, they fit fine and are lighter than the equivalent 9sp chain.

Well, a shimano 105 mech is 8/9/10 speed compatible so at a guess I say mtb mechs are.

ANY mech is 8/9/10 compatible WHEN USED WITH THE CORRECT SHIFTER

its all about cable pull

Right so I need a RH shifter, cassette and chain only.

Cheers Guys, may be a goer then.

no i was just shooting down what he said

if you want xx - you need an xx shifter and mech

BUT

there is people out there modding X0 gripshifts to use with any rear mech to drive across a 0 speed cassette

[url= http://bikemarkt.mtb-news.de/bikemarkt/showcat.php?cat=500&ppuser=19128 ]here[/url]

that guys sells x0 gripshift modded to work with xx

like i said its all about the cable pull

pretty sure that shimano has said that 10sp mtb mechs have different pull to 9sp and the [b]implication[/b] is that they won't be compatible

there are some prev threads on this but not sure whether anyone's actuaqlly tried it yet

I dont want SRAM, I want to use Shimano DR.

shimano?

you need the whole lot

10 speed shimano is different pull to 9 speed shimano

mech, shifter, cassette, chain

I know it's Dura ace, but Sheldon, he say yes.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/dura-ace.html

Oh, and didn't Steve Worland run his bike with 10speed shifters, cassette and chain off Dura ace and an XTR rear mech and chainset.

I want 1 x 10sp but with the saint rear mech, it's not ging to happen is it.

There is talk that 10 speed mtb is different so that it's not all directly compatible in order to get constant shifting across all the gears apparently. I'm not convinced as Shimano always say this but until someone tries it we won't know for sure.

Steve Worland was using road flat bar shifters so that's not proof either way.

So was I right or not, I'm not sure anymore!

BTW the inner dimention of a 10 speed chainis the same as 9, it's just the plates that are thinner to get the thinner chain. 10 speed chains run great on 9 speed, infact better by my reckoning.

this recently came on the southerndownhill forum and one of the reps from Madison (Shimano UK) stated that the Shimano 10 speed road and new Shimano 10 speed Dynasys mtb are not compatible because the 10 speed Dynasys mtb uses a different 'pitch' chain to anything else 10 speed on the market

which also means 9 speed parts like chain devices with jockey wheels will not mesh with 10 speed Dynasys mtb

[i]its all about cable pull[/i]

No shit sherlock. I was pointing out that 10 speed road mechs were compatible with 9/8 speed shifter.

Vortexracing have you seen [url= http://www.paulcomp.com/mtthumbie.html ]these?[/url]

Well if thats genuinely the case ( and to be honest I'd find it hard to believe that Shimano are making two different chains for road and mtb) then 10speed will be well of my plans for a while. I was considering the 1x10 route as well. Cassette, chain and shifter meant it wasn't going to be too much of hit in the wallet.

Also another thought has just occured, does that mean I'll have to use Shimano chains rather than my preferred SRAM chains? Not to mention the chainrings.

This is a right bloody Minefield.

Looks like the only way is to get a 10 speed cassette, Shifter and chain, then try it, if it doesn't work then splash out on a rear mech.

Not happy about the chance that the 10 speed MTB chain may be different to the 10 speed raod chain.

That's just Shimano ripping us off. 🙄

[i]That's just Shimano ripping us off[/i]

Surely not 😉

Shimano are saying that the Dyna-Sys 10-speed components are not compatible with their 9-speed MTB or 10-speed road components. From [url= http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/new-10-speed-dyna-sys-shimano-xt-and-slx-for-2010-25297 ]here[/url].

A web search for "Shimano Dyna-Sys compatibility" will yield numerous articles/comments.

I've spent the last 40mins or so looking at this on various places on t'net. I think I've got it sorted. You will need the mech, shifter, cassette and chain.
But I think it's a lot more interchangable than most people think. As I see it, Shifter for the 10speed selection, chain has to be narrower, and the mech is needed because the cassette has a different profile to 9 speed, so the mechs swing won't actually clear the cassette, esp with the 36t cassette. I'd still like to just try buying just the shifter, chain and cassette and see if its not something that can be fiddled with to make to work.
Cable pull is still the same, Shimano 2:1 and SRAM 1:1. Unless the gaps between each gear is slightly different across the cassette. Which would make setting up a pain in the arse.
The shimano 10speed mtb chain has different sized plates on one side to the other making it directional. Apparently this means nicer, smoother shifting, but you could use SRAM or KMC 10 speed chains as well, it just wouldn't be as good shifting. Wether you or I could tell the difference is another matter.

Can you get away with using the old 9 speed xt chainset then?

Cranks and chain rings? As I understand it yes, I can see no reason why not at all.
Just don't blame me if I'm wrong, but I'd run it.

Yes cranks and chainrings, do you know if they do 10 speed rings that fit on the 9 speed cranks?

Theres no difference, the internal dimensions of the chain are the same, its the outer plates of the chain that are thinner. So 9speed chainrings should work fine. 10 speed XT/SLX cranks/chainrings are still the 4bolt 104BCD as far as I can tell. Interestingly I note that CRC doesn't list any shimano mtb 10speed replacement chainrings yet.

Cable pull is still the same

SRAM 9 speed is 1:1 actuation
SRAM 10 speed is Exact Actuation.
SRAM 1:1 actuation is more like 1:1.3
SRAMS Exact Actuation is true 1:1

Some stuff here

http://bikehugger.com/2010/08/roadmtb-10sp-shimano-incompati.html

Would seem there are cable pull issues.

Running 1 by 10 on my Ibis... 34 tooth G ring up fornt. But bought rest of the XT gubbins new...

Gives a good range of gears. Opted for a 34 onnthe rear as there are no huge hills where I live.

did you use a chain device Bigman? and is it a Mojo?

IIRC dyna-sys pulls thge same cable per gear as 9 speed, i.e. a 10 speed shifter will work with 9speed everythign else, just with a redundant click (bit like running mtb double with a tripple shifter).

So roadies looking for a big touring cassette will need to use road ie 10s shifters, the new wide range cassette, and a 9 speed shimano mech, thats assuming that the mech will clear enough of the cassette?

No its on a Tranny and I am currently using a E13XCX device...

So far so good..

I did want to use a Pauls seat tube mounted device but would not fir the Tranny, which was an arse..

Just sorted a Friends 'cross bike for the 3peaks after looking at the link Brant put up, 9 spd SLX mech, XT 11-36 cassette, and 10 speed Ultegra shifters. works perfect!

Not gone near this yet. Mind you I've still got 8 speed on one bike (I don't want to throw away old (1998) XTR smoothness for Deore and 1 more cog).

Colleague complaining of really poor chain wear on 1x10 though (4 XC races and then knackered!).

also looking to go 1x10

but the shimano 10 speed rear mechs i've seen all have really long cage, i like the idea of a saint mech just because it comes in a short cage (but 34t max)

anyone know if sram mechs are shorter (or is the big S make a short version?)

soooo, what size rings would you run up front if you stayed with current chainrings ? 42 and something else ?

I did 1x1 rings today - eeeek!

I am running XT 1x10 on my bike.

It doesn't work with 9 speed mechs- the cable pull ratio is different. When set up with a 9spd mech the chain jumps 1 cog sometimes, 2 others, so it's not quite 1:1 and not quite 2:1.

(As I have an XTR 9spd rear mech though and am not willing to pay for a new one, I've bodged it. This is possible depending on where you mount the cable)

I use 9speed rings and that's fine.

I also use a road chain because I had some knocking about and that's fine.

anyone know if sram mechs are shorter (or is the big S make a short version?)

SRAM website suggests that there are S/M/L options; there were rumours of an XS length X0.

Anyone know if SRAM Exact Actuation is the same for road & MTB gear?

Andy

yes it is

Great the answer I was looking for. 😀

I can use 9 speed chainrings

I need a new 10 speed cassette, 10 speed Rear mech and a 10 speed chain (road chain will do) oh and a 10 speed shifter.

and an increase in fitness to be able to turn the cranks 😆

Vortex- here's a little run down of my first experience with it-

http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/shimano-10-speed-first-ride

It's good. Very good.

cheers for that

anyone know the list sprocket sizes on the 11-36 xt cassette?

anyone know the list sprocket sizes on the 11-36 xt cassette?

11-13-15-17-19-21-24-28-32-36

ta

I'm going to stick 1 x 10spd on my new hardtail.

I'm unfit so i'll run a 32 front ring then an 11-36 cassette at the back. thinking of xt cassette and mech, xtr shifters and cranks.