I've seen this said on here a fair few times. I've asked why this is, but never had an answer.
Can someone please explain why my old 3G isn't meant to be much cop as a phone?
I select a number, call, wait a until I get an answer, have my conversation.
Sersiously, what's the problem... I just don't get it.... 
It's only said by people who don't actually own one, along with 99.99% of all anti-apple diatribe.
if you get a missed call from a unknown number (but a friend) can you add it to contacts?
if you get a text saying 'call me' can you directly call the person?
i have one and i'd say it is missing some basic phone type functions.
i use my phone for texting and calling. So from that perspective
Poor keyboard (although better than other touchscreen devices)
Poor battery life
Reception issues
all make it worse, as a phone, than the £15 nokia I've got as a spare
footflaps - MemberIt's only said by people who don't actually own one
FAIL 
My 3GS isn't great as a phone for the main reason that it consistently has poorer reception than other phones on the same network. It also doesn't have very good call clarity.
Oh and the ringer's not loud enough and the 'silent/vibrate' switch keeps getting moved by mistake when in my pocket. And to make it worse you can't independently change ringer volume and the main volume meaning that if I'm playing a game and don't want it loud and then put the phone down, the ringer's quiet too.
Great as a mobile computer though which is why I really have it.
No simple way to change "profile" - outdoor, meeting, etc. (I think ... happy to be proved wrong!)
Predictive text in foreign languages a bit crap
if you get a missed call from a unknown number (but a friend) can you add it to contacts?
if you get a text saying 'call me' can you directly call the person?
Er. Yes and yes.
if you get a missed call from a unknown number (but a friend) can you add it to contacts?
if you get a text saying 'call me' can you directly call the person?
i have one and i'd say it is missing some basic phone type functions
Poor keyboard (although better than other touchscreen devices)
Poor battery life
Reception issues
Next.........
if you get a missed call from a unknown number (but a friend) can you add it to contacts?
Yup - press the blue arrow next to the number and select "Create New Contact" or "Add to Existing Contact"
if you get a text saying 'call me' can you directly call the person?
Yup - there is a button marked "Call" at the top of the SMS conversation.
{Edit: dammit Peter types faster that I can use the iPhone keyboard}
And to make it worse you can't independently change ringer volume and the main volume meaning that if I'm playing a game and don't want it loud and then put the phone down, the ringer's quiet too.
Thats the biggest ball-ache for me too. I've missed loads of calls because I've turned the volume down to play a game and forgot to turn it back up.
Surely it can't be that hard to have an app volume and a ringer volume separately.
No simple way to change "profile" - outdoor, meeting, etc. (I think ... happy to be proved wrong!)
What else do you need other than "ring", "silent" or just adjust the volume down?
Jesus.
I'm reminded of this:
How do you know if somebody has an iPhone?
They tell you.
And to make it worse you can't independently change ringer volume and the main volume meaning that if I'm playing a game and don't want it loud and then put the phone down, the ringer's quiet too.
Mine doesn't do that. Game, iPod and ringer volumes are all seperate. Changing one doesn't affect any of the others.....
Yours must be special then - it definitely does on mine...
EDIT - iPod/video volume is indeed independent. Game/app volume isn't. I use games/app most of the time and rarely the others.
What else do you need other than "ring", "silent" or just adjust the volume down?
Well, for example, when I'm at my desk I want it quiet, not silent, and when I'm in a meeting I want it to beep once when I get a call. My Nokia can do that, my iPhone can't. Not a big deal, but I prefer the cheapo Nokia in this case.
Game/app volume isn't
It is on my 3G. I just tried it. If I adjust game volume I get a speaker icon, but if I exit the game and adjust the volume, the icon says "ringer" above it. They're seperate.
Well, for example, when I'm at my desk I want it quiet, not silent, and when I'm in a meeting I want it to beep once when I get a call. My Nokia can do that, my iPhone can't. Not a big deal, but I prefer the cheapo Nokia in this case.
I see what you mean, but I nver used the profiles on my Nokias. I just had it LOUD or silent, and it's a lot easier to flick the switch on the side of a 3G than faff around looking for a profile.
6 of one and half a dozen of the other really, depending on what you need.
It's a good original question PeterPoddy - I have one and have asked the same question numerous times (once on here) and never get a sensible answer... in fact, I'm struggling to remember ever getting an answer.
visual voicemail is great, it does everything i did with my old nokias and sonys, just in a more user friendly and obvious way.
They're seperate.
No they're not - it depends on the app.
Some apps, but not many IME, let you set the volume for the app.
agree with the volume thing too - much easier to press the side button a few times to the desired level than to go into menus looking for profiles... I've never used profiles on other phones - they just seem a faff!
It's a good original question PeterPoddy - I have one and have asked the same question numerous times (once on here) and never get a sensible answer... in fact, I'm struggling to remember ever getting an answer.
Thankyou. I thought I was going mad, it's not just me then?
So far we haven't got anything other than the odd personal niggle on this thread either....
A few clicks of the volume button takes the same length of time as changing a profile on a nokia.
iphone is as good as any others for the phone functions. But more importantly can your nokia become a lightsaber or a machine gun????
Seperate on mine here too.
I think some folk get caught out because they turn down the volume before the app/game starts or has fully loaded, so they end up turn the ringer volume right down, they keep the button pressed and turn the game/app volume down too once it loads.
If you are changing the app volume it us just a speaker icon. The ringer volume says "ringer" above the speaker.
Try turning your ringer volume right the way up then go into your favourite game and see what the volume is doing.
It is definitely seperate.
Thankyou Graham.
(But that means I'm not special though... sniff....)
EDIT
All the 3 apps I've just tried had the same volume: Whan I changed it in one app, it changed to the same in another. But none of them affected the ringer volume.
Never had any reception problems and one of the best phones I've used better than previous my previous HTC / Nokia / Sony Ericsson phones.
The best phone feature is the excellent contacts sync with Outlook - only phone I've found that synced properly.
Not personal experience, but I've heard lots of people (including tech reporters) say that call quality is poor on the iPhone.
Although I find mobile call quality in general to be fairly poor so it'd have to be bad to stand out to me.
Right, had a play with mine too - you're right that the ringer volume is separate BUT I still regularly find that it's turned down because I turn the volume down when starting an app - admittedly user error as it turns out but quite a reasonable/easy one to make and one that keeps happening (though maybe not now...)
The points about reception and call quality still stand though.
And the ringer's still not loud enough even on full when out riding.
Battery life isn't great, but that doesn't make it a poor phone as such.
That's a big issue for me. When I most need a mobile phone I'm not sat next to a power socket
**** me the iphone threads are getting shittingly dull
Weren't they always?
indeed
Right, had a play with mine too - you're right that the ringer volume is separate BUT I still regularly find that it's turned down because I turn the volume down when starting an app - admittedly user error as it turns out but quite a reasonable/easy one to make and one that keeps happening (though maybe not now...)
IT Manager heal thy self.
I have people to do the proper technical stuff 
Just as well..
Since they fixed the proximity detector, which was by far the worst thing about it, my only criticism is you have to press all over the screen to use it in the phone mode, where as my old blackberry had everything i needed on or next to roller ball, it just seemed a bit more user friendly.
But as a mobile computer, it's mint and the only reason it didn't get returned to vodafone last month.
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