People aren’t convinced by facts. As proved repeatedly in the climate change debates. The small subset who may be, are quite capable of finding them by themselves.

True dat…

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZBDkGconF8[/video]

Googled “Clinton body count” woah! Wish I hadnt, its all bolx right? Exaggerated/ made up?

Why not correct those people with the facts then? Rather than giving some vague rebuttal.

This.

1hr flim on Clinton’s foundation – admitedly from a very right leaning source. There certainky seems to be a very high correlation between donating to the foundation, winning a contract and hiring Bill to give a speech ($100m speech revenue aparantly at $250k – $750k each)

[video]https://youtu.be/td2pyyCau30[/video]

– admitedly from a very right leaning source.

😀

So the FBI have reopened their investigation into Hillary after they apparently found more emails as part of a separate investigation .

https://www.rt.com/usa/364586-comey-reopens-clinton-investigation/

Yes – and they Director of the FBI is under fire from all sides apart from the loony right for making a public statement on this so close to the election and with so little content.

The clintons have been subject to huge numbers of politically motivated investigations and a cost of millions of dollars with no evidence of any criminality found.

You really think if they had done anything criminal it would not have been found by now?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-officials-warned-fbi-that-comeys-decision-to-update-congress-was-not-consistent-with-department-policy/2016/10/29/cb179254-9de7-11e6-b3c9-f662adaa0048_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_clintonfbi1030-1142am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

Rumour has it that the Trumpette is calling for the most up to date, modern technologies to identify whether Hillary really is a witch or not.

Happy Halloween.

The FBI director will be toast after the election!! Talk about “career limiting” moves!!

It will also be interesting to see what happens to that Julian Assange.

The FBI director will be toast after the election!!

The FBI Director is 3 years in to a 10 year post (supposedly so long so as to distance the Director from the possibility of any political subversion). Unless he acts illegally, I doubt he’s going anywhere.

He said in his testimony in July that he would keep the oversight committee informed, and he’s done just that.

Also: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/628231488794923008
3rd August 2015

Unless he acts illegally, I doubt he’s going anywhere.

Until he has to ask for money from Congressional committees

Why do so many people in the US believe Hillary is untrustworthy?

She’s had Vince Foster murdered, then all the witnesses disappeared. She’s so cunning that she also had all the evidence destroyed. The lack of evidence itself should raise suspicion.

She is also a nightmare to work for. When she’s under stress, she yells at the staff. Horrible. Don’t know how anyone could think such a nasty person could be fit for leader of the free world.

Lol, spot the bloke who had never heard of vince foster until he watched Micheal Moore last night 😆

Holst – evidence please?

remember multiple investigations over many years have found NO evidence of wrongdoing

She’s had Vince Foster murdered, then all the witnesses disappeared. She’s so cunning that she also had all the evidence destroyed. The lack of evidence itself should raise suspicion.

There’s no evidence linking me to any murder whatsoever. Should I hand myself in to the police and confess?

She is also a nightmare to work for.

There you go your honor, got her well banged to rights there. Throw away the key I say Guv’nor.
For the love of god! Have these people got the right to vote?

Because she is

‘Loony Right’ – What like Jill Stein and Susan Sarandon for example ?

The only reason you use a private email server for Government business is to hide someting and to cover your tracks.

Hillary was extra-ordinarily evasive in her FBI testimony (hit my head and can’t recall any training about what constitutes secret/classified info, 39 other instances of I don’t remember etc). Now the FBI have found (10’s, 100’s or 1000’s ?) of emails on a third parties phone/computer which Hillary had deleted on her server using “bleaching” techniques. So they need to check those. So they re-open their investigation.

She is Crooked Hilary. Absolutely no doubt at all about that.

Really? another unproven allegation and despite the fact that she has been investigated many times and no criminality found you think you know better than the FBI?

She destroyed it all!

you think you know better than the FBI?

You have been away for a while hasn’t you…

remember multiple investigations over many years have found NO evidence of wrongdoing

That’s it true is it TJ?

The FBI July statement said:

Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past…

…To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.

She’s about as innocent as Ched Evans

So who would you trust more – Clinton or the FBI?

The only reason you use a private email server for Government business is to hide someting and to cover your tracks.

so you will be after colin Powell and condoleezza rice for this then ?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/04/colin-powell-condoleezza-rice-private-email-accounts-classified-hillary-clinton

I have no idea why someone would do this but the only reason serves only to highlight, and this really is surprising, your lack of imagination.

So who would you trust more – Clinton or the FBI?

FBI managed to not come up with a case for prosecution after a lot of effort. They now have some more emails to trawl, lets see if they manage it.
Clinton claims there is no problem and no likely prosecution.

Looks like they agree so who is not trust worthy 😉

DrJ – Member

The FBI director will be toast after the election!! Talk about “career limiting” moves!! Probably done his future career prospects some good – he was likely toast anyway so is making a proactive move.

This might cost her a couple of points but think she’ll still win. Voters didn’t much care about Hillary’s email the first time around, so more vague BS just isn’t an issue for undecideds.
I agree that she is a dissembler par excellence, even by politicians standards she is a giant fibber. But she also has a skin like an armoured rhino – she’s weathered 30 years of republican attack and is still standing, and this latest development will not phase her at all.

errrr….. she said in the late 90s that all young black american males were criminals and should be locked up

I mean, I know that people are capable of spiritual change and growth but that sort of backwards redneckery seems to me to be a pretty fundamental viewpoint

The USA is damned it would seem

I would hazard a guess that all the people at the top of food chain – Trump, Clinton and nameless others, are trying really hard to cook up a civil war

EVERY previous secretary of state has had a similar private e-mail server. The problem isn’t that she used a private e-mail server, it’s that the information transmitted on that server is sensitive or classified.

Ultimately, I do believe that Clinton wants to make America a better (in whatever way) place. Conversely, I believe Trump wants to be president for petty, personal reasons. Sir Richard Branson’s comments regarding his meetings with Trump were quite revealing in this regard.

The only reason you use a private email server for Government business is to hide something and to cover your tracks

And more crucially, using specialist software to then scrub the disks containing the missing emails shows criminal intent. 😮

And suggesting she wasn’t aware that different levels of confidentiality even existed during her time as Secretary of State (e.g. Confidential, Secret, Top Secret)…and when the questions got too tough she blamed her lack of recall on key events with hitting her head. 😮

So is patently dodgy and still so many are in denial. 😮 😆

^^^ is the correct question @oldman

31,000 electronically bleached emails. Classified government business conducted on personal email server !!!!

She can delete stuff at her end but somewhere the other end (send/receive) will be out there. The FBI cannot just go out and find them but they will turn up over time.

Hillary has used the classic “I don’t remember” defence to dodge difficult FBI questions and to avoid a charge of perjury as imo the truth is she conducted highly confidential Government business on an insecure personal server so to have said “yes I knew that was secret info” she would be ****.

The only reason to use a personal email server for Government business is to hide stuff. If others (Rice etc) have done the same it was for the sane reason.

Trump said yesterday Clinton had spent 1 hour with Attorney General in a private conversation on a private plane and all she said they discussed was grand kids and golf – who woukd believe that, only an idiot

The problem isn’t that she used a private e-mail server, it’s that the information transmitted on that server is sensitive or classified

its worse that that teh US has no offocia secrets act so its hard to say what law she broke
Someof it may have been declassified at the time and now classified and vice versa so its hard to decide if ti was or was not classified at the time

Either way its a mess best solved by simply making them all use a server of the govts choice. She is not alone in having used a private server to send “confidential” material. The fact only she is getting this shit storm suggests its, at least, partly political from Republicans.
Clarification and rules would help no end here- is it part of the US psyche to love freedom that stops them doing this ? – Genuine Q

As I said I would vote for her as marginally lesser of two evils but its a nightmare situation

Trump said yesterday Clinton had spent 1 hour with Attorney General in a private conversation on a private plane and all she said they discussed was grand kids and golf – who woukd believe that, only an idiot

Is the answer you and Trump then? 😉

And more crucially, using specialist software to then scrub the disks containing the missing emails shows criminal intent.

Anything that holds any kind of sensitive info would be scrubbed like that.

So is patently dodgy and still so many are in denial.

To be honest about it, I see it as mostly a procedural cock up. It’s not blatant and wanton spreading of government secrets and AFAIK there was no leaks and the integrity of the server is not being called into question.

The real point is why does it matter so much?

Our hard drives at work are taken out of computers and put through a machine that smashes them into tiny little pieces when they are to be disposed of, never realised that means I work for a criminal organisation.

It’s not blatant and wanton spreading of government secrets and AFAIK there was no leaks and the integrity of the server is not being called into question.

With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked. But, given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account.

We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account.

Which means the other end was hacked, not going to be fixed by changing what she did.

Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account.

Possible, not probably, not certain, not most likely but possible.
As noted it’s been done by a lot of others in the past, why are those prominent republicans not calling for their heads?

In the end it’s done, as for it’s impact probably negligible – I left this in the Trump thread (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-voters-arent-just-voting-against-trump/?ex_cid=2016-forecast) but it’s basically doing the numbers on the who is voting for their candidate or against the other one. Clinton has a normal level of people voting for her as opposed to against Trump. So perhaps the very vocal caring about the emails is concentrated in a certain part of the US political spectrum and most of the voters don’t really care.

never realised that means I work for a criminal organisation.

As long as they don’t do that after being asked for the content of those hard drives by a government agency undertaking a criminal investigation of your boss, you’re probably OK.

So – according to your selective quotes Ninfan – no evidence of it being hacked and no evidence of any criminality worth prosecuting. Very damning