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When did the National Front or BNP start infesting this forum ?

84 posts & 38 voices | Started 3 years ago by hels | Latest reply from andrew

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konabunny - Member

To answer the OP: this forum has always had its share of knuckledragging little Englanders, nothing's changed.

"To use the word 'racism' is totally wrong in that area because Christians, Jews and Muslims are all the same race, just different tribes."

This is complete nonsense, and if you thought about it for half a second you'd see why. You can be from any racial group and choose to follow any of those religions. Aretha Franklin (famous Christian) and Yusuf Islam (ex Cat Stevens, famous Muslim) are not the same race!

If your statement is that race is a pernicious, slippery and unscientific thing, I agree, but if it means anything, it doesn't mean what you say it means.

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BigJohn - Member

I rode the NF trail at Grizedale, but I found it leant too far to the left for my liking.

Posted 3 years ago #
hora - Member

Anyone got that pic of the german soldier falling over on ice infront of his 'mates' break-dance stylee?

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grizzlygus - Member

konabunny..... your posts nearly always entertain me, please don't ever lose your stroppy blunt edge

hora - it took me a while to trawl through my nazi memorabilia collection, but I eventually managed to located it :

Posted 3 years ago #
kennyp - Member

Personally I quite enjoy reading letters/postings/newspaper columns/whatever that I disagree with. Makes me think about things more. And like it or not, the BNP are a legitimate political party, so if someone wants to come on and put forward an intelligent, well thought out argument as to why we should vote for them then they're quite entitled to, same as for any other party.

It's the old "I disagree with what you say, but defend your right to say it" debate all over again.

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grizzlygus - Member

like it or not, the BNP are a legitimate political party, so if someone wants to come on and put forward an intelligent, well thought out argument

LOL !

" intelligent, well thought out argument"

LOL !!!!

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grizzlygus - Member

BTW kennyp, did you read this ?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/apr/20/bnp-handbook-european-elections

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kennyp - Member

I was careful not to suggest it was likely that they'd put forward an intelligent, well thought out, argument!!

I did read that article, but wasn't sure if it made me laugh or made me worry. From their point of view it's actually quite an astute move.

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grizzlygus - Member

Made me laugh !

And yes of course, people like Griffin know very well that it's all about 'image'. Can't say I envy him - trying to present a bunch of knuckle-dragging thugs as a respectable party to the electorate ......the bloke's got his work cut out

Posted 3 years ago #
Zulu-Eleven - Member

Well, Tony did a fairly good job with the Labour party so I'm sure its possible Gus...

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grizzlygus - Member

Ah ratty ........... I see you've come along with one of your, 'well thought out comments'.

Yes of course, Labour Party members are very similar to the 'knuckle-dragging thugs' of the BNP.

But do I detect a touch of bitterness in your post ?

What's up mate ? ............... A bit sensitive about criticisms of the BNP are we ?

Posted 3 years ago #
Oxboy - Member

Politics and Religion, thats a heady mix for a good argument!

The BNP are just the same as ANY minority, they wont rest until they are the unopposed majority.

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antigee - Member

a forceful dedicated minority is quite capable of convincing, cajoling and coercing a weak majority that the true path is the only way
that's not an argument in support just my opinion - could add that media support may not be essential but is probably given? - indirect acceptance if not indirect support probably helps

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andrew - Member

If your statement is that race is a pernicious, slippery and unscientific thing, I agree, but if it means anything, it doesn't mean what you say it means.

I'd mostly agree with that except that 'race' is an entirely scientific construct - with roots in physiognomy inspired works such as John Beddoe’s (1862) The Races of Man (with a measure of 'nigressence') or J. C. Nott and G. R. Gliddon's (1868) Indigenous Races of the Earth 'science' created and categorised racial difference. The construction of racial categories preceded this and most contemporary commentators tend to agree that the 'othering' (see Edward Said, Orientalism) of Sub-Saharan peoples coincided with and was used to legitimise Europe's widescale early modern adoption of slavery. Nonetheless it was during the 19th century that scientific 'proof' consolidated 'race' as a viable category. It still persists, particularly in psychology: articles published in the last couple of years by Linda Gottfredson, J. Philippe Rushton and Arthur Jenson use racial genetic difference as an explanation of intelligence differences between populations. They are, of course, marginal figures and their findings rejected but it is wrong to suggest that 'race' is 'unscientific'. Science helped to create 'race' and scientists persist in attempting to maintain it.

But yeah, STW is hardly a hotbed of racist activists. Even Capt.Fleshheart who leans at 45deg to the right has more good sense, taste and decency than to go down *that* stony path. I also baulk at the idea of censorship of any beliefs or views no matter how unpleasant, wretched or out of step with convention they are: too much great art and literature would be lost if we went around banning material that individuals found offensive. Shit, most music/film/literature that I own would be on the pyres.

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