A few months ago someone one here was banging on about politicians being involved in paedophile rings, and was pretty roundly regarded as a nutjob.
It's on the BBC News at 10 right now.
As the father of an 8 year-old, I find it terrifying.
I suspect that if the whole truth came out it would rock the country to its core.
Read about this today after reading the interview from the guy making the allegations a few weeks ago. Unreal.
#Edit: I'll be amazed if the whole truth will be *allowed* to come out for this reason. The establishment don't like change.
Be more amazed if the evidence for the whole truth hasn't already been destroyed.
Police are investigating possible murder of young boys as well.
there are some pretty harrowing tales, childrens homes pimping out the kids the 'the great' and 'the good'.
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/david-icke-at-wembley-last-saturday
No one denied that abusers exist in all walks of life they objected to this quote
To be fair to David Icke, since the 90s he has been saying child abuse is central to the control structures of the political and religious elite.
Can we expect a few high profile suicides/ tragic boating accidents?
*Tin foil hat on•
I hate conspiracy theories and all that but someone said to me a good while ago that the reason jill dando was bumped off was because she'd got the dirt to dish on saville and a whole lot of others.
Makes you wonder briefly.
•tin foil hat off•
A few months ago someone one here was banging on about politicians being involved in paedophile rings, and was pretty roundly regarded as a nutjob.
As Junkyard said above. He wasn't regarded as a nutjob because he said pedophile rings exist.
Or because he said some politicians may have been/are involved.
Pretty much everyone agreed with that.
He was regarded as a nutjob because of all the other nutjob crap he attaches to it.
(And because he thinks David Icke and Alex Jones etc are good sources of information)
Can we expect a few high profile suicides/ tragic boating accidents?
Well, there is this:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/541793/SNP-activist-killed-over-child-sex-files
so basically what David Icke has been saying on this topic for over two decades is true
A few months ago someone one here was banging on about politicians being involved in paedophile rings, and was pretty roundly regarded as a nutjob.
As Junkyard said above. He wasn't regarded as a nutjob because he said pedophile rings exist.Or because he said some politicians may have been/are involved.
Pretty much everyone agreed with that.
He was regarded as a nutjob because of all the other nutjob crap he attaches to it.
(And because he thinks David Icke and Alex Jones etc are good sources of information)
Yes - it was more of a discussion about people's ability to effectively "filter" things that they have read on the internet.
For example, This:
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Is as credible as this:
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Hmm, is it the thing about VIP child abuse, murders and military bases...
well I never
Funnily enough, it seems several police officers have stated there has been a number of cover ups whenever things start implicating MPs:
http://exaronews.com/articles/5429/protected-paedophile-mps-and-prominent-people-say-police
Not to mention this from a BBC Radio 4 Today Programme reporter:
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How odd!!
Well Cyril Smith has been confirmed as a serial child sex abuser over many years. Also Norman Scott (he who was involved in the Jeremy Thorpe scandal) was apparently the target of some plot to kill him (his dog was shot), and the consensus was that it was senior officials in the Liberal Party who were behind the plot. So it doesn't need much imagination to realise that the current allegations on the BBC including the murder of 3 boys may not be so far-fetched.
But... No evidence of murder, no victims, no bodies.
This is going to go on for a while!
Where's the Dickens Dossier? That would make interesting reading for sure.
This story broke a few months ago now. There is an individual being referred to as Nick, who has come forward with very credible testimony of what happened to him between 1975 and 1984. The BBC carried that story at the time and I think it was being repeated yesterday because Scotland Yard have now spoken publically about it, acknowledging that his testimony is very credible, that they wholeheartedly believe his accounts and are now also investigating the possible deaths of three boys in connection.
So, it's not really a new story but the statements by Scotland Yard as to how they are treating it move the story on quite a bit.
I think we owe Jivehoney an apology! 
I don't really know what to think on this one. On one hand the police do seem to be spending a lot of time on it so it sounds like they think it's credible. On the other hand there doesn't seem to be any evidence other than the testimony of a single individual - and it sounds like quite a lot of effort has already been expended on the case.
Previously you'd have thought if they went as far as publicly announcing the inquiry etc. then they'd have more than enough hard evidence to indicate it was true, however after what happened with Saville and the BBC it's more difficult to tell.
I guess it's an attempt to get more victims to come forward.
The problem with the conspiracy theories is that it allows people to divert responsibility onto the 'elites' or powerful politicians ((hated anyway), rather than accept that such abuse is likely spread across the whole of society. I'd guess most of this abuse is of the most mundane and ordinary kind, in other words committed within families, or by friends of families, or by anyone with a predilection and opportunity such as seen in Rotherham and elsewhere.
The conspiracy theorists really do the vast majority of victims a disservice because of this diversion. The basic issue I think is that our society has failed to recognise this problem, and hence fails to protect children in any number of different ways. I know it has taken me months of press coverage of the issues in Rotherham etc. to accept that this sort of abuse must be more prevalent than I ever thought possible. Mysterious networks of powerful abusers may indeed exist, but to focus on them is to ignore and almost shield the larger problem from being dealt with.
I'd have to disagree with you there bainbrge: if people in power are abusers, be they MPs, judges or high ranking police officers, then the whole system which goes toward preventing and punishing abuse is biased.
Whatsmore, the majority of these cases involve the most vulnerable children from carehomes being used, abused and trafficked, funded by the taxpayer.
That would mean that even if the system did remove children from an abusive home environment, the care system may abuse them further rather than rehabilitate.
Much of the problem is that this particular crime has repeatedly been buried, with special branch/MI5 intervening each time:
http://exaronews.com/articles/5429/protected-paedophile-mps-and-prominent-people-say-police
and foul play to seize and destroy evidence, as in the following account:
http://pbepr.wordpress.com/scallywags-simon-regan/
This was due to the following article, which strangely McAlpine never sued over:
http://pbepr.wordpress.com/scallywag-paedophile-ring-article/
I'll let you take all that in, then if you're good, I'll tell you who Mr X is.
Tom_W1987 - Member
I think we owe Jivehoney an apology!
Some do for sure, rather unpleasant (if not unexpected) baiting.
I think we owe Jivehoney an apology!
I think not. That there is (and has been for a while now) credible evidence of a potential paedophile "ring" operating in London, including members who were high level parts of the "establishment" is given credence from a number of directions.
The issue people had in THAT thread is that the tinfoil hat brigade then extrapolate that and conclude that, if one conspiracy exists, then all the other conspiracies, with pyramids of masons and the Vatican under the guidance of the illuminati secretly controlling everything and every other nutjob conspiracy theory, from faked moon landings to the WTC coming down in a controlled demolition to capture of live aliens and exploitation of their technology at Area 51 are therefore also true.
Although at first glance this appears harmless, and we can all have a bit of a laugh at the credulous, imo it's dangerous, unhelpful and (perhaps counter-intuitively) the "truthers" are helping the true conspiracies.
For instance, I understand (can't arsed to look for credible backup for this, you can "do your own research" if you wish, I'll call this a hypothesis for now) that there is some credence to the suggestion that the US (and potentially UK) governments have been happy to let just enough suggestion leak out there about covered up alien landings etc. to cover up the real secret military research that was being conducted. When the story is about crashed flying saucers and alien autopsies most people won;t believe it, if the story is about top secret military research, more people will buy into that.
Or, since there seems to have been, potentially, some naughtiness (lets say it's somewhere between inappropriate interpretation of evidence and intentional lying) in the preparation of the "dodgy dossier" about WMDs in Iraq, that the tinfoil hat brigade then produce lurid stories about the murder of David Kelly, again linked to the Vatican, the illuminati, and the masons and involving in part the continued cover up of the fact that those at the top of the pyramid are actually alien shape-shifting lizards distracts and increases that chances that those of us who are less credulous will dismiss the whole lot - i.e. it's not impossible to believe, if there's credible evidence, that people in government might have been dodgy in pushing their agenda on Iraq. But not many people are going to buy it if the same narrative involves shape-shifting space lizards.
The problem with the conspiracy theorists is that there is no apparent critical thinking or weighing up of the evidence - they seem to believe that any and all wild conspiracy theories are true. That some of them are true only reinforces that view - if they were right about the WMD dossier and the paedophiles in Westminster then the alien lizard king must also be true, right? Wrong. And the converse is then also true - those of us who don't buy into this kind of thing are likely to dismiss any and all allegations of conspiracy on the basis that, well, it's just a conspiracy theory, isn't it? Just because they're after you, doesn't mean you're not paranoid.
And the result? Stuff like the serious allegations this thread was started in response to doesn't get taken seriously, things are brushed under the carpet and those in the establishment who are corrupt (or worse) are more likely to get away with it.
Therein lies the problem; everyone leaps on the 'conspiracy theory' bandwagon...
review the evidence presented and decide for yourself; it's that simple really
Very good points there edlong but I think a lot of people are too quick to jump on the nut job bandwagon. Who do we get our evidence from then and who do we trust ? Politicians ? Media ? Institutions like the Police or Cps ?
Sad to say but there's very few individuals of calibre and integrity amongst them and those in power abuse what they've got.
I think delivering his information in that style does not help his credibility either
It was all i know but i cannot tell you shit as well as vaguely and opaquely referencing his own "research" on the topic.
You can get the bland facts here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Wales_child_abuse_scandal
Re mc Alpine his main accuser the one known to have publicly named him apologised for getting it wrong
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20269114
Again no one is denying that some child care homes [ privately run generally] were centres of systamatic abuse of children. its also clear that abusers get jobs in positions where they can abuse and that the allegations were not taken seriously. i have seen very little beyoind unsubstantiated eye witness testimony to implicate the overarching conspiracy involving rent boy clubs and senior politicians.
i am not saying it is untrue but the evidence is not overwhelming as yet.
it should be investigated thoroughly
rather unpleasant (if not unexpected) baiting.
that is just such a beautiful example of the thing it criticises. Well played I salute your effort. Chapeau.
OH the ironyTherein lies the problem; everyone leaps on the 'conspiracy theory' bandwagon...
review the evidence presented and decide for yourself; it's that simple really
We have the problem is you dont get reliable and verifiable and just use confirmation bias
Ie you think it happens and you look for the evidence of it and ignore anythign that may refute it
Ie you think it happens and you look for the evidence of it and ignore anythign that may refute it
Aye, my bad, nationwide news of a police appeal for witnesses of a paedophile ring involving MPs murdering children at military bases suggests I'm just ignoring the facts.
Funny as ever Junky, but maybe not for the reasons you'd hoped...
😉
As for this gem from my cuddly nemesis Mr Glover:
(And because he thinks David Icke and Alex Jones etc are good sources of information)
That is pure speculation, lacking credible and verifiable evidence (such as a dictionary apparently... always handy for investigating crimes). And it's wrong...
Also just because some people in high positions committed crimes does not mean there is a corrupt establishment / masonic cult running it all. Given that like Religion, child abuse tends to self propagate (if you were abused as a child, you are more likely to become an abuser), I suspect it's been going on for generations in all walks of life, just better covered up be those from more privileged background as no one was prepared to challenges them.
If they had the evidence to prove the case they would not be making the appeal would they?
We know what you think and now we know the police dont have the evidence to prove what you think.
Of course this means your view is true though
your such an insightful thinker.
We know the police think it too, else they wouldn't be appealing for witnesses to fill in the gaps of all the evidence destroyed previously.
That means enough of the police are convinced to overrule those who've covered it up beforehand.
That cap look lovely on, sir - a perfect fit. 😀
Doyou edit everyone of your posts ?
Wrong on all points
Non sequitur or in your case a leap of faith
An appeal for witnesses is exactly that an appeal for witnesses. It means can we have some evidence please. Nothing more and nothing less.
Appealing for witnesses makes no comment on a cover up never mind prove anything about it.
FWIW many of us will think this is an issue worthy of investigation and worthy of time and effort. Discussing it with you is IMHO none of these things.
Lets see where the evidence leads us.
Respectfully I have no interest in your interpretation of facts as, given that post, its almost always incorrect/illogical/nonsensical.
Abuse is widespread across all levels of society, it was bound to involve those on high at some point. Though the fact remains that most kids are abused by people they know, not by organised VIP gangs.
The Police clearly think that this guys testimony is worth following up and this appeal for witnesses is clearly a punt at getting someone to corroborate what are very serious allegations. In the post-Saville climate I think it will be harder to cover up or fail to join the pieces of the jigsaw then it used to be. That said, the false allegations against soldiers in the recent Iraq enquiry demonstrates the other side of such investigations.
Lets hope the default setting for this kind of thread - from all of us - will be "let's see where the evidence takes the Police"
Apologies for some ninja spelling corrections, Windows phones are rubbish!
Go Jive go.
The Cyril Smith saga has been the one to leave me drop jawed.
[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_Smith ]Over a hundred complaints to police, he confirmed complaints were true to his parliamentary colleagues and neither they nor the police did anything.[/url]
Edit to respond to an edit: the police can't be trusted to do anything because they have consistently participated in cover ups and destroyed evidence rather than prosecute.
No evidence of murder, no victims, no bodies.
Not true. Parts of one kid were found at the time. But no one seemed to care as he had a 'troubled' past.
Makes you proud, dunnit?
The plot thickens, more evidence of cover up and after 2 chairs with conflicts of interest, the inquiry panel is now to be disbanded:
Also, ex police to submit dossier of cover ups in previous operations to Met chief:
If it's true that a D Notice was issued regarding the ELm Guesthouse then that is serious shit.
Officials running the D-notice system, who work closely with MI5 and MI6 and the Ministry of Defence, said they did not believe that such a notice would have been issued, but admitted that some records relating to official requests for media blackouts in the early 1980s have been destroyed.
Why? On purpose? Routine? Accidentally?
As I pointed out at the time - a lot of people on here were busy congratulating themselves on being cleverer than a nutty conspiracy theorist - while seemingly not really giving a shit about the bits that were true/plausible.
Lets also blame the teachers, we all had teachers at school we didnt trust to be alone with, rumours abounded about a few. Stranagely the lads who where very freindly with some got excellent grades due to home tuition.
The parents, surely they realised their cchild was missing for hours not climbing trees, or building dens like we all did as kids.
Social workers who should have listened to the kids, but at the time 30 plus years ago they just wanted an easy life, and where probably told its bad for promotion to rock the boat.
Then there where all the instutions lads and girls where sent when their parents couldnt cope, the clubs they attended etc, all places where they could be groomed etc.
Google Bry estyn at wrexham, a huge report was done and is still locked up ,not available to us taxpayers who paid for the reportecently a few of the staff and manager have been sent to prison and a few committed suicide, but probably there are a few more still waiting to be caught.
we all had teachers at school we didnt trust to be alone with
I didn't.
Mr Hole liked my brother according to my dad . He wouldn't let my brother go on school trips if Mr Hole was going.
I was really young at the time so had no idea what the issue was but as I've got older you realise.
grum - Member
As I pointed out at the time - a lot of people on here were busy congratulating themselves on being cleverer than a nutty conspiracy theorist - while seemingly not really giving a shit about the bits that were true/plausible.
Good point.
project - Member
we all had teachers at school we didnt trust to be alone with, rumours abounded about a few.
Very true, but wives were quite different!!
no we didn't.we all had teachers at school we didnt trust to be alone with
Very true
Despite it not being very true.
(we all had teachers at school we didnt trust to be alone with)I didn't 😯
we all had teachers at school we didnt trust to be alone with
not really
apart from the English Teacher who ran off with a boy from the upper sixth
The alternative is worse...... 😉
The alternative is worse......
WTF are you on about now?
The original thread was about David ike the illuminati and how " child abuse is central to the control structures of the ruling elite" it contained assertions that mi5 procured children to be abused by MPs so that the ruling elite could blackmail the MPs and control them . utter bollocks and no apologies needed. The fact that a police unit with a policy of " believing the complainant unless and until there is evidence to contradict them " accept the word of one person does not appear to challenge any of the critics of jivehoneys assertions as to a global conspiracy. Not even if that instance or instances of abuse are ultimately demonstrated to be true. None of which supports the childish suggestion that if you don't show respect for the conspiracy theory you don't care about child abuse.
Has anyone seen Huffington Post today?
Lead story is about [url= http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/12/21/westminster-paedophile-ring-dossier-three-3-mps-peers-house-lords_n_6362270.html?utm_hp_ref=uk&utm_hp_ref=uk ]22 high profile figures including 6 current MPs/Lords being involved in paedophile rings[/url]
Wonder how this could fit into all of that...
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Hmm
Strange that as Edukator as mentioned above, SIR Cyril Smith had so many allegations against him prior to being knighted in 1988, [url= http://nyenquirer.uk/mi5-special-branch-prominent-paedophiles-cover-peter-jaconelli/ ]but they were consistently quashed by special branch/MI5 [/url]
Then of course we have these 2:
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Of course, it'd be easy to take it as mere coincidence, but what if they were friends:
Much to suggest Jimmy and Cyril were:
[url= http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/11/29/paedophiles-cyril-smith-jimmy-savile-friends-_n_2210121.html ]Jimmy Savile + Cyril Smith friends[/url]
[url= http://nyenquirer.uk/jeremy-cyril-jimmy-ray-peter-alarming-similarities/ ]Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith + Scarborough Paedophile ring[/url]
Funnily enough, Jimmy and Rolf too:
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[url= http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07/01/rolf-harris-jimmy-savile_n_5546552.html ]'Jimmy Savile & Rolf Harris prowl Broadmoor together' (in 1973, decades before above pic was taken)[/url]
Why was Savile even given access to Broadmoor in the 1st place?
None of which supports the childish suggestion that if you don't show respect for the conspiracy theory you don't care about child abuse.
That's a straw man - I just pointed out that everyone was so keen to show off their logical superiority to a conspiracy theory nut (which is like shooting fish in a barrel) they didn't seem even slightly interested in exploring whether any of it might be true.
Which is exactly what happened in that lengthy thread.
" child abuse is central to the control structures of the ruling elite" it contained assertions that mi5 procured children to be abused by MPs so that the ruling elite could blackmail the MPs and control them . utter bollocks and no apologies needed.
Given that there is a recording of a Tory chief whip admitting that he used dirt on his MPs involving 'young boys' to get them to do what he wanted, it's not that far-fetched really is it. I'm not saying it's necessarily true either - but let's just look at the evidence shall we.
Oh no wait lots of it has been destroyed so we can't.
Are we sure that MI5 undertake background checks on any or all people who are nominated for honours? All those charity fund raisers and lollypop ladies - theres thousands of honours given out each year, I've no idea how many more nominations there are on top of that - and they all get a 'usually pretty thorough' background check from Military Intelligence?
Theres never any room to cite your sources in a 'fact' presented as a soundbite in a jpeg is there 🙂
Apologies if this is an assumption, but I'm guessing you're too lazy to read the links?
To give you your due, I'm not sure Lollypop ladies and the like enjoy the same level of access to the Royal Family:
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@Junkyard take a look at this in relation to McAlpine.
http://google-law.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/mcalpine-and-north-wales-child-abuse.html?m=1
In case people have forgotten who the half a dozen suspected ministers/MPs/Lords are. [url= http://www.sovereignindependentuk.co.uk/2012/11/10/who-is-on-the-tory-paedophile-list/ ]Worth a look.[/url]. Have fun checking out the claims with your browser. Or more to the point, get more and more depressed as more and more prove true.
[url= http://labour25.com/ ]More to ponder and DuckDuckGo[/url]
If that list is even half right it will make the general election entertaining in the extreme.
Too many current politicians are going to be affected by proximity if it comes out.
That said I hope like hell we actually get the truth. Depends on how far down the rabbit hole the investigation goes.
I think that the issue will cut across the political spectrum
Cyril Smith was labour before he was a liberal
you should ask yourself why if it was all one end of the political spectrum was it never properly investigated despite the rotation of political power
these individuals have relied on the need of institutions to protect themselves (take the BBC or the NHS on Saville)
what is needed is for people to report what they have witnessed, with dates, locations and names to both press and police
Let's face it. Doesn't really matter which colour of party it is. They will protect their own.
Still horrifying at the potential level of what happened in the salt not so distant past
Entirely correct that this is a cross party issue, hence why the majority of front benchers are steering clear as far as possible.
Yesterday [url= http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paedophile-scandal-charles-napier-could-1430365 ]Charles Napier[/url], half brother to an MP and treasurer of PIE (Paedophile Information Exchange) was convicted for offences in the UK. He also abused extensively in overseas roles, including Sweden, Turkey and Egypt, where he boasted the diplomatic bags he sent were a fine method of smuggling obscene images.
As a key member of PIE, he was well connected to a far larger network, including Peter Righton:
[url= http://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2014/12/24/peter-mckelvies-comments-on-charles-napier-and-peter-righton/ ]
Why was Righton allowed to reach the very top of the social work profession ( with posts at NISW and the National Children’s Bureau as stepping stones to positions as a Home Office/ Government “expert” on major reports ) despite being caught red handed abusing boys on a large scale in the 1950’s and writing quite openly in NISW and NCB journals, articles etc from 1971 onwards about his views that adult and child sexual relationships were not necessarily harmful
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The above article was written by Peter McKelvie, the whistleblower who led to Tom Watson's Question to the Prime Minister in late 2012:
Napier's conviction leads to further questions, including:
[url= http://www.itv.com/news/2014-12-23/charles-napiers-prolific-child-abusing-raises-questions-about-society-and-the-british-state/ ]
Why has it taken so long for Napier to have been brought to justice? It is 17 years since the ITV journalist Roger Cook handed a senior police officer a list of alleged child abusers, including Napier, during a film for ‘The Cook Report’.
Secondly, what links, if any, did Napier's Paedophile Information Exchange have to government and people working in it?[/url]
[b]As we enjoy Christmas with friends and family, spare a thought for those in carehomes and orphanages:
One thing to remember is whilst it's easier to imagine this is a purely historic phenomenon, the truth is, similar things are still happening; the reason historic abuse is exposed more is that as adults, the victims become more self assured and realize the wrongs done to them; children will often feel more powerless, especially those in care who may not have anywhere to turn. [/b]
The story about Elm house has legs it has in various guises been written about in Guardian, Mirror, Telegraph, Mail etc. 14 Tories, 5 Labour, 1 Seinn Fein, 1 MI5, 2 pop stars and Anthony Blunt the communist spy.
We also know the security services like to protect their own as it was reported that the police found the them very unhelpful when investigating Geoffrey Prime an ex RAF & GCHQ communist spy, child molester and member of PIE.
There were/are a lot of people with a lot loose.
What kills me is some folks levels of denial pertaining to their appropriation of conspiracy - That it goes hand in hand by default with 'theory' - When nothing could be further from the truth - Conspiracy is at the heart of any establishment - An open conspiracy if you will .. Carol Quigley's seminal book - Tragedy and Hope is a worthy place to begin if you need convincing otherwise .. The world is ran by stealth ...
Whilst everyone is united, we should all see the latest developments from Dolphin Square and the vast network surrounding...
Quick recap on the basics surrounding the network involving MPs, military bases, multiple child murders and sadistic torture of children trafficked from care homes:
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These are 4 separate links, expanding on the same story:
[url= http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5442/dolphin-square-third-witness-tells-of-child-sex-abuse-by-mps ]a)Today a 3rd victim has been revealed, with some very graphic accounts[/url]:
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[url= http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5443/peter-righton-ordered-teenager-to-pleasure-charles-napier ]
b) Peter Righton ordered teenager to pleasure Charles Napier(both mentioned in previous post above with Tom Watson video)[/url]
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[url= http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5444/ex-minister-wanted-boys-dressed-in-ladies-lacy-underwear ]c) Cabinet minister and famous comedy actor rape children[/url]
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[url= http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5445/darren-my-dread-of-medical-room-at-dolphin-square-flat ]d) Medical room, with hospital bed with shackles, gimp masks and washable floor:
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Why aren't there 3.7 million people marching about this?
Debate gone a bit flat here, eh...
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Something for 38 Degrees to latch onto? They've had some successes recently.
[url= http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/558231/rape-victim-army-abuse-esther-grace ]Another witness has come forward linking powerful paedophile rings to military bases[/url]
It now appears that the VIP paedophile network surrounding Elm Guest House and Dolphin Square is not only linked to North Wales care homes, but also to Kincora in Northern Ireland, which is also well known for involvement of the security services...
[url= http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/sorry-but-a-blanket-denial-just-wont-cut-it-any-more-31007047.html ]Trained Child sex slave was trafficked from Kincora, to Liverpool, to London[/url]
[url= http://www.newsweek.com/2015/03/13/britains-missing-children-310701.html ]Over 1000 children a year go missing from care system for unknown reasons[/url]
Over 300 children under 4 have gone missing from care system every year since 1995= Over 6000 missing toddlers!!
Whether it relates directly to what has been revealed in this thread is still unknown, but it's certainly worthy of further investigation...
Got anything to say about the Oxfordshire case, JHJ? You know, vile and despicable mass grooming and abuse of children. Or is it only white middle and upper class baddie conspiracies that tickle your turnip? As in, they fit your narrative.
After all, if there's a lot of grooming and abuse from ****stani men, that hardly fits the story that it's all the elite/lizards/whatever, does it? But, there it is. In cold hard facts, hideous abuse. Vile, despicable abuse, overlooked, possibly even condoned, by those who are meant to stop it.
Are "they" all a part of the lizard overlord scenario? Or is it just that there are vile scum in almost every part of society and you just can't bear to say it?
You probably want this thread~
though I'm sure if you took the time to read the link I've just provided [url= http://www.newsweek.com/2015/03/13/britains-missing-children-310701.html ]here[/url], Rotherham is mentioned...
However, what strikes me is that the ****stani men involved in the abuse you've mentioned aren't in charge of the care system, whereas, the Government, MPs and Judges etc involved in abuse and murder, are...
Of course, if you want to focus on a certain demographic, go ahead, but surely the real issue here is the care of children...
WOW he posts on threads and no one responds and he keeps posting
this one does not even need feeding.
You need another hobby beyond exposing the truth and insulting those who mock you. Essentially that is everyone on here basically for we are , despite our differences, rational
But, there it is. In cold hard facts, hideous abuse. Vile, despicable abuse, overlooked, possibly even condoned, by those who are meant to stop it.
Think we can agree on that...
Let me pretend I am interested in what you have said so you can reply some more
So what are your thoughts on this?
It now appears that the VIP paedophile network surrounding Elm Guest House and Dolphin Square is not only linked to North Wales care homes, but also to Kincora in Northern Ireland, which is also well known for involvement of the security services...
Or this:
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Or are you just going to keep shooting the messenger?
So, BBC world at one are covering the issue in detail this week, here is yesterday's broadcast:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02qmvpm