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What a massive crock

  • 98 posts & 27 voices | Started 9 months ago by toys19 | Latest reply from enfht

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  1. Junkyard - Member

    And in answer to your question, it does not make a better society.

    Ok so it does not make things better Shall we consider that to be good or bad?
    However, there has to be a starting point at which this behavior stops.
    yes starting point for stopping with you so far

    It is a blend of listening and a enforced rule that it cannot be tolerated.
    Yes I can tell you are both listening and enforcing
    Simply allowing this to go on is not acceptable .

    Yes i agree soverreactions must stop now after all they dont make things better.

    The opinions I have expressed are exactly that, opinions, not a **** 'how to fix ****' bible.


    Punish them in a way they will feel punished.

    I agree any fool can see that to punish someone you would need to punish them in a way that was actually a punishment.
    However I have yet to have it explained how punishing a person who did not commit a crime helps here though ..in fact even you accept it wont so why would you want to do it?
    Ffs stop having an go at me and try to address the reasons why this happened. It didn't happen near me or by me, but yes, I am entitled to an opinion.

    Who has said you cant have an opinion? I would say you are entitled to hold and freely express your strongly held and ill conceived view that doing something that wont make it better is the perfect way to make things better after the riots.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  2. kevj - Member

    So we all agree, tackle the problem at its root. Children at the age if seven plus? If all parents gave a shit and taught their kids morale then maybe we would be in a better place? Or have I just made myself a bigger target?

    Posted 9 months ago #
  3. Zulu-Eleven - Member

    Jebus!

    Have none of you read your Candide?

    "dans ce pays-ci, il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres"

    Posted 9 months ago #
  4. ernie_lynch - Member

    have I just made myself a bigger target?

    Not really, on account that I haven't a clue what you're saying. What does "Children at the age if seven plus?" mean ?

    Posted 9 months ago #
  5. Moonhead - Member

    7 or over and subject to the full force of the law??

    Posted 9 months ago #
  6. enfht - Member

    So Ernie if you think this is overKILL, what did your hero Che used to do to people he didn't like very much?

    Genuine question, like

    Posted 9 months ago #
  7. ernie_lynch - Member

    So Ernie if you think this is overKILL,

    No, not overkill, more of a complete irrelevance.

    A bit like you really.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  8. Kevevs - Member

    what you on about Z-11?

    Posted 9 months ago #
  9. kevj - Member

    Junkyard, why would it not work?

    If were a bad parent then I would not care about my own selfish lifestyle and would not at least try to educate my kids.

    Whoa there, Sorry, I do try to educate my kids. Hopefully they sill lead a better life than I.

    My opinion is far from ill-conceived. It stems from growing up in a very nasty part of town and seeing illegality for what it really is.
    I do not have all of the answeres but I do know that giving a shit for these pricks does not work. Nor will it ever.

    Commence .........

    Posted 9 months ago #
  10. RichPenny - Member

    I can't be alone in thinking that we actually aren't in that bad a place though? There's always been a tiny minority of society capable of mindless violence and general mayhem. It's just never been this visible before, and clearly that seems to have attracted the casual opportunist. It's this group I worry about most tbh, but I think the stricter sentencing is actually likely to deter those people.

    Much as I hate to agree with Cameron, perhaps he is right to suggest that the police didn't treat the looting with the right approach to begin with? Hindsight is a wonderful thing though...

    Posted 9 months ago #
  11. Coyote - Member

    Because not enough people voted to prevent him getting the power and Clegg offered himself over a barrel?

    This. Oh, with the little ginger toilet brush all lubed up in a gimp suit for Georgy-boy to play with.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  12. Northwind - Member

    Kevevs - Member

    what you on about Z-11?

    Not an exact translation but it's something along the lines of "In this place, it's a good idea to kill an admiral from time to time, to encourage the others"

    I think he wants us to kill David Cameron.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  13. Waderider - Member

    Please don't quote me, I was only having a laugh.

    (I do worry about the collective intelligence hereabouts though, if you don't know the difference between liberal with a small l and liberal with a big L. Even if the post was tongue in cheek).

    Posted 9 months ago #
  14. Moonhead - Member

    Please don't quote me, I was only having a laugh.

    It was a bit scary!

    Posted 9 months ago #
  15. RichPenny - Member

    Please don't quote me, I was only having a laugh.

    It isn't funny

    Posted 9 months ago #
  16. ernie_lynch - Member

    I can't be alone in thinking that we actually aren't in that bad a place though?

    No I'm sure your not alone in thinking that. There's plenty of people who think we should merrily plod along ignoring what has happened, and pretending everything is just tickety-boo. Mostly in the government.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  17. Waderider - Member

    I was having laugh - as a further extension of societies selfishness I don't care what you lot think. After all, this is a forum where the daily posters are mainly fools.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  18. Moonhead - Member

    It isn't funny

    But that post was just for a laugh?!! contradiction?

    Posted 9 months ago #
  19. RichPenny - Member

    (I do worry about the collective intelligence hereabouts though, if you don't know the difference between liberal with a small l and liberal with a big L. Even if the post was tongue in cheek).

    LOL, I do know the difference thanks. I'm sure that you will acknowledge that there is some correlation between the two when distinguishing between political parties and thus those in control of the home office and their agendas.

    Of course, I could have just pointed out that you were talking absolute bollocks like Junkyard did, but I thought my post more amusing

    Posted 9 months ago #
  20. Kevevs - Member

    give it 3 weeks and this'll all blow over. Remember that ILLEGAL Rupert Murdoch business? As you were Britain. Don't think, it's easier.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  21. Waderider - Member

    Always nice to be the centre of attention on the 'tits having a pointless debate thread'. I feel a sense of belonging.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  22. Kevevs - Member

    oh me too waderider. it's important to centralise it all about yourself!

    Posted 9 months ago #
  23. RichPenny - Member

    No I'm sure your not alone in thinking that. There's plenty of people who think we should merrily plod along ignoring what has happened, and pretending everything is just tickety-boo

    Sorry, perhaps that was pretty glib Just trying to balance out those saying this is the end of civilised society. Clearly there's a lot wrong in these areas which needs addressing. Do you think it would have still escalated had the Police cracked down earlier ernie?

    Posted 9 months ago #
  24. Junkyard - Member

    Junkyard, why would it not work?

    because, and i quote you here
    it does not make a better society

    My opinion is far from ill-conceived.

    It is ill conceived because it wont make anything better.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  25. ernie_lynch - Member

    Do you think it would have still escalated had the Police cracked down earlier ernie?

    Well of course I haven't carried out my own in-depth enquiry, but from my perspective here in Croydon, I have absolutely no criticism whatsoever with the way the police handled the situation. They were ready and prepared before things kicked off, but there was absolutely nothing they could do to stop 200-300 determined lo-lifes looting, trashing, and setting fire to shops, the logistics were simply stacked against them. Croydon has a mind boggling amount shops scattered all over the place - it wasn't designed with defence against looting in mind.

    Any criticism I might have concerning the police is in relation to their lack of receptivity to the peaceful demo in Tottenham before things kicked off. But that's another story.

    As far as general malaise in society is concerned, I'm afraid I take a deeply pessimistic view. I actually think the situation is far worst than many people imagine, I'm only surprised this sort of stuff hasn't happened before. And I fully expect considerably more social upheavals in the future, maybe not in exactly the same way, but in general lawlessness, very difficult policing, dangerous areas, etc.

    And I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is at present any overwhelming desire to change the course of direction that society is taking, which imo is clearly wrong. At the end of the day it's all about politics, and quite frankly British politics stinks. Neither the Conservatives, Labour, nor sadly now even the LibDems, offer any solutions.

    Please don't ask me what the solution is because I don't really know. Well actually I do know what the solution is, at least the start of the solution, but I don't know how to achieve it. I guess ultimately Britain needs a new political party to replace the now totally discredited Tory, Labour, and LibDem parties, and one which serves only the interests of the overwhelming majority of British people, and no one else. I think the Labour Party is beyond rescue. But to form a new viable party which can broadly represent the people in parliament and locally, is incredibly difficult to achieve. I am not at all hopeful. Although I guess such a situation could be forced by "events", ie, the complete collapse of the creditability and authority of the existing parties.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  26. kevj - Member

    Junkyard, you are obviously very good at taking isolated comments and using them <in isolation> to continue your argument.

    Why are you capable of making reasoned and rational decisions about the way in which you conduct your life? Are you honestly telling me that the thought process which stops you from looting and pillaging is not a result of nature/ nurture? The emphasis, for your future selective cutting and pasting, is on nurture, just in case you selectively copy segments of my text in isolation.

    The biggest influencing factor on these kids is firstly money, followed by the parents. If we as a nation have any hope, we need to put measures in place which encourage a more respectful society and the thought processes which promote this are instilled by schools (clearly not working in this case) and parental influence.
    I accept that my opinions in this thread are possibly not true world workable but your opposing argument suggests that we do nothing?
    My experience of feral humans is that they breed and do not have the where-with-all to raise children that will better themselves (yes there are exceptions).

    If there is a way forward, surely it involves getting parents to take responsibility of educating their own kids about responsibility? In the first instance, how do you motivate someone to do this if they themselves don't give a shiote? Money. Free money that the earn for doing sweet fa. If this means that they are punished in place of a juvenile then so be it. You watch how affective stopping someone's dome money can be. See if they tolerate this behavior, from their own children then. I suggest they will not.

    My dad would have kicked the living sh1t out of me if I had been involved in something like this, then again, I would not have based on my upbringing and can safely surmise that your parents were good and positively influential?

    Posted 9 months ago #
  27. don simon - Member

    My dad would have kicked the living sh1t out of me if I had been involved in something like this, then again, I would not have based on my upbringing and can safely surmise that your parents were good and positively influential?

    Isn't this one of the indicators of parental responsibility, if I did wrong my old man would kick the shit out of me, if a kid from the council estate did wrong the parents would kick shit out of the teachers, or indeed the kids themselves would attack the teachers. These kids are now parents and instilling moral values into their own kids. what chance have they got, it's not fair.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  28. enfht - Member

    Ernie for a self-confessed Che-loving Marxist you hide your core ideals very well

    Do you also dress up in women's clothes when you're alone and self harm?

    Posted 9 months ago #

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