More taxation, not sure I’m happy about this coming up in August quietly slipping under the radar.

I wonder what other stealth vat increases there are.

Is this to do with Ebay cleaning up their act with regards to channelling their sales through tax havens rather than UK government changing legislation?

More *correct and fair* taxation

ftfy

Well the activity basically to all intents and purposes takes place in he UK, that’s where you are logging on. So that’s really where the average person would say the activity is. So your taxed as if your in the UK.

You could be clever and say well its on a server in the Cayman Islands etc. But then you would all moan and say they are tax dodging.

More *correct and fair* taxation

^This.

wwaswas – Member
More *correct and fair* taxation

ftfy
How you can fall in line with all the rest of the sheep being conned by this bloody Government into thinking somehow it’s right for us, the most taxed nation in the region, to have to pay more for them to waste, fiddle their expenses, give away, bloat the public sector, I do not know, why is that?

Why is it OK for a tax that began life at 8% to now be 20% and you think it’s fine? Seriously why would you?

I’m not a tax specialist by any means but the vat is only on their fees which are, demonstrably, derived from the sale of physical goods in one territory or another so surely liable for vat in the same way that amazon, Starbucks, Apple et al pay VAT on sales regardless of the amount of corporation tax they pay due to profits being derived from IP owned in other jurisdictions?

the most taxed nation in the region,

We’re not. Not even close.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/may/27/tax-britons-pay-europe-australia-us

Ahem, Amazon, Starbucks, Apple, Ebay are not paying this tax people, you are, all they are doing is collecting it.

Why is it OK for a tax that began life at 8% to now be 20% and you think it’s fine? Seriously why would you?

I didn’t see anyone saying “yay higher tax” rather “yay more equalised tax”

Why is it OK for a tax that began life at 8% to now be 20% and you think it’s fine? Seriously why would you?

seriously? keep your hair on.

I said it was correct and fair in relation to ebay paying VAT on fees the same as every other UK business, not on the rate itself.

when VAT was 8% income tax for high earners was probably more than 75%.

I’m happy to pay less VAT if that means large corporations are taxed on where they earn revenue rather than where they place their servers and, equally, income tax is progressive rather than regressive so an increase in that and a decrease in VAT would also be welcome.

Happy now?

wwaswas – Member

Happy now?

Rhetorical question?

No I’m not happy, I’m busy preparing my vat return.

Why is it OK for a tax that began life at 8% to now be 20% and you think it’s fine? Seriously why would you?

VAT makes up 18% of UK tax collected.

Basically a lot of people think that it is fairer to tax consumption as well as income.

Would you rather reduce the VAT rate and increase the income tax rate? Or would you rather cut both and cut services as well?

graemecsl – Member
Ahem, Amazon Starbucks Apple, Ebay are not paying this tax people, you are, all they are doing is collecting it.

If you wish to split hairs, can you give me a single example of a tax not derived from and, ultimately paid by the consumer? I think you will loose, though to be fair I will resort to hair splitting and semantics.

Good to see ebay finally paying UK tax, I remember they moved the operation to Luxembourg some years ago.

Bad that seller fees will go up for home car boot sale type sellers. Will just have to use the classifieds on here a bit more.

I would rather cut the size of Government and particularly local Government and their officers, when did it become fine to pay the leader of Scunthorpe County Council 650,000 a year? Not that this is relevant since Vat doesn’t necessarily cover local Government, but, we have an overbloated bureaucracy, which of course we’ve blamed Europe for in the past but will now become even worse here.

VAT was introduced when we entered Europe from memory, I doubt for one moment it will be withdrawn when we leave, i would also venture that it is probably the Tax that produces most fraudulent activity from various scams down the years.

Sorry about all this, having a bad day, must stop ranting.

cut the size of Government and particularly local Government

One thing that you think either local or national government should wash it’s hands of and make redundant anyone involved in delivering?

Of course if Ebay VAT is a big issue for you then move your custom to another platform – that’s the joy of the private sector isn’t it?

Freedom to choose, the free market.

can you give me a single example of a tax not derived from and, ultimately paid by the consumer?

This. Ultimately the consumer pays VAT and ultimately the consumer pays corporation tax and every other tax the business pays.

fair

I love it when people talk about fairness as though there’s some universal agreeement of what fair is. There isn’t.

One thing that you think either local or national government should wash it’s hands of and make redundant anyone involved in delivering?

S106 grants for street art.

VAT was introduced when we entered Europe from memory, I doubt for one moment it will be withdrawn when we leave

Correct, it replaced Purchase Tax, which was at a rate of 25% when it was superseded by VAT, although that was charged at the point of manufacture/wholesale, not at the point of sale to the consumer.

Not a chance that the UK gov will get rid of VAT when we leave Europe! The outcry against the increases in other taxes that would be required to replace its 18% contribution would be immense.

S106 grants for street art

Aren’t they planning obligations paid by developers rather than through taxation?

wwaswas – Member
cut the size of Government and particularly local Government

One thing that you think either local or national government should wash it’s hands of and make redundant anyone involved in delivering?

I don’t necessarily think it should wash it’s hands of anything, but I do think there are too many levels of management, and the upper levels are vastly overpaid and under qualified for that pay. Plus take here locally, there are 59 councillors in my town although Councillors are not necessarily expensive in themselves they often have expensive habits that get re imbursed from the public purse, not necessarily VAT related I admit, but New York State has 59 councillors to deal with millions, our lot have to worry about 55,000 folk, to which end our local Council Tax is quite high, my small business before I closed it down and retired was paying £600 a month for one small Industrial unit, my house a modest enough bungalow is £200 a month. I didn’t used to notice this stuff much when working full time, but now retired fixed income you tend to monitor it all, Utilities off their face expensive and it keeps on rising, yes I had a little personal ebay account that I’d just started using to supplement the beer fund, ebay yields bugger all these days, and this, just another little 2% addition, but it’s a wind up.

Why is it OK for a tax that began life at 8% to now be 20% and you think it’s fine? Seriously why would you?

Income tax was 30% during the Thatcher era, now it’s 20%. The top rate in the 1980s was 60%. Likewise, since 2010, we’ve seen Corporation Tax drop to 19%.

So now we’re all paying slightly less tax, but the NHS and schools are experiencing a funding crisis, our navy cannot afford missiles to defend ships with and we can’t recruit enough soldiers, nurses or teachers.

But that’s okay because a small tax increase IS REALLY, REALLY OUTRAGEOUS AND WE MUST MAKE MORE CUTS IN CASE PEOPLE OBJECT TO A TEENY BIT OF EBAY TAX!

I do think there are too many levels of management

Things is everyone always says’ too much management and we’re paying for that with our taxes etc when it comes to LA’s.

Then Tesco’s cuts 3000 head office jobs and expects to deliver the same servcie to customers but no one turns round and says ‘these big companies have too much management and we’re paying for that at the tills’.

My wife works in a school – there’s one layer of management between her and the head of education (excluding the school governors). From what I’ve seen most LA’s (and schools) have trimmed any fat years ago and what’s being cut now is essentially core functionality/staff.

The NHS needs privatising, badly.

But saying that because of the way it’s been politicised, sounds like a bad thing, it’s not.

As long as the service delivered remains free at the point of collection, privatisation would bring thenecessary efficiencies, as it would with local government, but that is a whole other can of worms.

What IS the rationale behind VAT?

It does seem regressive.

Spending is A Good Thing in capitalist world surely? Gets the money moving around the economy.

It’s wealth that should be taxed, inheritance doulbly so because it’s the source of much inequality. Yet we do the opposite. Property is exempt and inheritance has a huge tax break and instead we tax earnings and spending.

The NHS needs privatising, badly.

You’re in luck! It’s being privatised very badly. Badum tish. (Blackadder)

The NHS needs privatising, badly.

It is being privatised badly!

Boom tish

[edit] darn.

Not so my recent experience, very efficient service for a cataract operation I didn’t really want, but it cost me nothing and happened way before I wanted it to. Local private initiative Eye surgery attached to the local Hospital very efficient, minimal staff, no groups of green clad dozy mares clustered around a computer doing bugger all, place was clean efficient, if it’s an example of privatisation bring it on.

Basically a lot of people think that it is fairer to tax consumption as well as income.

Those people being the wealthy who tend to invest their wealth and not spend it

VAT disproportionately hits the poor

The NHS needs privatising, badly.

Best of luck persuading the UK public that this is how best to improve it…I doubt you will get double digit [%] support

Meanwhile [ its just one link looks weird on my computer]
The NHS has been judged the best, safest and most affordable healthcare system out of 11 countries analysed and ranked by experts from the influential Commonwealth Fund health thinktank.

It is the second time in a row that the study, which is undertaken every three years, has found the UK to have the highest-rated health system.

The NHS has held on to the top spot despite the longest budget squeeze in its 69-year history, serious understaffing and the disruption caused by a radical restructuring of the service in England in 2013.

Its ranking is even more notable because the thinktank found the UK to put the fourth smallest amount of GDP into healthcare among the 11 countries. While the US spends 16.6% of its national income on health, the UK comes near the bottom, investing just 9.9%. Only New Zealand (9.4%), Norway (9.3%) and Australia (9%) put in less.

TBh you need to be fantastically right wing and irrationally wedded to the idea the business and free enterprise is always best to suggest such as thing

Ok who changed Jamba’s name?

Inheritance does not have a huge tax break. You have a certain amount you can pass on tax free and after that it’s 40%. Why shouldn’t you be able to pass on what you worked your ass off for without the government taking another 40% of it?

Ok who changed Jamba’s name?

Don’t panic they’re all guardian links, it can’t be Jamba.

Why shouldn’t you be able to pass on what you worked your ass off for without the government taking another 40% of it?

Why should people’s children receive the advantage of massive house price increases that their parents did nothing to work for and merely occupied a building for 20 years to earn?

Ah! Wait panic over it’s our old homophobic racist friend.

He’s gone now.

Mr Fuller? I remember thinking it was him a while ago, but CBA digging to check.

Why shouldn’t you be able to pass on what you worked your ass off for without the government taking another 40% of it?

Most peoples wealth will be their home which has acquired wealth over time rather than it being a result of anything they have intrinsically done

Tax free to spouse
£425 to kids/grandkids[ per parent]
Total for a couple of 850k tax free

funny how you never hear these people complain that others have not lived as well as they have and how they always insist it was “hard work” [ suggestion being if you did not have this you were lazy] that got them there .

So i guess the selling fees go up to 12% now, not including paypal fees? It used to be up to a maximum value of £50 i think, so selling a £1k bike now youll clear around £850 after paypal.

So i guess the selling fees go up to 12% now, not including paypal fees? It used to be up to a maximum value of £50 i think, so selling a £1k bike now youll clear around £850 after paypal.

Well, no.
Nobody in this thread seems to have noticed that it’s only applicable to business sellers.

Will ebay have to pay more tax here post Brexit? ie tax on earnings made here?