Davisdson is far to smart to take the westminster leadership now.

If she thought the future of the Tory party depended on her stepping up to the mark she might.

Would she remain true to herself or is there some dark force that bends you to the “Tory way”?

She’d have the same budget constraints as any other PM and she’d have to make a shed load of unpopular decisions just like any other PM.

If Davidson is as principled as some here would believe, looking out for ordinary people instead of screwing them over, then what makes you think any of the big main tory donaters are going to back and fund her?

Oh don’t get me wrong. She is a tory thru and thru. However she is the sort of Tory we don’t see much anymore. A “one nation” or “wet”

She’d have the same budget constraints as any other PM

Unless she needs to buy some votes, in which case a magic money tree will be found.

If Davidson is as principled as some here would believe, looking out for ordinary people instead of screwing them over, then what makes you think any of the big main tory donaters are going to back and fund her?

She isn’t. She supported the “rape clause questionnaire” sent to rape victims if they wanted to claim tax credits. Remember that when she’s next banging on about equality issues.

The NI bribe, doesn’t help Davidson though, she’s meekly accepted that there should be no extra cash for Scotland via Barnett.

Looks very much like the Scottish Tories have less power to help Scotland than the DUP bigots who were able to get a cool 1bn, to stash in the bank with all that green energy scheme cash & mysterious (russian?) donations for Brexshit adverts.

On the plus side, Scottish Labour seem to have suddenly remembered that they’re supposed to be against the Tories not with them, that’s good. Bit late.

Why is this thread about Theresa May’s bribe using the magic money tree all about Ruth Davidson’s integrity? Is it just that Edinburgh’s the closest possible place to London that’s worth even looking for a Tory with integrity?

just when you think ‘how can they get any more shambolic?’ they make a strong lurch to the stupid.

and the arguments for seem to be only ‘yeah, but it’s what labour would do’

the strong and stable leader has proven to be weak and reactionary.

I think it’s just interesting to point out that with this bribe May is able to tarnish the one half decent looking Tory MP!

However, the Tories currently have no obvious vote winner to take over from May. Davidson *is* a vote winner. So Davidson is a shoe in for Tory leader within this parliament, *except* that she’d need to be parachuted into a safe seat and it would be a bit odd if she took a non-Scottish seat.

If the Tories can overcome that technical problem, Davidson could have a vast amount of power within the Party in a very short period of time.

Yip, that’s the conumndrum for her. If she abandoms holyrood it’ll just look like a careerist move, which I doubt will play well in scotland.

just when you think ‘how can they get any more shambolic?’ they make a strong lurch to the stupid.

Indeed

So she’s the leader* of a party with no majority.

There is only one issue in this parliament… Brexit. The Queens Speech made that pretty clear.

So over half of that parliamentary party was pro-remain and remains pro-Europe on account of not being complete idiots. The other lot are a bunch of foaming-at-the-mouth, reactionary right-wing nutjobs. Both of these sides despise each other, but have managed to hold an uneasy truce during what to be proved an utter disaster of a campaign. So to make thing more ‘strong and stable, what to do……..?

Hmmmmmmm

I know….. let’s bring in a bunch to prop us up, who are so mental that they make our existing lot of foaming-at-the-mouth, reactionary right-wing nutjobs look like a socialist book club.

The chances of these lot not declaring war on each other, and setting about each other like rats in a sack, as the Brexit negotiations inevitably collapse into a total shambles?

Nil!

My bet on there being a general election before the year’s out is looking safer by the day

IMHO opinion she’s expanded all this time, money and effort to cobble together a ‘coalition’ that won’t struggle on into 2018. Yet more proof, if any more were needed, that she’s completely out of her depth, and generally absolutely effing useless

* The word is used figuratively in this instance, and no actual leadership skills are implied

Hang on – what about England? We must be due about 50 billion then – almost enough to make the NHS work properly.

aracer – Member
tjagain » So under Barnett that means extra money for Scotland and wales – IIRC 5 billion for Scotland, 2 billion for wales.
Hang on – what about England? We must be due about 50 billion then – almost enough to make the NHS work properly.

I absolutely agree. Youse should be up in arms about it.

£1bn in investment for the whole of NI whether the MPs / constituencies are DUP or not

Binners this agreement will last beyond 2018. There will be very few if any opportunities to force a confidence vote. The DUP are going to do all they can to keep Corbyn / McDonnell away from the chance of a GE and the Tories aren’t going to rock the boat

Technically they don’t actually have a functioning government at the moment, so it’s really a moot point Jammers, dear boy.

As well as being somewhat ironic. Propping a minority UK government up, having had your own regional government suspended due to your own corruption and incompetence

You really couldn’t make it up

jambalaya – Member
£1bn in investment for the whole of NI whether the MPs / constituencies are DUP or not

Yes when dealing with someone with the probity & integrity of Arlene Foster and gang you can guarantee that the money will be awarded in a fair & transparent manner
🙄

Also didnt you clearly state on a previous thread that the DUP would do the deal for no cash at all ?

There will be very few if any opportunities to force a confidence vote. The DUP are going to do all they can to keep Corbyn / McDonnell away from the chance of a GE and the Tories aren’t going to rock the boat

Well, there’s democracy, as seen from a disconnected and increasingly unrepresentative and illegitimate Westminster Parliament, and then there’s this….

How’s the mood feeling in this country at the moment, particularly Northern Ireland, in light of this whole shambolic, and rapidly deteriorating farce?

Events, dear boy. Events….

She supported the “rape clause questionnaire”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39652791

Seems reasonable to me. Why should people who have an extra child through a rape not receive a tax credit for the extra child? If you accept that premise, then it’s quite right that the tax office aren’t directly involved in the detail of something so sensitive.

What process would you adopt?

Davidson looked very uncomfortable supporting the rape clause. I am pretty sure she had been told by London to stop making separate policy for Scotland.

I understand why they did this but they got it spectacularly wrong.

Jamba – the DUP have already said they will be back for more after 2 years.

Outofbreath – have you any idea how cruel and upsetting it would be to have to prove via an 8 page form you have been raped? Evidence of a conviction is not enough. You have to sit down with a stranger and fill out a very intrusive 8 page questionnaire.

Aracer – correct. 1 billion for NI mens 50 billion for England under barnett

tjagain – Member
Jamba – the DUP have already said they will be back for more after 2 years.

They’ll be back for more when the government wants something through that isn’t in the deal.

Jamba – the DUP have already said they will be back for more after 2 years.

Blackmailers, having been paid once, generally do

Outofbreath – have you any idea how cruel and upsetting it would be to have to prove via an 8 page form you have been raped? Evidence of a conviction is not enough. You have to sit down with a stranger and fill out a very intrusive 8 page questionnaire.

I understand why they did this but they got it spectacularly wrong.

No need for a conviction. Can you just clearly state how it *should* be administered.

Binners this agreement will last beyond 2018.

I give your prediction the same weight as your prediction that the Tories would have a 150 seat majority.

Seems reasonable to me.

You’ll just have to imagine my surprise.

£1bn in investment for the whole of NI whether the MPs / constituencies are DUP or not

That’s the one silver lining. This really exposes Sinn Fein as a waste of space. The guys who actually take their seats get £800 each for everyone in Ireland.

Mind you I don’t think it will cost SF seats – I get the feeling there aren’t many floating voters in NI.

Binners this agreement will last beyond 2018.

jambafacts to the fore!

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/06/26/the-dup-will-be-back-for-more

That’s the one silver lining. This really exposes Sinn Fein as a waste of space

hardly good news for the GFA or restoring powersharing at Stormont

outofbreath – Member
£1bn in investment for the whole of NI whether the MPs / constituencies are DUP or not
That’s the one silver lining. This really exposes Sinn Fein as a waste of space

Sinn Fein a waste of space in the context of the UK parliament, who’d have thunk it! 😆

If people are expecting them to get up in arms about extra money going to NI, I think youse are living in a different planet.

Jammers dear boy. Shall we put our money where our gobs are again? We know how it went last time 🙂

I’ll happily do 20 quid with you. Lets have a tenner each on 2 scenarios

1) There’s a General Election before the end of the year. This is a banker. This cobbled together contradictory shambles won’t last 5 minutes, for the reasons I’ve already listed

In the unlikely event that it does, I’ll also bring in

2) There will be riots on the streets of at least one Major UK city before next summer.

We up for that?

hardly good news for the GFA or restoring powersharing at Stormont

Pretty much bad news all round, in an ideal world you wouldn’t want want hung parliaments[1] and you especially wouldn’t want the UDP (or Sinn Fein) holding the balance of power.

..but that’s where we are, and we’re gonna have to suck it up, at least until the Autumn, unless someone has a better idea.

[1] At least where no acceptable coalition of mainstream parties can be arranged.

Sinn Fein a waste of space in the context of the UK parliament

Waste of space in the context of getting enough influence to get £800 each for the people of Ireland.

The 20 best cartoons on the MayDUP deal

expecting them to get up in arms

Interesting choice of words….

outofbreath – Member
Seems reasonable to me. Why should people who have an extra child through a rape not receive a tax credit for the extra child? If you accept that premise, then it’s quite right that the tax office aren’t directly involved in the detail of something so sensitive.

What process would you adopt?

Start by not punishing the ‘extra’ child for for someone else’s actions.

The whole point of that money is to help provide for the child. The punishment of removing the money on the basis that mother has had too many children ultimately hurts the child. Properly nurtured and cared for children are the best investment this country can make in its future.

If the govt wants to restrict the number of births then use an education programme.

outofbreath – Member
Sinn Fein a waste of space in the context of the UK parliament
Waste of space in the context of getting enough influence to get £800 each for the people of Ireland.

you do understand their whole raison d’etre? 😆

CaptainFlashheart – Member
expecting them to get up in arms
Interesting choice of words….

😆

I’ll take you up on that (assuming we’re doing evens). Not because I think you’re wrong, but because I like free money and I’ll lay it off at the bookies at 3/1 😉

The interesting question though is whether those DUP votes would still be worth £100 million each if the target for a majority was 326. Sure they’d have 327 combined, but that’s squeakily close to getting defeated on any given vote any time a couple of MPs were otherwise unavailable.

I’m tempted to think that the only reason such a deal has been done and that money is going to NI is Sinn Fein’s stance on taking seats at Westminster.

v good point aracer