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58 posts & 35 voices | Started 2 years ago by Smee | Latest reply from ernie_lynch

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Northwind - Member

Personally I think you just have to look at the number of miscarriages of justice we've had in the past to see why it can be a bad idea. We'd have killed the Guildford 4 for example.

People say, that's a long time ago, but look at the american model- 9 people were exonerated and released from death row in the last year in the states. These are people who'd all been "proven" guilty, and we're not talking about reductions of sentence, but full acquittal or dismissal of charges.

You can say "Only for those who we know are guilty". We knew the Guildford 4 were guilty, and the judges knew those US death row cases were guilty, and yet they weren't.

I suppose I wouldn't be strongly against the idea if I was convinced as to the infallability of british justice. But nothing's infallible.

Posted 2 years ago #
BigEaredBiker - Member

If we are talking about it's use in the UK it should be assessed on how it would fit in with the UK legal system and not how it currently works or fails to in the US, China etc.

The argument that a civilized society does not execute is meaningless. A perfectly civilized society could exisit where the worst offenders are quickly and humanly executed. But then the legal system would probably not look quite like the one we have today...

As for comments about who would pull the trigger you will find no shortage of such people in Britain today, perhaps we are not the civilzed society that many allude to after all?

Posted 2 years ago #
PJM1974 - Member

I'm all for it for bike thieves and Labour/Tory MPs who claim more than a fiver on expenses.

Plus one or two ex-prime ministers too.

Posted 2 years ago #
jon1973 - Member

Youv'e done some time lately then have you?
No, I didn't think so.

I take it you have done time then? How is being locked up in a cell for 23 hours a day like going on holiday?

Don't believe everything the Daily Mail tells you to believe.

Posted 2 years ago #
2unfit2ride - Member

MY POV, if you do nothing wrong you have nothing to fear, OK you may be the unlucky one in a million that gets done for a crime you did not commit (A Team reference), but really, make the punishment death for everything, what does it matter to law abiding folk?

Dons stainless steel hat & runs...

Posted 2 years ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

I take it you have done time then?

Nah - he's a screw.

....or is it redcoat ?

Posted 2 years ago #
esselgruntfuttock - Member

I take it you have done time then? How is being locked up in a cell for 23 hours a day like going on holiday?

Don't believe everything the Daily Mail tells you to believe.

I won't, I'll just believe everything I see at work every day on C wing.
23 hour bang up is very very rare, believe me, I'm a prison officer.

Posted 2 years ago #
jon1973 - Member

believe me, I'm a prison officer.

Fair enough, but I still don't buy your comparison to a Holiday camp for one minute. That does sounds like a Daily Mail 'shock' middle class attention grabber (unless of course you mean a German Holiday camp )

Posted 2 years ago #
m_cozzy - Blocked

100% in favour & will vote accordingly.
As a deterrent, I dont care if it isn't but it WILL stop re-offending.
Any if its argued that it costs more to terminate the scum then the law also needs changing. Found guilty of a serious crime beyond all doubts? You are taken outside, given a lethal injection then incinerated.

EDIT - Although I wouldnt trust this current hopeless government or judges to get it right. I would be in charge

Posted 2 years ago #
TandemJeremy - Member

To all you in favour of the death penalty. Are you prepared to accept that innocent people would be executed and could you accept that if it was a member of your family?

Stefan Kisco. Stephen downing. Barry George. All found guilty of murder "beyond reasonable doubt" All would have been executed. All were innocent

Posted 2 years ago #
Northwind - Member

m_cozzy wrote,

"As a deterrent, I dont care if it isn't but it WILL stop re-offending."

It's funny how we know about a lot of other things that genuinely do reduce reoffending, but we don't like them because they seem to be soft on crime. We want hard sentences and tough prisons, which most research shows increases reoffending.

Posted 2 years ago #
esselgruntfuttock - Member

Fair enough, but I still don't buy your comparison to a Holiday camp for one minute
Well ok, I wouldn't actually buy 2 weeks in our place but, even some first & last timers say It's easy!
Typical core day,...07.45, unlock. 08.15 go to work. 11.00 come back from work, out for excercise, dinner & locked up for an hour till 13.30, unlocked, off to work again & back at 15.45. Locked up for 10 mins then controlled unlock for tea. Locked up by 16.45 till 17.30 then unlocked for association till 19.10 ish for the night.
Even those who don't work aren't locked up for 23 hours! Anne Owers would have a dicky fit if they were!

Posted 2 years ago #
Teetosugars - Member

100% for it.

Because I know, no matter what, the scote that did THIS to my Brother in Law Will never get what he derseves..

Posted 2 years ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

Typical core day,...07.45, unlock. 08.15 go to work. 11.00 come back from work, out for excercise, dinner & locked up for an hour till 13.30, unlocked, off to work again & back at 15.45. Locked up for 10 mins then controlled unlock for tea. Locked up by 16.45 till 17.30 then unlocked for association till 19.10 ish for the night.

What......no knobbly knees contest !

Posted 2 years ago #
grizzer - Member

Child rapist's and murder's! End off!

Posted 2 years ago #
nickc - Member

I don't want to live in a society that retains the right to murder it's own citizens, thanks all the same.

Posted 2 years ago #
chewkw - Member

Hay-soos!

Posted 2 years ago #
esselgruntfuttock - Member

What......no knobbly knees contest !
I would imagine there's that down the gym, which they can have about 5 times a week. Some people pay silly membership money for the type of gym we have. I think the only things we don't have is a pool, sauna & jacuzzi!

Posted 2 years ago #
simba - Member

cant we just get back to the days of getting a quick slap round the lug holes at a young age from bobbys, teachers etc? its all a bit namby pamby nowa days

Posted 2 years ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

I would imagine there's that down the gym

The gym ? They have to go to the gym ?

That sounds like hard work.......what sort of crap holiday camp expects the punters to work out in the gym ?

And anyway ....... everyone knows that the knobbly knee contest is always held at the swimming pool :

You have got a swimming pool haven't you - with sun beds and stuff, so that you can get a proper tan ?

My God, you haven't got a swimming pool. Next you'll be saying that you haven't any bars where you can get a decent pint

Posted 2 years ago #
esselgruntfuttock - Member

Next you'll be saying that you haven't any bars where you can get a decent pint
Bars! There's bars everywhere & quite a bit of hooch to drink at this time of year as well.

Posted 2 years ago #
0pt1cal - Member

for c**ts like Tobin definately

Posted 2 years ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

Bars! There's bars everywhere.......

Any decent crumpet ?

Posted 2 years ago #