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TDF winner admitts doping... and implicates Armstrong
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It seems to me that there is just enough money in road racing to make doping worthwhile, but far too much money in, say, football or tennis for anyone ever to get caught in those sports.
Correct, that's why the anti-doping agencies find it so difficult to pursue cases, the athletes have SO much money they can afford to fight it every step of the way and force a long, drawn-out, protracted battle which the agency simply can't afford.
Happens in the UCI as well although not to the same extent as in other sports (football for example is awash with more money than cycling could ever dream about). That's why Landis did that huge fight, it was an attempt to force the UCI and WADA to drop the case on the grounds that it would cost them too much, he just miscalculated.
There's plenty of circumstantial evidence surrounding some figures in road racing (Armstrong probably the best known example, there are others) but if the UCI/WADA/USADA ever tried to bring a conviction based on that it would bankrupt them.
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There is also the balancing act required to actually have a sport to be clean in...
Given that external sponsorship is the lifeblood of pro cycling, you can't simply chuck the baby out with the bathwater. European attitudes towards doping are far more relaxed than those in the US and increasingly the UK. In Europe people know it goes on and shrug rather than faint and froth...Posted 2 years ago # -
unless it's non european* riders doing it
*mainland**
**french
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mogrim - Member
> so why support the skinsuit ban and no bulletheads?
Why not? As long as the playing field's the same for all racers, and is this case a ban on skinsuits is perfectly aligned with sponsors' needs - realistically, could you imagine TV coverage of Peat in a skinsuit???I bet all the baggies they've agreed to wear will be pinned up tightly for the Fort William round
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Maybe the consequence then is that we should trust and admire sportspeople as much as we admire politicians.
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Dual-approach solution based on the fact that Italians and Spaniards are fed EPO in their bottles from birth whilst the Belgians are too smashed to ride much these days (apart from 'cross and you'd have to be out of your gourd to consider that)...
Self-elected 'Clean' and 'Enhanced' pools decided at start of season. Clean group tested on a weekly basis whilst training and daily during 1 day/stage races, all of them, no random selection. 'Enhanced' pool never tested but are given lively dose of randomly selected hallucinogen every three days (on the line on race days). Oh for the simple joys of watching Contador* or Boonen* talking to the trees...
*totally selected at random and in no way at all intended to imply that they have gorilla's piss blood transfusions
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Floyd really is a tool. He dragged the sport through the US courts on the hope of a technicality in the testing procedure to allow him to keep his title. After over a million bucks wasted, hes still guilty.
So what does he do? Say 'everyone else was at it' and 'its what i had to do to win' (we all do this).
Why couldn't he come clean at the 2006 press conference and said this?
Why? Because like all cheats you can't trust them one bit. Anything he says is tainted by the above. Could you trust him?
Fling shit at Lance and it gets you alot of attention. Previous **** have done this then become all evangelical and born again AFTER They are caught.
Funny that.
Until Lance is proved guilty shut the **** up?
Floyd was caught 4yrs ago. Hes dragged it out be he was caught 4yrs ago huh.
Rant over.
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HitchinBoro - Member
"Other than an "our boy" bias, is there any reason for thinking Wiggins is any more likely to be clean than the rest of the peloton?"
He's been vary scathing of dopers in both his book and in the news. He's turn out to be one of the biggest hypocrites of all time should he ever test positive.
Sounds like you are describing Bjarne Riis there, exept Bjarne didnt test positive, but after god know how many years admitted to having been doped..........
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Armstrong is probably the most tested athlete in history, in any sport. No test has ever found him guilty. Occam's razor.
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kennyp - Member
Armstrong is probably the most tested athlete in history, in any sport. No test has ever found him guilty. Occam's razor.
He keeps repeating this and it has been accepted as fact but it is totally untrue. Track atheletes are tested much more.
anyway - to me Occams razer says he is a doper - as I am sure he is.
Many of his team mates were systematic dopers, his trainer has been implicated. Is he really that much better - superhuman - that he can out perform the dopers? Unlikely. Far more likely he just hasn't been caught. Many many athletes are now known to be dopers without ever failing a test.
IMO anyone who thinks Armstrong is clean is hopelessly naive
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This court document makes a good read:
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which EPO for the commute?
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Well I know a pro roadie. Ex pro tour he did la vuelta, el tour and el giro. He always refused to take anything and to cut his hairs. Funnily enough he never managed to finish most of the tour he started. With all the others that wanted to stay clean. He says you can perform more than 4 days. After that you're burned. You obviously can "pootle" the tour and ride it for the whole 3 weeks. But not win if you're not "helped".
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IMO anyone who thinks Armstrong is clean is hopelessly naive
So on last years tour at his age he must have been smacked upto his eyeballs just to keep him in the tour let alone near the front?
Hes a magician at hiding his smack from the testers then? So Juan his age and with that pace against all the other drug users using their young age and drugs he must have gotten through a mountain of drugs every night before the next stage.
You know until you are found guilty you are innocent.
No you don't win Tour's on just water. You win tours on year round hardwork, dedication, pain, diet and backbone.
I'm a huge fan until proven otherwise. Saying that, if all of them have been dabbling, his achievement is still massive considering what hes been through and on the level playing field..
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Cheats Mea Culpa says it all to me.
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So Juan his age and with that pace against all the other drug users using their young age and drugs he must have gotten through a mountain of drugs every night before the next stage.
O8 WTF I have to do with all that...At the subject of non round seat tube. The seat tube, will just need a straight path for the motor to connect to the bottom bracket. Non rounded tubes will allow more space for batteries.
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IMO anyone who thinks Armstrong is clean is hopelessly naive
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one
Anyway, it's far too nice a day to be sitting in debating doping. The sun's out and I'm off up the Pentlands.
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The sun's out and I'm off up the Pentlands.
Don't forget to swap out your blood before you set off
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hora - Member
IMO anyone who thinks Armstrong is clean is hopelessly naive
So on last years tour at his age he must have been smacked upto his eyeballs just to keep him in the tour let alone near the front?
Yup - and throughout the last 20 yrs leading to the abilities to do so
Hes a magician at hiding his smack from the testers then?
Yup - like so many Americans - think how many of the track and field athletes are now known to be dopers despite never failing a test
Of course he had the abilities and the drive - but I simply don't believe he could do what he has done clean and there are so many bits of evidence pointing his way
Enjoy it Kenny - heading off to East Lothian shortly myself
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it comes down to this. He would of known his team mates were doping, as would of the doctors, the perfomance changes would of been obvious. So why, as someone so opposed to doping didn't he demand they were kicked out the team? He had the power to do it, but didn't why? Something to hide? Anyone who thinks the top boys don't dope is insane, of course they do
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Hes a magician at hiding his smack from the testers then? So Juan his age and with that pace against all the other drug users using their young age and drugs he must have gotten through a mountain of drugs every night before the next stage.
Hora - why do you post about things you patently have absolutely no idea about?I would be astonished if he was clean, either now or at any point in his career.
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Ok I confess I take stuff...
Most of the time it's ban pagnat, but sometimes I take even more stuff... Like serrano, or saucisson.
Sorry I will do my mea culpa. I'll try to stop doing it.Posted 2 years ago # -
pot belge Juan?
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Nae more like a mediteranean casserol
Plus not sure it does help. You've ridden with me twice and you know I am slowPosted 2 years ago # -
Yes of course. 'Those Yankie Imperialists' who win are all tarred with the same brush.
Do you also believe in UFO abductions of illiterate farm hands?
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Hora - I am convinced that you are an alien
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Hora - why do you post about things you patently have absolutely no idea about?
Why don't the authorities listen to you then, obviously a man in the know.
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HeathenWoods - Member
Don't forget to swap out your blood before you set off"What blood for Harlaw?"
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Why would they need my opinion. There is enough evidence from the regular +ve tests to confirm how widespread it is......
......and how very dare you use my image without my consent
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I remember a quote a few years back from a pro cyclist who'd come clean saying if pushed for the truth, 90% of pro riders would admit to using banned performance drugs and the other 10% were just liars...
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I don't really like David Walsh much as I don't think he's really unbiased but this is still a good article and it makes a very good point about the number of "bitter ex-employees"
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