Why do so many people on here defend bad driving? speeding, undertaking, aggressive driving generally?
Its not just todays BMW thread - I have seen this many times. No restrictions on the drivers right to do as they please will be tolerated and driving like a cock is seen as right and the norm.
This is a cyclists forum WTF does this happen? Is it 'cos they are all frustrated home counties middlemanagement / sales / It with small willies?
Is it 'cos they are all frustrated home counties middlemanagement / sales / It with small willies?
That's more or less it. It's part the modern malaise of people thinking they've a right to do anything they want just because they want to do it.
Is it 'cos they are all frustrated home counties middlemanagement / sales / It with small willies?That's more or less it. It's part the modern malaise of people thinking they've a right to do anything they want just because they want to do it.
Yes, both of those.
Largely, however, I think it's because we refuse to acknowledge the pace of decline of Britain.
You're in league with Smee.....
I've always likened STW to the Gents at my local pub........It's where all the pricks hang out.
I am in middle management, and I can't comment upon the size of my appendage, as I don't spend any time checking out anyone else's!
I tend to drive with respect for other road users and am a believer in the Karma bank, so it isn't up to me to avenge any rubbish driving.
But then I have never owned a BMW
Why do so many people on here defend bad driving? speeding, undertaking, aggressive driving generally?
Fat blokes with small willies who learned to drive on their PCs right after achieving the grade of Nintendo Ninja Supercommando?
Drinkers of too much coffee?
Mummy didn't love them?
Gawd knows? I just wish they'd all go and have their epiphany (crash?) without taking out someone else.
I have no problem with appropriate speed, but usually people who think other drivers are idiots are not very discerning about what is appropriate.
Speeding in the right place and time is fun if hard to defend but undertaking on the motorway - never acceptable
Half a dozen people on the other thread defended flashing headlights aggressively to move a driver over and undertaking him above the speed limit if he didn't move over.
Reckless driving at best and dangerous if the cop is feeling stroppy
Edit - glad to see there are some non cock drivers who just avoid the stress of the driving threads
undertaking on the motorway - never acceptable
Not entirely, TJ. Sometimes it's the best way to deal with someone who sits in the outside/middle lane. Far better than sitting up their chuff and flashing your lights at them!
You're in league with Smee.....
That's fightin' talk that is 
What about when someone is sitting in the fast lane, hardly hitting 70, and has got two lanes of empty motorway to their left? If you have a fast car and undertake in the slow lane leaving one lane clear for the numpty to suddenly swerve into, which seems unlikely as they've just spent the previous 10 miles 'cruising' in the same lane, surely that's ok TJ? Please let me know as I'm going slow enough at the moment to access the net on my blackberry.
Is it 'cos they are all frustrated home counties middlemanagement / sales / It with small willies?
i am none of the above !!!
tj get over it ffs i didnt undertake him i stayed in the middle lane.
And stop calling me a cock or i will tell my mum.......... you cock 
I find people react badly to being flashed 
but a quick flick of the right indicator tends to do the trick - less arsey, and more often than not gets the point across and leads to less hassle 
I have to agree with previous posts, undertaking can never be condoned 
Ramming lets them know you're serious but usually doesn't cause too much damage.
Speeding in the right place and time is fun if hard to defend but undertaking on the motorway - never acceptable
Half a dozen people on the other thread defended flashing headlights aggressively to move a driver over
You see the problem isn't people defending bad driving, it's the definition of what bad driving is.
Kettle, meet pot 
TJ, you rant on all sorts of topics unrelated to cycling, and this thread is premised on what you view as "good driving".
Some times you do have to undertake, to avoid a big motorway blockage. Do wait a while before doing it though and make sure it's safe. Don't just come ramming up and fly by on the inside at speed tho like some do - it's frigging dangerous.
On a serious note, has everybody else found that he or she has mellowed with age?
In my mid-late twenties, I'd fly off the handle in the car really easily. I was doing a 40-50k miles a year job, driving a fairly powerful fast car, thought I was king of the road, never did anything wrong, nobody was better at driving than me except the rest of the less than average skill drivers....you know the schtick.
Now that I'm older, I just take it easy, nothing's more important than just getting there safely, in one piece. I try my best to stick to the rules of the motorway, probably exceed the limit occasionally, try to maintain lane discipline, watching in wonder as all the nutters treat the road like it's some kind of battlefield, only to see the same nutters one or two cars ahead at whatever slip road I'm exiting.
I come along behind a slightly doddery old git in front of me and think "that's my mum, that is". She's a bit doddery now, and has had one accident in all her years of driving (the old bump into the car in front in crawling traffic) but now I see how nervous she gets when "young" drivers drive up her arse, overtake stupidly, flash lights. In her seventies, other parts of life seem to fly by at the speed of light for her. But still, she manages, doesn't crash, pays eff all insurance because of it. So, I hang back, and just let the old folk to it. They have to get around and the buses are shit. And they've been around a lot longer than me.
We're all like rats in a fookin cage these days. We co-exist until there just isn't enough space for us, then suddenly every other guy is "trying to nick your spot in the line of traffic" or undertaking you or generally being a far worse driver "than me".
Spread a little love around folks...every day, let one other car out that you normally wouldn't (even if for me, that means at least once every day, I'll let a 4x4 out into traffic or flash them to pull out on the m-way...painful, but just do it). And then let one other car out that's just a very uncool car. It's easier to be nice and just relax...you'll feel a lot better for it. Calm down everyone. It's only metal, plastic and tarmac. It ain't really that important.
This is a cyclists forum WTF does this happen?
Because some cyclist also drive cars.
it's the definition of what bad driving is
If you driving in such a way that gives somoene the opportunity to undertake, then 9 times out of 10... you're guilty IMO.
I can't stand the pedants that sit in the outside lane....
'I'm doing the national speed limit, why should I pull over'.
As the eminent American street poet Ludacris puts it....
'I'm doin' a hundred on the highway
So if you do the speed limit, get the FwCK outta my way!'
thinking, if your doing 70 and the car outside of you is doing 60 are you undertaking or are you making progress?
rule 163 highway code
stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left
how many cars is a queue? and how slowly is slow?
I worked in sales middle management a few years ago andI once got pulled on the M4 doing 100 undertaking an unmarked police car. I don't live in the homecounties though.
I do admit that I was driving like a cock, and I have mellowed a bit with age. No longer work in sales either 
Deadlydarcy, that post brought a tear to my eye!, Well done.
BTW, this isn't a cyclists forum
Its mostly a mountainbikers/trail centre forum 
Ok, so its against the highway code to undertake for one sensible reason, because the driver in the right hand overtaking lane will not expect anyone to be traveling faster up the inside, and will potentially not properly check the mirrors before moving over to the left. Thats the one and only reason you shouldnt do it, and why its acceptable when traveling in heavy congestion, when the drivers in the right hand lane can clearly expect the traffic in the left lanes may be moving quicker, and so will give moving back to the left the due care and attention it deserves.
So now consider some tit hogging the outside lane who know's your behind them and would like to pass. Why would they not move over other than to be obnoxious barstuards. They know your there, you can see that after miles and miles of clear motorway they refuse to move over, at which point its fair to say that undertaking cautiously is only a fair thing to do and that the car in front should reasonably expect such behaviour. Sure, its perhaps only stooping to their level, but why show them anymore respect then they have for the trail of traffic beind them?
The incident in question on the previous thread was a typical example of such moronic lane hoggin behaviour, with a "I own the right hand lane" attitude and "ill be **** if anyones getting past and if you dare undertake me....." In which case, why show them any respect at all? If they want to be funny buggers, and i'm willing to risk an undertake, If the worst happens, I sure as hell wont feel any guilt for their loss.
I have stopped travelling back to the North West on a Friday now as it stresses me out, I take the Friday off and go on the Thursday night instead. The standard of driving has severley taken a nose dive. I passed my test in '96 and have travelled the length and breadth of the country courtesy of being in the forces. I absolutely hate driving distance now as it's like warfare, people are so damn aggressive behind the wheel.
Singletrackworld users seem to really enjoy contradicting. I don't know why. I do it myself. Forums are bad for it but of all the ones I've used, this is by far the worst.
It doesn't matter what you say, more will contradict than support. It's odd - most STWer I've met aren't like it in person.
If someone mentioned the high-speed performance of Mattracks in real life I wouldn't dream of correcting them as it would simply be a dickheadish thing to do. Yet my last STW post did just that.
The temptation to correct people from behind the keyboard is so great, I wonder if it maybe satisfies something within us all. Perhaps it makes our otherwise largely impotent and frustratingly inconsequential male middle-class existances feel that tiny bit more worthwhile.
In much the same way an overweight greasy-skinned, geeky virgin might scoff disdainfully at your idiocy when you mispronounce a character's name from Star Trek, it's not often the modern man gets a chance to kick ass, put someone down and victoriously lord it up over their fallen corpse, so when a chance arises to take a little victory, however brief, we snatch it with both hands and go full bore down the broadband cable.
Forums innit.
God I talk some crap on here.
Why do people feel the need to start a thread about how other people have replied on another thread ?
Now that really confuses me,but that isn't that hard tbh.......
Singletrackworld users sem to really enjoy contradicting
Nail. On. Head.
Pillocks.
Singletrackworld users sem to really enjoy contradictingNail. On. Head.
Pillocks.
Can't remember the last time I heard anyone called a pillock,LOL ! 
Because there is a large expanse of grey between the black of dangerous driving and the white of perfect courteous driving?
+1 for what deadlydarcy said.
He is right, you know.
It doesn't matter what you say, more will contradict than support. It's odd - most STWer I've met aren't like it in person.
Talking of courteous driving - can the non-use of indicators be defended?
I followed this Mini 4 junctions yesterday, not one indication. (the Mini, not me)
Right turn into a main, left turn into a minor, right into main, across roundabout. no flashing amber lights on any side. Nothing.
I don't understand that at all.
A BMW Mini.... they'll have been using their wipers you dumbass!
Singletrackworld users sem to really enjoy contradicting
Middle class insecurity and middlemanagement/IT dept/professional underachieving?
That's my excuse!
Speeding in the right place and time is fun if hard to defend but undertaking on the motorway - never acceptableHalf a dozen people on the other thread defended flashing headlights aggressively to move a driver over and undertaking him above the speed limit if he didn't move over.
Actually no-one defended aggressive headlight flashing, they defended the use of headlights to show you're behind someone - the method suggested by the highway code ("110
Flashing headlights. Only flash your headlights to let other road users know that you are there. Do not flash your headlights to convey any other message or intimidate other road users."). No-one suggested tailgating or repeated flashing like a nutter. No-one defended undertaking at at speed either, they defended undertaking carefully. You just like trolling. What's your excuse? So much of a troll, in fact, you're starting another thread on the matter!
(not middle management, middle aged, fat, IT related or stuck in an office, or on too much coffee, and my appendage is of normal proportion).
Talking of courteous driving - can the non-use of indicators be defended?
Not really, unless there's no-one about to see it, but it's hard to find times when that's the case.
Is it not an interesting point that a large number of people in the other thread felt it was fairly reasonable action (up to the point where they raced off together) AND are cyclists that maybe they're not the unusual ones and that it's not that dangerous, but that your argument may be less of a strong case?
Ha ha.....nice one. Let's start a new thread to talk about those morons on that other thread who don't agree with me.
No one argued the case for 'aggressive flashing' of headlights.
TJ, you seem to conveniently ignore comments/questions that mess up your 'i am right, holier than thou' opinion.
Please answer this (I asked it in the other thread and you ignored it there): you are driving on the A1 from the M25 all the way to Sheffield in the early hours of the morning. You catch up with someone doing 50mph in the outside lane just south of the Hatfield tunnel). This car refuses to move over at all and remains in the outside lane.
Do you:
a) slow down to match the other cars speed and sit quite contently in the inside lane, even though you are now doing 20mph slower than you ideally be doing & have a long journey ahead of you?
b) wait a while and then undertake the car using as much care and concentration you can muster, along with a hefty does of right foot to get past as quickly as you can
c) reply stating you would do "a" when really you would do "b" as it would mess up your flawed 'holier than thou' arguement?
For once I agree with TJ, too many idiots on the road.
Maybe it's just too many cars and the probability of seeing a moron is likely?
Defend stupid driving? no way.
Just take out legal cover and sue their butts. I'm already suing a guy driving to close, on his mobile and went into the back of my car injuring me and writing my car off.
Idiot!
Stumpy. I would do A - as I know that driving safely only will cost yo a few seconds.
Al - its not my interpretation of safe driving - its the law. Undertaking is never right and yo must know that.
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