Looking for a steel cx frame, for canti brakes, one bottle cage mount would be handy as would horizontal drop outs (but not a priority)

Also don’t want a short head tube like a Surly cross check, like the look of the singular kite but not available till next year

Tried Salsa? FWIW I’m running a Casserol (with a disc on the front) off road, it’s doing well but I’ve not ridden many cx frames to compare.

bigger sizes in the casserol have funky heat tube top tube thing going on that offends me

la cruz looks right but is disc only

Aye it offends me too, sorry for missing the canti bit, I’m disc-focussed these days!

Custom? Burls maybe?

mines on order 🙂

How about a pompino or kaffenback?

http://cotic.co.uk/product/x or ROADRAT if you really need track ends.

Cotic?

I’d love to go custome but don’t think I can justify it

had a few on ones and planet x’s over the years but was never that bowled over by them. Grand bikes but nothing special

cotic has issues, never liked the road rat

don’t want track ends want a hange but maybe with a horizontal dropout to keep the future options open

Horizontal dropouts, but not track ends? You mean like the old Kleins?

n00bs!

http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=horizontal+dropouts&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi

Jeez half those pics are of track ends ARGH!

I like the similes:

Anyway, if you’re going to use the bike off-road, then forward facing horizontal dropouts are a bad idea, so hadn’t considered sssimon might be after that.

then forward facing horizontal dropouts are a bad idea

Why ❓ Millions of miles ridden off road on them!

Why

Because, if rear facing, you can push the axle to the front of the dropout when running gears, or use a chaintug if singlespeed, to prevent the wheel pulling forward. Neither option available with forward facing horizontal dropouts.

Millions of miles ridden off road on them!

Simon,what about a Kaffenback, just about to Ebay mine.
Frame and forks, or full build, I’ll even bring it down to the shop for a look/spin/haggle 🙂
AndyB