But there's problems with the mental health service as well.
Only in that it's not directly controlled by central government. There is an overextension of a culture of localism. This is because national government doesn't feel like getting it's hands dirty - better for them to delegate this stuff to local level, without adequate funding, then they can blame someone else when it goes tits up.
Bring mental health under the control of the national government, and everything will be just fine.
Midlife crashes - fair enough - and it sounds like you are trying to do your bit. Good for you
Failing depts as Doncaster social services is can be turned round - but it takes time and will. Hopefully getting somne good folk in at the top will be the start.
I think things will be different when Shiny Dave points his blue light sabre into the dark corners of English life.
Once we work out who the deserving poor are, then we can make sure they get what they deserve.
Wow.
I think things will be different when Shiny Dave points his blue light sabre into the dark corners of English life.
Even more localism ? Replace VAT with a local sales tax so town halls can fund themselves ?
Not read all of this but some of the work that is done by these people is amazing, as always it is the odd incident that grabs the headlines and all get tarred with the same brush, what about the ones who have to visit on their own, going in to houses that are no-go for the police, gangsters, pimps, drug dealers, every move being watched by some gun toting thug, dealing with ethnic families where beating sh1t out of women and children is a 'family value', dealing with people under threat of honour killing etc, etc - and all this is inevitably handled by an unsupported woman on a very poor wage - my hat goes off to ALL of them and to the thousands of men, women and children that they help
MLC,
I applaud you on your commitment. You seem to be doing more than your fair share.
However, the only "fix" I see for social services and most other parts of society is when lots of other people join in and do their bit too.
OTOH are you not being just a bit unfair if you are linking
Meanwhile the mother is being raped and tortured to death in the house they didn't even knock on the door
with
unfortunately the corruption and incompetence extends so far around Doncaster that it's not somewhere where the good guys want to come to work.
As ernie lynch alluded to, it seems you are blaming some things on SS that aren't actually their fault, or if they are, might well be down to overwork and poor leadership (right from government) rather than corrupt or incompetent individuals.
But given all that, don't you personally feel better for being involved in society and dong something positive?
One of the massive problems we (society) needs to overcome is to get over to people that far from being just a chore, getting involved in community matters is actually rather satisfying.
One of the massive problems we (society) needs to overcome is to get over to people that far from being just a chore, getting involved in community matters is actually rather satisfying.- exactly the thing Tony Blair was trying to introduce along with family values, it is about time people started helping themselves instead of blaming others
Let's not bring Tony Blair into it !!!
Ti29er - MemberNo, but I can help you with your puncuation.
........it is about time people started helping themselves instead of blaming others
I couldn't agree more.
All these "abused" children - why don't they sort their own bleedin' problems out ?
........ instead of always expecting others to do it for them.
The problem as I see it, is that we have a useless and incompetent government. Plus all social workers are,
as we've discovered, fundamentally evil.
How much better would it be, if the relevant authorities reflected more the level of simple wisdom, and common humanity, which is expressed by so many on here.......
are trying to do your bit. Good for you
People have different experiences and opinions and you think they're wrong because you're employed by the NHS and know-all, but as usual this has been somewhat exploded, again.
This whole SS debate is very much in the public spotlight and it's not working very well.
Very interesting ,everyone of you either works with social workers or has met one,not one has been screwed by them,and not sexually thank god,when they screw you then your whole image of them changes.
30 years ago we didnt have sw we had families and if all else failed prison and asylums and they worked well.
Maybe a bit patronising but I was trying to say that people who try to do their bit to make the world a better place should be aknowledged and thanked.
Whereas people who denigrate and snipe from a position of ignorance should be called to task. Many questions have been asked of you on this thread and you haven't answered one.
Your postings on public services shows the depths of your ignorance. How do you know social services are not working very well? How about the 40% reduction in murders of children?
Your ignorance, arrogance and stupidity is breathtaking. Its an unpleasant and dangerous combination.
30 years ago we didnt have sw we had families and if all else failed prison and asylums and they worked well.
yeah right ! No child abuse back in the 80s was there. No children being killed by their families. Most child abuse and murders are committed by family members.
30 years ago ......... we had ........ asylums and they worked well.
Well you know who to blame for getting rid of them.
They weren't needed as 'Care in the Community' would deal with all the problems.
Hopefully it's already been said...Social services are well under-resourced and roles such as child protection are extremely stressful & wearing not to mention thankless.
Of course the OP et all wouldn't be "daily Fail"-style moaning if their taxes went up to pay for better services 
Well you know who to blame for getting rid of them.They weren't needed as 'Care in the Community' would deal with all the problems.
Isn't that an urban myth - long stay psychiatric facilities started closing well before the care in the community act, in the 60s, 70s & 80s.
Not that asylums have anything to do with it though, surely the vast majority of abuse is carried out by supposedly sane people?
Joe
explain why 40% reduction in murders of children has anything to do with social services please
Also, whatever you think of social services, as we've seen in Ireland recently, they are probably a lot better than farming it out to an church (or another organisation with absolutely no accountability and massive power).
Joe
"Isn't that an urban myth - long stay psychiatric facilities started closing well before the care in the community act, in the 60s, 70s & 80s."
As I recall, the closures started in the mid to late eighties, just after I started my (psychiatric nurse) training. It's possible that plans had been made well in advance of this, of course, but it's a fairly safe bet that we'll see them opening up again, once some bright spark spots the misleading part of the term 'care in the community'.
Isn't that an urban myth
No
zeicke - Memberexplain why 40% reduction in murders of children has anything to do with social services please
Over the last decade Social services have had major overhauls in procedure and policy as a result of shortcomings and are now better at seeing problems arising - and more children are taken into care now since the climbie scandal.
I am sure there are more factors but if rates of child murders fall the agency that is trying to prevent child murders must be getting something right
i would think there a lot more factor's at work here to be able lay that success at social service door
Better monitoring by social workers and improved liaison between health visitors, paediatricians, GPs and police had led to the drop, it said.
zeicke - a simple google search reveals there certainly are more factor's at work, but it seems you may be to lazy to look into it, and it is easier to just blame social workers.
i would think there a lot more factor's at work here to be able lay that success at social service door
Like ?
Given that you seem to be implying that SS have had little impact on the reduction in child murders, maybe you could just tell us which factors you think have had a bigger impact?
Or do you think any reduction is just random?
I am sure more factors are at work - but equally I am sure that improved procedures and training in SW have helped
Other factors are improved interagency co operation, better awareness in healthcare and rising prosperity
TJ, If you're going to help zeicke with his homework, then really , he's never going to learn, and what's the point of me asking?
Anyway, I expect everyone else has lost interest in the thread now, which is a pity as I was just about to employ this, as the definitive response to all STW discussions about "serious worries/concerns" from now on:
And it's on Youtube too for those who don't like reading much.
I don't normally post in these type of threads, as it seems futile (and probably is), but this time I feel compelled to do so.
My GF has now been a social worker for about 18 months. She works in Child protection. She has a caseload of about 15 children and doesn't have anywhere near enought time to deal with the cases she has. For example, this week she has been in court for 3 days for one child. Yet she is still expected to write reports and fit visits in for all her other cases into her working week (LAC & CIN statutory visits must continue in a regular manner and acn't be put off to a time when things are quieter). She works a minimum of 12 hours a day; has little or no support from management or colleagues (there appears to be a large amount of bullying by management in her department); and gets paid £22K for the privelege. This is for a masters level qualified graduate.
She is passionate about what she does, but the immense stress and pressure is already getting too much for her. She struggles to sleep as she can't stop worrying about her caseload. She'll have quit within the next 6 months.
I believe there are some serious failings in SS that do need to be addressed, but the ignorant folk on here who are demonising people like her are completely out of order. I couldn't imagine doing one day's work as a SW, let alone committing to a career in such an underpaid, under resourced and undervalued occupation.
It seems that Social Workers are very restricted to how they can approach their clients, they cannot use such words as Homeless to describes someones living situation in case it hurts their feelings, so if thats an example of the ludicrous guidanc esocial workers have to abide by, its no wonder they are getting bad press as it seem all wishy washy IMO.
Your evidence for that bit of stupidity?
they cannot use such words as Homeless to describes someones living situation in case it hurts their feelings
I cannot believe you actually believe that ... I hope you are more critical/sceptical of things you hear in the future
like ?
maybe the courts imprisoned more potential child murders
maybe more potential child murders were sectioned under the mental health act
may be more drug addict's prone to killing there childern overdosed before they could get round to it
3 reasons off the top of my head
zeicke, under what model of legislation would you imprison a potential criminal?
someone locked up for fighting or any other offence,had they still been with their family may or may not have killed one of their children
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