I'm undecided. Hearing that George Galloway is fighting for the union
Probbaly becasue if there was independance we'd only have english MP's, so he'd be out of a job 
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So, Scottish Independence then. Not really wanted by Scots.
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Doesn't Galloway represent an English constituency then?
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The thing I don't understand is, why are they bringing the famous Bahamian actor Sean Connery to campaign for them?
Surely that's a Tollcross tan, and he isn't living in tax exile somewhere hot and sunny...
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surroundedbyhills - Member
Devolved local powers to decide on roads, Healthcare and education make sense, but then Defence, national security and fiscal policy..not sure about that.
It sounds like good logic- but then you look at what an excellent state the economy's in, and at what our armed forces have been used for lately...
I think this might turn out to be a key point tbh... Heard Darling talking today about the economic benefits of union but we've heard nothing for years except how the economy is absolutely bollocksed. And I don't think we're seeing much evidence of the UK economy becoming rapidly unbollocksed either. So threatening scotland with economic bollocksing may not be that effective.
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BigButSlimmerBloke - Member
yet you can't stop posting?
As it clearly irks you, it seems a worthwhile exercise
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Exports of Whisky have grown from £2.37bn in 2005 to £3.2bn last year
Will Westminster miss the tax and duty raised?
there are rumours of a "water tax" designed specifically to extract more revenue from the Scotch whisky industry.
I'm not in favor of independence as it seems to be very shortsighted, but I also plan not to be here in the next couple of years.
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i think everyone has missed the most important question ever regards to independence if/when it happens....
who will Scotland send to EUROVISION 2015 !!!!!!!!!!
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Darius?
And we can change the locks while he's away...
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Norway has a population of about 5 million same as Scotland and seems to be doing alright. What exactly are the Scots who support the Union afraid of? Having the safety blanket of UK public spending removed?
As a Scot who's lived in England for the last 25 years I've yet to meet an English person who could give a damn whether Scotland is part of the union. Usual response is "If they want independence then why don't they just get on with it"
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What exactly are the Scots who support the Union afraid of? Having the safety blanket of UK public spending removed?
As a Scot who's lived in England for the last 25 years ............
Maybe they're scared of losing the safety blanket of having England to escape to for 25 years if things aren't working out up there
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Maybe they're scared of losing the safety blanket of having England to escape to for 25 years if things aren't working out up there
Not sure how that would work. Eire has been independent for decades. There are still no passport controls at the border and the Irish come and go for work in the UK as they please. If an independent Scotland and the remainer of the UK were both in the EU then there would be no restrictions on the people of either country working in the other.
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Not sure how that would work
it was a joke, intended to point out to the poster that there are more things that scots depend on england for than public spending subsidy (such as employment opportunity) and his own post highlighted it perfectly.
but seeing as you brought the subject up, i don't think that you can guarantee english membership of the eu indefinitely or that eu employment regs will always remain the same.
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I imagine on a forum like this that most of us that post here are into outdoor pursuits. If I were from England and determined to see the back of Scotland, I may be just a bit less scathing of a country containing the vast bulk of the UK's open countryside, most of the proper mountain biking, great road biking, nearly all of it's winter sports, some of the best water pursuits and the only areas of peaceful wilderness. I understand perhaps this is not everyone here's cup of tea.
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err... athgray why?
It isn't like I can't go skiing and cycling in France despite it no longer being an English possession...
Logic fail...
My personal view. Love Scotland although only lived 6 months there. There is some genuine chippiness both ways England <-> Scotland. I just get a bit tired of the same argument going round and round and round and round and round. I wish the Scots would make their mind up once and for all. Otherwise it will become somewhere that most English people would just like gone... a bit like Northern Ireland
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Stoatsbrother. Are you saying you would rather tuck into a Croque Monsieur and a glass of Chateau Neuf du Pape on a sunny terrace overlooking the piste at Chamonix, over a bacon and black pudding doubler and a can of irn bru in a rain drenched cafe at Glenshee?
Shame on you!
Seriously though, my wife and mother to my two children is from Surrey, my inlaws live there and we have some good times down there. I think that there is more in common than divides us, and I think we can gain more being together. I am a proud Scot, however don't feel the need to be independant to be more Scottish. People down South often don't understand that the government here are considered to be doing a decent'ish job, but I worry that the yes camp are being carried away by the vigour of Alex salmond more than anything else. We will have to wait and see.Posted 1 year ago # -
Are you saying you would rather tuck into a Croque Monsieur and a glass of Chateau Neuf du Pape on a sunny terrace overlooking the piste at Chamonix, over a
bacon and black pudding doubler and a can of irn brudeep fried Chewit in a rain drenched cafe at Glenshee?Oh, it's a tough choice....!
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I was against it at first. However, the longer I live here and the more I hear from (particularly) Mr Salmond and local people, the more I agree with independance.
I spent many years growing up and living in north west England, where Westminster based politicians and the south east focus that they had was obvious.
Scotland is even more separated - geographically, socially, economically and in thinking and outlook.
I do think there is a strong argument for 'giving it a go' on our own.(I am shocked I hold this position by the way, I did not a few months ago...)
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Yup, supporting independence crept up on me too. One big factor is that we have a government we voted for (unlike Westminster), a government generally agreed to be doing not a bad job (unlike Westminster), and a government that is actually positive about things instead of continually spreading doom (unlike Westminster). But it's not just about the current government in either Holyrood or Westminster, it's the feeling that we should be big enough to look after ourselves, for good or bad.
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Oh dear god I hate these threads, they're like car crashes, we know how it's going to go but we're compelled to get involved.
Most Scots couldn't care less about actual independence we like getting on with our lives as they are at the moment (and no doubt will get on with them if the split came). You can pick a source and figure out whether we'll be Norway or Greece but no-one here has the info and those that might have appear to not be able to count to 5.
There is some Anti-English sentiment, but then there is Anti-Scot south of the border. I got slagged for being from Edinburgh last weekend even though I was back in the town i grew up in.
Quit it with the deep fried food references I only know of one place that does deep fried mars bars and that's for the tourists.
To those who want to come and enjoy the outdoors then you're welcome and even the keyboard warriors can bring their iPads but beware the sun it might burn your peely wally skin (certainly has lightened our pale blue colour to almost pink).
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If Scotland does get independence how would they feel if the good people of Orkney decided they wanted to go it alone?
I dont think the rugby team will get any better whatever happens
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I'm all for independence after finding out that the social security cost for Scotland far outweighs any oil/gas revenue.
Bye.
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yossairian -- My wife lived in Scotland for most of her teenage years and was repeatedly beaten up at school for being english,
Without knowing the exact details can I suggest she was not targeted because she was english, she was targeted because she was different. She could have been from Shetland, Stornoway or 'a posh area 20 miles away' and a different accent, not having been part of the 'gang' for the first half of school or any other reason might be enough to "justify" an attack. I am in no way condoning such behaviour - but in my experience there is no deep seated resentment against the English, especially not against English people actually living in Scotland.
Bear in mind that depending on the school any of the following would have been considered acceptable reasons for bullying amongst peers 20+ years ago (and may still be today):
- you don't support the same football team
- you are smarter than the average kids at that school
- you are dumber than the average kids at that school
- you wear a blazer or tie to a school where it is not compulsory
- your school uniform is not as smart as other kids (or 2nd hand)Neil
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If Scotland does get independence how would they feel if the good people of Orkney decided they wanted to go it alone?
I doubt they'd care too much about Orkney, but the Shetlands would be another matter. Obviously this is where we get a famous
scotsman'senglishman's view that he supports self-determination of any peoples... Posted 1 year ago # -
What are we afraid of? I wouldn't trust the folk in Holyrood with my piggy bank, never mind a country.
Let's not forget this little lesson from the past en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme
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I'm all for independence after finding out that the social security cost for Scotland far outweighs any oil/gas revenue.
Bye.
Tim Harford looked at this on More or Less a little while ago and that's just not true.
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Let's not forget this little lesson from the past en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme
Hardly that relevant is it, really?
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I make no judgement on the leanings of this website, just a google
http://www.scotlandoffice.gov.uk/scotlandoffice/16281.htmlPosted 1 year ago # -
am in no way condoning such behaviour - but in my experience there is no deep seated resentment against the English, especially not against English people actually living in Scotland.
Totally agree, certainly now. I've lived here for ~10% of my life now and I find it just as friendly as England was to me. Sure there's gentle ribbing about being a foreigner but I've only once or twice had what I'd consider off-kilter comments and they were from people who I'd have expected to pick up on anything different about me and use it anyway (morons) not specifically my origins. Most of the locals I've met in my time here have been fascinated to find out where I'm from and strangely loads of them have lived or worked near where I used to at some point in their lives. Even my slightly dodgy next door neighbours have no issues with us
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it was a joke, intended to point out to the poster that there are more things that scots depend on england for than public spending subsidy (such as employment opportunity) and his own post highlighted it perfectly
I'm sure we'll be able to work in England after Independence just like we can work in any other EU country. Maybe post independance and having to stand on its own feet Scotland might rediscover the enterprise and entreprenurial flair it seems to have lost over the last century then there might be less reason to be an economic migrant.
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zokes - Member
BigButSlimmerBloke - Member
yet you can't stop posting?
As it clearly irks you, it seems a worthwhile exercise
As it hasn't it's clearly a waste of time, but then if mindlessly posting drivel on a thread you have no interest in or knowledge of just in the vain hope of irritating someone you've never is what passes for entertainment, I guess you're easily pleased, if a bit sad. Still, no point in wasting pity on simpletons, give you a bucket and I'm sure you'll be happy.As for this
Quit it with the deep fried food references I only know of one place that does deep fried mars bars and that's for the tourists
I don't know of anywhere that does deep fried mars bars, but if that's what anyone thinks is going to win an argument about independence, let them get on with it - other people's ignorance isn't something I get too worked up about. Although |I do love that these "Scotland will never go it alone" invariably start form the point of blind ignorance and just take a downward spiral from there.
I mean reallyLet's not forget this little lesson from the past en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme
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As it hasn't it's clearly a waste of time, but then if mindlessly posting drivel on a thread you have no interest in or knowledge of just in the vain hope of irritating someone you've never is what passes for entertainment, I guess you're easily pleased, if a bit sad. Still, no point in wasting pity on simpletons, give you a bucket and I'm sure you'll be happy.
You wrote all that just to prove that you're not irked?
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Never experiencd anti English/British sentiment in Scotland - some good natured piss taking and some interesting debates about independance, but nothing serious.
And no, as an Englishman I don't want an independant Scotland - we need all the anti Tory voters we can get.
No, we need to try and make the north of England part of Scotland when they go independent.
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No, we need to try and make the north of England part of Scotland when they go independent.
Why don't you just move?Posted 1 year ago # -
http://www.scotlandoffice.gov.uk/scotlandoffice/16281.html
.....and hello Greece of the North
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Why don't you just move?
Definitely thinking about it, but I quite like it here, and I don't think the government in London is ever going to be representative of/give a shit about the north of England, which I think is wrong.
This is the radio show I was on about - http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/b013gd28
They seem to conclude that if there is a subsidy to Scotland it's a very small one, and not enough to worry about.
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