finbar – Member

I wonder how hard it’d be to grow your own tobacco? It’s not that hard to do the jazz kind after all

No hard to grow but the electricity bill might be very high so need to find out natural lighting.

Fags (ololol) could be officially £50 a pack, it wouldn’t make any difference. Those who want to smoke will smoke.

Nonsense.

http://bmb.oxfordjournals.org/content/52/1/132.full.pdf and a zillion other studies.

Wrong, that study doesn’t take into account the black market. Suggest you read up on prohibition in America

that study doesn’t take into account the black market.

Yes, it does. It looks at consumption, regardless of where the tobacco was sourced. 🙄

It’s when it becomes a habit and you *have* to do it that I just think, “hmm.”

That’s the difference between fags and other recreational drugs. They’re more addictive – physiologically speaking anyway.

And the parallels with prohibition are interesting but somewhat limited. Rather difficult to grow your own in this country, less of a high than heroin, less central to ‘a good time’ than alcohol and so on. Each drug’s context is unique I reckon.

No it doesn’t, as black market tobacco usage can’t be accurately accounted for, due to lack of reliable sales data. The study looks at smokers’ responses to official retail prices 🙄

Go to any pub and you’ll see lots of people (even from the dreadful lower classes) puffing away merrily on contraband fags – official prices don’t mean anything when the black market supply is propping up demand.

That’s the difference between fags and other recreational drugs. They’re more addictive – physiologically speaking anyway.

Yeah.

For all the arguments of people ‘enjoying’ a cigarette, the people I see standing in the pissing rain in the car park at work don’t look like they’re enjoying it much. If you told someone they had a medical condition where they had to go and stand outside for five minutes every hour in all weathers, they’d be mortified.

No it doesn’t, as black market tobacco usage can’t be accurately accounted for, due to lack of reliable sales data. The study looks at smokers’ responses to official retail prices

Yes, it does. It aggregates data on consumption, not production or sales, which is how e.g. it is able to track consumption within subgroups of the population. 🙄 🙄

PS raise in tobacco duty also raises the price of smuggled/counterfeit tobacco, what with smugglers being profit maximisers in a split competitive market, and that reduces consumption again.

It measures consumption in relation to tobacco sold at official retail prices not the whole market. We’re not going to agree on this so let’s agree to disagree 😉

It measures consumption in relation to tobacco sold at official retail prices not the whole market.

Yes, exactly! When the price of tobacco was jacked up through duty, it reduced consumption of tobacco. You know, in other words, the exact opposite of:

Fags (ololol) could be officially £50 a pack, it wouldn’t make any difference.

Like someone said, the price of alcohol aint that far off? People complain about a gallon of petrol, but look at the price of alcohol, yet millions of muppets around the country try and ram as much of it down their throat each weekend until they nearly die (or some do in some sad cases) 🙁