The thing is, the smokers brought it on themselves. Pre-ban, if you complained about the smoke, smokers would laugh and say "It's a free country, if you don't like it, go away!". After all, people willing to systematically poison themselves can hardly be expected to be sympathetic to collateral damage. I'm not sure why declining to share in their self destructive impulses is characterised as "whining", but their selfish protests are not ?
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Smokers and public places in summer
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At least cars are useful whilest polluting.
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Drac - I suspect the smoking ban in public places has reduced that figure a lot. That article was from early 2005. It would be interesting to see how that's changed.
Yup it is and it would be.
It was easy to possibly help reduce that figure, cars it's taking longer but I bet it's less than it use to be thanks to various innervations.
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The most intolerant hyprocritical bunch of people i have EVER come across are the born again non smoker.
Are you capable of elucidating? How exactly are they hypocritical? Do they complain about people smoking in public places while smoking in public places themselves? Perhaps these people you speak of set small, toxic fires around you and assume that you're happy to breathe the fumes?
F*cking hateful bunch of tossers.
Hypocrite?
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so now we have some stats what is the relationship between smoking and not being able to understand simple written instructions such as:
"Please do not smoke in this doorway"
"Littering £75 fine"Posted 2 years ago # -
so now we have some stats what is the relationship between smoking and not being able to understand simple written instructions such as:
Smoker's are arrogant **** who cry "It's my civil rights"?
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Smoker's are arrogant ****
aren't they pathetic self-justifying victims of their vicious commercially exploited addiction ?
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aren't they pathetic self-justifying victims of their vicious commercially exploited addiction ?
Thats quite harsh but sadly true.
I'm an ex-smoker and its not until after I quit that I woke up one morning (without the fog of rebellion) and realised how tobacco companies manipulate and tag onto our desire for freedom from being told whats good for us.
Until I realised I had one left and the shop were closed for the evening. Then I realised I was addicted.Posted 2 years ago # -
Thats quite harsh but sadly true.
it wasn't meant to be harsh, merely accurate
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F*cking hateful bunch of tossers.
Hypocrite?
No i am hateful also.
Its their holier than thou attitude that irritates me. The way they witter on about how disgusting it is, yet 6 weeks ago they were outside with me puffing away.
And yes i agree that people smoking near children (theirs or others) should be killed. The number of mums i see puffing away whilst pushing the pram is ridiculous!Posted 2 years ago # -
The way they witter on about how disgusting it is, yet 6 weeks ago they were outside with me puffing away.
that's not hypocrisy, that's realisation! It was always fatuous and disgusting, but it took time for them to believe it.
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Probably, but theres no need turn the rest of us into social lepers.
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but theres no need turn the rest of us into social lepers.
it's only temporary - when you're not smoking you're admitted to full social intercourse
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You did say Social intercourse?
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All cigarette packets should be sold with a miniature wind sock.
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You did say Social intercourse?
anything else is a bit much to expect until the smell goes...
All cigarette packets should be sold with a miniature wind sock.
you could use a condom and a swizzle stick
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when you stop driving a car i will consider more closely the pollution caused by my smoking, deal?
If you want to smoke next to me, I'll take up my right (free country and all that) to sit in my car revving its nuts off with the exhaust pipe pointed at you.Posted 2 years ago # -
I was quite happy for my mother to elighten me to the joys of smoking. She seemed to be in all sorts of excruciating pain as she told me it was her greatest pleasure in life just before she died.
Weird
Plum
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sorry to hear that Lorne
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Oh to live in a perfect world!
I could sit in a pub garden and have to listen to someone swearing, kids screaming/crying, someone whose body odour permeates the planet, plonkers revving their silly cars in the pub car park. Heaven forbid, there could even be sweaty mountain bikers doing trackstands in the garden and, yes, you know who you are!!
Tolerance and peace man.
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if pubs are so vile, why does anyone go ?
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Plum, i share your pain, my dad 12 years ago last week. He was on 40 a day and still missed them after he gave up, 2 years before he died from lung cancer.
Thats why i stopped as i really want to grow old and watch my son find his way in the world.Posted 2 years ago # -
On a serious note, I would not want to eat in close proximity to smokers.
Ex smoker here. After 20 years I quit. I try hard not to sit on a high horse.
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well, actually, heroin is probably more benign than smoking, apart from the exigencies imposed by making it illegal!
I think you need to look into the medium and long term damage done by heroin before you start believing that statement...
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I think you need to look into the medium and long term damage done by heroin before you start believing that statement...
aren't there doctors who have been addicted for their entire careers ? But I'm not arguing for the benefits of heroin - all drugs are pointless, though I'll admit to an affection for caffeine
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Smoker's are arrogant **** who cry "It's my civil rights"?
You know what,out of all the posts on this thread, Drac has me the most disappointed.
Sad day when an admired regular becomes an anti-hero Posted 2 years ago # -
he is not claiming it is helathy but smoking related disease kills circa 20% of population and is it 1 in 3 or 2 in 3 of users.
Long term addiction to heroin, of sufficient quality/purity, would be bad for your health but would not reach these levels. Alcohl is pretty bad as well.Posted 2 years ago # -
It's a shame many pubs don't see a need to put smokers in one section of the garden and non-smokers in the remainder of the beer garden. And why do they feel the need to hang about the door way? Even people inside can't escape them when they loiter with their vile drugs.
I've been to the pub maybe 3 times since the ban and each time I drank up and left such was the stench from the half-wits & their "need" to do their drugs.
Prior to the ban we used to visit the pub garden for a drink maybe 10-15 times a year, now it's down to once - at most.Thankfully, it's becoming more & more socially unacceptable to do tobacco, and the last I'd heard was that the cost to the NHS was actually out by a factor of 5, so the idea that the 1/2wits pay for the hospitals is somewhat flawed.
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Perhaps we should make smokers and overweight people pay more for the nhs? Oh and whie were at it, anyone who has alcohol in their system has to pay extra to be seen in a and e.
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bigyinn - Member
Perhaps we should make smokers and overweight people pay more for the nhs? Oh and whie were at it, anyone who has alcohol in their system has to pay extra to be seen in a and e.And next time you come of your bike you should pay to have your head stitched up if you weren't wearing a helmet. And if you break your ankle playing badminton, you should pay for the treatment if you weren't wearing a brace. If you are in a car crash, you should pay if you didn't have an NCAP 4* or higher car...
And so it goes on...
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Perhaps we should make smokers and overweight people pay more for the nhs?
I suspect you're playing Devil's Advocate here, but simply no - the principle of free treatment for all regardless of their circumstances is to valuable to lose.
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It's a shame many pubs don't see a need to put smokers in one section of the garden and non-smokers in the remainder of the beer garden
Smokers are their best customers generally - why would they voluntarily impose more restrictions on them?
They'd allow them back inside if they could
Part-time beer garden uses are small changePosted 2 years ago # -
Ex smoker here. After 20 years I quit. I try hard not to sit on a high horse.
Same here and I hate the term 'nazi ex-smoker'
Only when you quit for good do you wake up/realise.
Yes alcohol is bad so moderate your intake. Smoking can't be moderated though can it? You could smoke a handful of cigs a day and still die from a long, agonising and drawn out decline. Imagine spending your last twenty years wheezing/out of breath or bed-bound for most of the day.
I know someone who smoked most of his life and only quit 10yrs ago- hes 65 and spends most of the day laying in bed (not out of choice). What sort of existence is that?
The alcohol/cig debate is rank. You can drink moderately.
I'm banging on abit now but look at where they put the cig-display allover the wall behind the shop keeper with the sweet display infront....guess who the cig companies are trying to attract to replace the dead ex-customers?
Wake up- smokers are over-exploited.
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Smoker should be shot in the face with a big gun (maybe a bit aggressive but i am sure i will get over it)
I work in a hospital and every day i see d**kheads wheeling there drips and being pushed in a wheel chair because of smoking related issues. I used to know a doctor who would not treat any one who smoked.
so no I think i should be baned, there are more people die of smoking related illness the any class A drug.
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