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Self defence
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HansRey, if you are close to Swinley, Herne Bay, or Eltham, get to a Warriors Gym and try Muay Thai, you will be hooked after the first session.
If you do, make sure you let us know how you got on.
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I always remember at school getting a briefing on self defence ( I think because we were a public school so there were always a few class war ****s who fancied a go when they saw us out and about) and being told that you could put your keys between your fingers and use them as a knuckle duster...
I'm still shocked that that was suggested even 20 years later...
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So am I, you would probably break your fingers doing that.
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Probably...
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disarm an attacker if knives were used
They have two knives and you are unarmed then run away FFS - you are years away from seriously taking on someone with knifes. I know the theroy/some blocks but I am running
I don't want to cause serious harm to anyone, but I want to prevent or delay harm to myself.
Ah right you are planning on using your conditioning to wear them down as they tire out trying to hit you then just stop , apologise and let you go home?
Good luck 
You cannot defend yourself without hitting someone else and as Bruce says 15:1 without lots of violence.Posted 6 months ago # -
Now, I'm not sure which of judo, karate, muay thai, etc are best for this.
As above - I would and did go for Krav Maga because it's specifically focused on this sort of situation.
I'd be tempted to throw some Muay Thai in so you get more experience of 'real' combat. Obviously you won't be practising the eye gouging or kicks to the groin you'll find in Krav, but will get a 'feel' for combat.
Interestingly our instructor recommended not to go for the kick-in-the-nuts approach first, but kick shins, punch the bit between the nose and the upper lip, gouge the eyes, bite their hand if grabbed - it's actually surprisingly easy for guys to protect their crotch
In Krav a kick to the groin is generally taught as a pre-emptive strike with someone standing directly in front of you.
When practising this as the recipient of the kick, I have to remember to stand 'normally' - as from the boxing I've done I'd traditionally take a more side-on stance in any kind of confrontation, which of course leaves you a fair bit better protected against such nastiness :).Posted 6 months ago # -
Now, I'm not sure which of judo, karate, muay thai, etc are best for this.
Its almost inevitable that this will start another argument but a decent MMA club is your best option because they will start you from scratch with a range of practical techniques for both striking and grappling and fighting on the ground. The last place you want to end up is on the ground so it is very valuable to learn how to avoid ending up there, and how to react if you do.
It can be difficult to find a decent club and if you find somewhere you like that does muay-thai, krav maga of BJJ then all of them are good sports and help with self-defence.
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I'd just take up running.
If someone attacked me in the street I would probably have to assume that they are the type of person who gets involved in lots of fights so has a lot more experience in a fight then me. I'd also assume they are criminally minded in that they won't be fighting fair and won't be thinking of the consequences of their actions and how the law might view them. As they came out with the intent of fighting then chances are they have a weapon or backup. So they have the element of suprise, experience and are better armed... I'd leg it every time.
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Just learn Judo - as it is a defensive sport the use of it won't be held against you by anyone, whereas something like boxing or karate could be as these are primarily offensive sports.
You will be able to use the skills of judo into later like, whereas you are unlikely to maintain your karate fitness and flexibility into old age.
Plus the the fall training in Judo will be useful.
A self defence course might also be useful - learning a few disabling manouvres before legging it - for example a punch in the adams apple is a major shock to the system.
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Going off topic... What if you're with someone who can't run, Well can't run fast be it wife or children?
just a thought!Posted 6 months ago # -
And what if the other guys are on a conveyor belt?
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As already mentioned in the thread - 15 to 1 forget it, run as fast as the wind will carry you. I've not trained in martial arts but used to do a lot of boxing whic if nothing else teaches you to take a punch without being shocked by it. I've been in a couple of "situations" where I have used self defence and they've never ended well. The first was when I thought I was big enough to handle 3 youths - I wasn't. The second was when I was set upon by 2 guys, who I managed to get the better off and gave them something to think about - they did, and 2 weeks later found me with 2 more of their mates.
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Going off topic... What if you're with someone who can't run, Well can't run fast be it wife or children?
Looks like you're in the clear in that situation.
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Anyway, there's only one form of defence that will work against 15 people.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHrA-eBLbA4Posted 6 months ago # -
I don't know whether you're allowed to carry mace sprays or stuff like that in Finland, but this UK-based website sells personal alarms and things that emit gas and incapacitating sprays into people's faces. I also liked the sound of the alarm that emits a really ear-piercing sound, that would surely have a disabling effect on any would-be attackers, or give you time, armed with mace to get away!!
http://www.c-p-p.co.uk/_personal_alarms/asp/CtgID/1006/af/page.htm
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Try and find some sort of basic breakaway training that includes rescue techniques (rib rubs etc) or whatever the local equivalent is, and as said before learn to spot the signs and get the hell out of dodge as soon as you can.
Krav Maga would be my choice if i was going to follow a structured path though. Also worth looking at stuff by people like Geoff Thompson for ideas as well.
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Self defence? Imagine you really, really hurt one of them. How do think the rest of them are gonna react?
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Depends. They may be behind you waving their hands around waiting for their turn as you turn each one over/deliver killer kick.
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They are fun, will get you fit, make you mentally and physically tougher and have lots of techniques you can carry over into street brawling.
It's not just about techniques though. Your mentality, the other guys mentality, weapons, numbers and sheer bloody luck all factor in just as muchThis. I used to be competitive at national level for Judo, at an age when the occasional random small town violence was a risk for me. It helped on a couple of occasions, and I always made sure any trouble ended up on the floor as soon aspossible, where I stood a chance of incapacitating. On every occasion, I ran first. I don't have the mentality to really go through with an act I know will cause lasting harm.
Unfortunately there are plenty of people out there who are stupid enough to do it, and may even be armed for the purpose. Don't become a statistic.
If you are seriously, genuinely protecting others like your family and not just posturing, well, I guess anything goes. Just hope I'm never in such a situation.
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Can't say I've read all of the posts, but I agree with others 15v1 is silly odds. One thing martial arts teach you is awareness. Hopefully you will pick up if you are in that type of situation again it may get nasty and take relevant action (escape...)
I have trained for many years (at national & international level too) and have been lucky enough to have very very few street encounters - and those I have had would have been avoidable looking back.
I was jumped a couple of months ago when walking home, alone, at 3am down the high street by a group of teenagers. I'd been drinking so wasn't thinking (or walking) straight so probably looked like an easy target. When 4 of them caming running over I made the conscious decision not to run (as I was likely not to get far). Interestingly the first 2 did exactly what you are taught when you practise 2 v 1 or 3 v 1 - they split up and try to get behind you.
If you are going to stand your ground you need to do as others have suggested, nail the one that looks like the leader hard. This is exactly what I did, and the second pair didn't join in as I expected but instead picked up their mate, apologised and carried him off, leaving one guy shouting at me who eventually turned tail as it was 1 v 1.
When I got home the wife asked me what would have happened if they had been carrying knives....reality of the situation is when I left the club on my own I should have just got a taxi home. It was entirely avoidable.
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In response to the original post something like Ju-Jitsu will help you improve your confidence, learning about actual hand to hand combat, blocks, punches, kicks although in a collection of 'acceptible' moves as like any sport it has rules.
Just to re-itterate that you did the right thing, as getting away from the group is clearly THE best decision you made all night
One of the best trained people I used to train with had been mugged and given his wallet over to a guy and he never regretted that decision, he was capable of defending himself, but had no idea where it would end so took the sensible option.
Ju-Jitsu is fun, healthy and you usually meet decent people doing it too.
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Run away as fast as you can. If you have children or a lady with you, scream for help and run slower.
If none of that is possible, you could try acting the part: -
"who the #### are you ya wee #%#%# do you know who I am? Come here while I #%#%#% batter the #%#% out of you" - delivered with conviction that stands as much chance of success as a few self defence classes.Then run
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join a running club.
If you take up any martial art you will soon learn that
until you are about 5th dan it's all just for fun.Out of the choices though JuJitsu is my favourite,
but there are also good w/e self defence courses that can teach you how to attempt to control a situation, a few very basic/simple moves & how to run.Posted 6 months ago # -
wing tsun here..
for 4 years and i would quite happily use it if needed to really put someone down.
was with my brother on a train once and needed a quick and swift way to solve the dispute.
he tried stealing my trainers of all things and i refused so he then went to strangle me whilst i was sitting and he was standing in front with 2 of his friends in front of my brother.
i broke his wrist pretty quick and a couple of his fingers on the other hand and rolled his ankle. we then ran off the train after and still got chased by the other 2 for about 3 km lol ...
it wont put all the others off even if you give 1 a gooden lol so just stick to running but keep your trainers
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I did enjoy Wing Chun, thing they are practically the same?
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yes they are,
i changed cos my sifu was very very good, i now joined my local wing tsun here in innsbruck which i found whilst living here so its all back to training.
my old club was 4 nights a week, mon-thurs and fri was escrima if you wanted but was like 70 a month. well worth it.
because we trained so much it became very much second nature when someone grabbed your shoulder or so you felt the pressure and moved your body in a split second. i used to use work colleagues as training when they went to tap me on the back or so etc.... loved it
lol
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My brother who lived in some pretty rough parts of the world always suggested when running away wasnt an option and you were being set on by a group, just grab one and batter the living **** out of him and hope this makes the others back off. As far as technique went it consisted mostly of just grab one and go wild.
I have always managed to use the running away option to great effect.
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Used to do traditional jiu jitsu for three years but moved onto Brazilian jiu jitsu 2-3 years ago and still doing it now. If all you wanted to learn was self defence then between the two IMO traditional would be better. However if it was a one to one situation and there was no other way bar fighting I would say my bjj training would certainly help me out. But as others have said its better to not get into that situation in the first place if you can.
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I did enjoy Wing Chun, thing they are practically the same?I did enjoy thinging, think they are practically the same?
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15 to one is pointless. The stuff you see in the movies is just that - movies.
Diffuse and run is always the best policy.
If you really must take up something in order that you can stand up to the big boys, make sure you choose wisely. A great many of the 'my martial art is best' comments above are based on dealing with at best two opponents and a time. Ground fighting when there's more than one is going to get you kicked shitless, even if you're the best ground fighter in the world. Sparring stlye standoffs from the likes of Muay Thai, Kung fu, Karate et al, will just give them time to out-maneuver you.
Prpbably the best is going to be Krav Maga, which deals with less than ideal situations and a pragmatic and realistic way. Its far more than just Israeli streetfighting, it focuses on situational awareness too.
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Sparring stlye standoffs from the likes of Muay Thai, Kung fu, Karate et al, will just give them time to out-maneuver you.
An expert in all three are you?
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I can vouch for MMA training after being tricked into going to a session recently I cam away feeling very sore bruised and feeling like I had a sore throat from the choke holds. I reckon after regular training with those guys I wouldn't feel like running away from any bother. THe training focuses on strength and skill that keeps you really fit in a completely different way to cycling. The down side for me on this occasion was that you have to do it in bare feet, and I got lots of small cuts on both feet, one of which got infected and I ended up on antibiotics.
looking forward to going back for more punishment as I enjoyed the boxing session using the pads and groundwork.
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I'm not an expert in any of them, but I've cross sparred with all three disciplines and a few others. Fact is, in a one on one, controlled environment, playing by nice rules, any skilled practitioner stands a fair chance of looking after themselves.
Fact is, outside of the club training session or competition, that set of factors don't exist, and you'll be conditioned to some degree to expect them to be in place. Therein lies your downfall.
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This thread is contains lots of outrageous bullshit from people who have no idea what they are talking about.
I love how martial arts training discussions always result in: I did 2 - 3 years of this... 2 - 3 years of that.
Bullshit. You know how long you trained for!
It usually all translates to something like 'I did Judo as a kid for a few weeks, then tried Karate and now I have heard of Muay Thai because I watched Ong Bak a few times'.
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