Edinburgh do have the rather oddly named Will Helu in the backs. I cannot read his name without thinking of Leslie Phillips
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Will Helu - big PI centre? Made some very hard yards tonight if its thr chap I'm thinking of.
Thats him. Good player.
This year Edinburgh should be able to mount a serious challenge in the pro 12. We how have not one but two decent 10s. Last year we played the whole season without one. I hope Sam Hidalgo-Clyne can rediscover his form at 9. Weir has moved from Glasgow where he was 2nd choice behind Russell and has hardly had any gametime. another one who needs to rediscover form. 3 years ago he looked great, injured then too much sitting on the bench has meant he has not progressed as he should. Couple of good young uns to watch. Kinghorn at fullback ( 19 yr old), Jamie Ritchie a 99 kilo back row who is only 20 and Hamish Watson who I hope really kicks on this year - a fearless and fast back row but a bit lightweight.
Solomans needs to rotate a bit more tho - he worked the front row into the ground and didn't give the youngsters much gametime
Best bit about tonight?
Queuing at the bar with an Edinburgh fan & his young son, wee chap yelling 'daddy juice' every time a pint was pulled - I love rugby!
Those Aussies eh!!!
Great opening try from NZ vs Aus.
The virtues of fixing the man and giving the pass.....
The try that was disallowed for offside was another fantastic example of 1-15 drawing a man and giving a pass, simple stuff done well, amazing. Combined with Barretts pass injections from 10 the are wonderful to watch.
Aus 3 NZ what is it 32 now at half time.
Some nasty injuries though which I dont like to see.
My god, are the Wallabies really as bad as the ABs are making them look?
Some of the selections for the Australian team are beyond my comprehension. Clearly they needed a shake-up after the England tour, and yet the only difference seems to be Genia back in at scrum half?? And he is bottling tackles!
Scarily good NZ team anyway.
32-3 at HT!
Masterclass from the ABs notwithstanding the Aussies losing three inside centres. Beauden Barrett certainly worth his starting place.
Looks like whatever the Wallabies learned from bugging the AB's meeting hasn't helped them much.
the only difference seems to be Genia back in at scrum half?
Well Pocock missed the 2nd/3rd tests and he's back - along with Giteau and Ashley-Cooper. Definitely a stronger lineup and closer to the RWC final side.
Beauden Barrett certainly worth his starting place.
That was never in doubt! Makes things happen; brilliant player, one of the most exciting 10s I've ever seen
Giteau and Ashley-Cooper? Combined age? Obviously by 'shake-up' I meant something NEW!
AA, forget bugging, buggered more like!!
W looking very ragged and simple errors. Tough times for our favourite antipodeans
Second half wasnt as good. Wanted to see them put 50 on the Aussies!
Well missed this one... Going to be bad in welly next week, back to the same Aussie pub..
If Barrett sorts his kicking then that is the best team in the worl
Care to give a reasoned explaination of who could be better than them even if BB kicks crap?
3 seems to be their main weakness.
Reasoned? If they get unstuck missing 4 kicks will cost them the game. Having a 90% penalty/conversion kicker helps. I'll wait till they play England for full judgement the Australians were bad tonight.
BB didnt miss any easy ones did he. So you think England could be better?
Dave Rennie to Glasgow, how on earth did the SRU pull that one off?
Puts England's narrow wins into perspective.
French domestic season starts today. Some tasty looking early games Sep 3 / Game 3 and 10 / Game 4. Opening games in Paris tickets for €10 or €5 for students athough everyone still on holiday !
They don't look quite as piss poor as when they lost to the lions, but yeah, aus don't look great.
duckman - I suspect he considers it a good chance to improve his CV. Win the pro 12 with Glasgow - not unlikely and he will look good. Do well in europe ( not this year but next) and again - good on the CV.
Also a team with a nice ethos and a good package apart from salery
Teej, reports are that it was planned and when Hansen re-signed,they moved for Rennie. Cotter is not having his contract renewed!
I am disappointed about Cotter. Bit of a gamble to go with Toonie. the gossip I have heard tho is that cotter was going to go anyway to a top english / French club and Toonie was listening to offers as well - so this move was a pre-emptive one to keep Toonie in Scotland.
We shall see if the Toonie move is a good one but Rennie for Glasgow seems like a universally acclaimed move
I was surprised Scotland got a coach as good as Cotter in the first place. Scotland don't have a big enough pool of quality players to consistently trouble the top teams - nothwithstanding several good results in isolation - and this must limit the attraction for top class coaches. Hence some of the duffers they've had.
Mind you, I'm disappointed Cotter is going because SCotland have been better under him.
Coaches must take jobs to further their CVs and Cotter and Rennie have certainly done this. The Chiefs played fabulous rugby under Rennie but the basic skills of that squad exceed those of any side in the 6N/NH.
BTW - welcome back TJ
namaste - the duffers have mainly been because of the useless people in chanre of the appointments. But yes the scotland coach will never be a top job. So we get the choice of the second rate ( Johnson) or an up and coming coach wanting to make their CV better. Cotter was a surprise coup for us being neither.
So apparently Gatland will be announced as Lions coach soon. Thoughts?
I reckon he'll do OK and is about the best available. Its shit news for Wales though.
So seeing as how no one has asked I thought I'd have a stab at a lions 15
1 Gypsy hater/That Tongan with the welsh accent who plays for England.
2 Kiwi biter
3 WP Nel
5 A N Other Englander
6 The England captain from when they were shit
7 Brand Hask
8 Not Toby
10 G Henson
12 Manu Samoa Tuilagi
15 Loopy Liam
So thats 5 Welsh, 5/6 English, 2/3 Tongans, 1 Kiwi and a Saffa.
Edit hang on its 1/2 Tongans and 1 Samoan!! Clue is in his name
No irish or scottish cause they are crap
Jonny Gray AKA ickle Jonny would be a good shout for 2nd row. He has now gone two complete seasons with only missing two tackles and averages over 10 a game. Fantastic Engine. Gets overlooked because neither Glasgow nor Scotland use him as a main lineout jumper but he is one of Scotlands few world class players
The other one who should go is Stuart Hogg AKA Diddier Hoggba. Form attacking FB of the home nations
If you are struggling for centres then Bennett AKA the messiah or Duncan Taylor wouldn't let anyone down
However quite honestly I don't really want them to go. Too disrupting to the national side.
Gatland as lions coach is daft. He is a limited coach who has limited tactics and plays his favourites at the expense of better players. Lions will be smashed anyway he will just mean that they will not score tries. Playing wales+ with welsh tactics will not work.
My choice would be Baxter
Hogg will be Lions number 15 unless Ha'penny makes the greatest comeback since Lazarus. I also think younger Gray will be there abouts, I also suspect Russell will be on the plane at the very least...Oh and Nel is as Scottish as lots of the Welsh imports, probably more since as the SRU read the rules before capping him...
Gatland as lions coach is daft. He is a limited coach
Yet he has a Lions series win and some grand slams under his belt. Given the lack of availabilty he is the best we can do. As for Baxter, is he the Exeter coach seem decent but inexperienced and unproven at international level.
It'll be a 3 nil anyway regardless of the coach!!
Hogg at 15 is a good shout for a token Scot but joking aside Liam Williams was brilliant v NZ this summer. Liam seems to have sorted his more, how can I put it, competitive side, has Hogg?
Please??!!! When has he played well at international level? I actually would prefer Henson!!!
Hogg the diver? Hogg the cheap shot arsehole? you have got to be kidding.
The way the Kiwis destroyed Australia you could have Jesus Christ coaching the Lions and they are going to go 0 for 3.
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