I grew up listening to the likes of NWA, Public Enemy, Dre et al, Rakim Wu Tang etc.

Love it.

Rap then seemed to get a bit trendy and mainstream.

Just downloaded the new Game album and whilst a bit charty in places is pretty good with an old school feeling.*

Any other good suggestions?

* BTW not a troll 😉

whats the difference between rap and hippyhop? i’ve always wondered 😳

i’m going through a big roots manuva and J5 phase at the moment. have you checked out ‘anti pop consortium’ (definitely not designed for the charts) ?

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSYKtAqg6Ec&feature=relmfu[/video]

GMFer is a better track but I won’t link to that here. 😀

schrickvr6 – 😯

😆 😆 😆

whats the difference between rap and hippyhop? i’ve always wondered

‘Rap is something you do. Hip-Hop is something you live.’ – KRS-One

Sorry, haven’t bought any hip-hop in a while, but any excuse to play this…

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv_d4fWZpB4[/video]

Fans of “Real Rap”? or “Real fans” of rap. Not sur if I’m either..
hmm.
Track this down:

So much better than the official album Goblin.

I like this too:

http://paulwhite.bandcamp.com/album/rapping-with-paul-white

whats the difference between rap and hippyhop? i’ve always wondered

I considered using the KRS One quote to answer this but not sure I fully agree.

Its a difficult question, for me, rap is mostly about chatting **** about nothing in particular which I feel is a large reason why its gone massively down hill recently.

Whereas Hip Hop generally has much deeper content, in terms of the lyrics and the beats behind them. My favourite MC’s are incredible lyricists and have the ability to tell a story like no other.

Have a listen to one of my favourite hip hop albums this year: Oneirology by Cunninlynguists. It’s based around a charactors dreams as they sleep and it is nothing short of spectacular, I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve listened to it in the past 3 months. Contrast that with pretty much any rap album I own which I’ll listen to once in blue moon and that’s it for another 6 months to a year because it mostly sounds the same as the last one.

Dunno why, but after reading this thread I’m having fish for lunch.

Whereas Hip Hop generally has much deeper content

Coming from the “I said a hip hop a hippit..” line, not sure I agree 😉

Not the biggest hip hop fan but check out Foreign Beggars

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb55ep-DrSo[/video]

afrothunder88 I’m not sure you get it. In the early days (and to some extent still is) rap was one part of Hip Hop, the other parts being Deejays, graffiti and breakdance (and maybe beatbox).

Jigmastas
EPMD
J5

Just out of interest, what was the first rap record to chart in the UK?

And the first by a British artist?

Magnificent Seven by The Clash springs to mind, but I’m sure there must have been something before that.

Rap = Whack.

Hip Hop = Dope.

I couldn’t see it at the time but looking back I reckon that NWA were the beginning of the end for raps mainstream credibility. Niggaz, gangsta, guns and bitches. Very, very lazy but commercially lucrative once it was targeted towards the huge American college market desperate to experience a little ghetto danger from the safety of their dorm rooms.

I will still buy new releases from artists that I know are quality but the difficulty for me is getting to hear good new stuff in a market dominated by the dross churned out by a genre that for the most part lost its identity a long time ago.

Anyone recommend a good Rap radio show that hasn’t descended into self parody?

I’d say one of the first British tunes was Newtrament – London bridge is falling down in about 83 I think, my personal favorite UK hip hop tune is Hijack – Doomsday of rap and the MC is a old mate of mine.

There is little in rap that interests me these days as it seems to exclude people like me or is really just bad pop.

I’m sure there are some people still making great hip hop but I haven’t the time to find out who they are and the thing on channel 4 recently was a joke.

the rap v hip hop argument is false.

they are neither different nor the same but just different words used to describe the same thing.

like in the bike world, we like to get elitist and create a little bit of niche for ourselves.

i agree with joolsberger about that documentary. rodney’s a decent fellow (he’s a good mate of a friend of mine), but it was a documentary aimed at people who like black eyed peas rather than old school hip hop heads.

some stuff i like and, therefore would recommend are

kool keith
percee p (both old school bronx mc’s)
people under the stairs – fun time rap
illa funk (grand verbaliser) – philly mc, i like philly hip hop
respek ba – glasgow mc
blade – retired london mc but very good

there’s tons out there

I grew up listening to the likes of Sugarhill Gang, Grandmaster Flash and Tom Tom Club etc

I’ve moved on.

Rap then seemed to get a bit trendy and mainstream. 🙂

Just out of interest, what was the first rap record to chart in the UK?

Sugarhill Gang – Rapper’s Delight?

And the first by a British artist?

malcolm Mclaren – Duck Rock?

Always liked anything by Michael Franti, Disposables were a favourite.

Digable Planets were also superb.

Maybe it isn’t “real rap”, but Kanye and Jay-Z’s new album “Watch the Throne” is amazing.

I couldn’t see it at the time but looking back I reckon that NWA were the beginning of the end for raps mainstream credibility

+1.. there was a very happening hip hop scene in the uk at that time too.. all the ragga mixtapes coming out were our staple diet..

and then ecstacy and the rave scene dropped into the picture and everything went sideways..

radiowise you could do worse than looking here.. here and here

Beastie Boys are my favourite rap group of all time, the samples and the rhymes are untouchable I reckon. Paul’s Boutique is a masterpiece.

Don’t tend to listen to much new stuff, liked a bit of Edan, but not really up on what’s new.

I always love a bit of Furious Five, Young MC, De la Soul and a Tribe Called Quest though. 8)

NWA were the start and end of gangsta rap, they hit a peak with the first record and Eazy-E’s solo album and it’s never progressed from there I reckon.

I couldn’t see it at the time but looking back I reckon that NWA were the beginning of the end for raps mainstream credibility. Niggaz, gangsta, guns and bitches. Very, very lazy but commercially lucrative

You may be right, but I’d still rather listen to Straight Outta Compton than most leftfield hip-hop.

Not their fault they spawned a legion of less talented imitators, bike like Nirvana and grunge (‘cept I never liked them).

I’ve had the fish now.

It’s my favourite dish, you know.

a lot of the mainstream stuff is going/gone the way of prog rock, overinflated unlistenable undanceable guff.
hopefully something new will form and leave all the big artists in the weeds.

2 years old now, but new to me and my favourite hippedy hopedy artist at the mo.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiQ7S38nKog[/video]

As for new stuff:

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4eZvlni3OM[/video]

and

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V04NyI7SK0[/video]

and

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Z1_pDi-fs[/video]

and

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2HeKKNJ7zs[/video]

Beastie Boys are my favourite rap group of all time, the samples and the rhymes are untouchable I reckon. Paul’s Boutique is a masterpiece

The new album is pretty damn good

I’ve had the fish now.

It’s my favourite dish, you know

on my money its just a wish

for me Hijack and Blade were the best UK artists so far. Someone mentioned Percy P, recommend googling the battle track he did with Lord Finesse for a film my mate Paul Nice did. Can’t help with radio shows but the pipomix website has plenty to keep you occupied.

no talk of hiphop can be complete without reference to the late + great j dilla (rip)

honourable mentions also for slum village + doug e fresh

respect !

Can’t be bothered listening to Jay-Z and Kanye’s stuff any more – just too tedious. If he would just put out about half as much stuff as he did and step away from the crappy “featuring” gigs, Lil Wayne would be much better regarded – as he should be.

But recently more than anything I’ve been listening to the Das Racist mixtape, Shut Up Dude.

I couldn’t see it at the time but looking back I reckon that NWA were the beginning of the end for raps mainstream credibility. Niggaz, gangsta, guns and bitches. Very, very lazy but commercially lucrative

Meh. NWA was the beginning of rap as mainstream – it went in at Number 2 in the US when even OG couldn’t crack the top ten. Also, there was a whole lot of cheesy, non-credible hiphop and rap before then – it’s just we’ve forgotten about most of it.

Meh. NWA was the beginning of crap rap as mainstream

FTFY

Much as Eric B and Rakkim were good I dont think either of them – took a test to become an MC and didn’t fail.

This used to be hip hop as opposed to rap I don’t know there’s a distinction anymore.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LQDa98ihZM[/video]

Watch The Throne. Just reading the list of producers should be enough to convince you to listen.

Cyhi is putting out a lot of mixtapes, worth a look. Signed to Kanye’s label now too, as is Pusha T, also well worth a listen.

Getting into The Cool Kids at the moment. Wu Tang are still putting out good music (GFK’s Apollo Kids album last year was brilliant).

OFWGKTA, some of it. Not a huge Tyler fan but Hodgy Beats is quality.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGh_1tDBo0k[/video]

At some point this year DOOMSTARKS (MF DOOM and Ghostface Killah) album should be coming out, which will be quality.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVGI6mhfJyA[/video]

Paul’s Boutique is a masterpiece

True dat!

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excellence boys are excellent. It made me laugh when Mr M&M became big and everyone was on about a white rapper, and threatening to ban him from the uk. The difference is the beastie boys don’t take them-self too seriously.

Just out of interest, what was the first rap record to chart in the UK?

And the first by a British artist?

Magnificent Seven by The Clash springs to mind, but I’m sure there must have been something before that.

Sugarhill Gang – Rapper’s Delight?

How about Blondie – Rapture?

A personal favourite tune of mine.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjNTu8jdukA[/video]

as others have said Dr Octogan / Kool Keith.

Can we also have honourable mentions for Tone-Loc and Cool J?

KRS-1/Boogie Down productions

Markie- that is a work of art.